No More Hyper In Frost

Levantica - Raging Tide wrote: »

BH gives you 0.01% exp at reward and that orb does not give you anything. By removing FC, you just made the game hard for low levels not for us 100+ people cuz I really have no reason to make far then 101 lvl. I am happy at 100-101 max. But what about new people? There are so so little people low levels on the game anyway and now they cant lvl up anymore and that means they will quit the game and this game from today has become a game for 100+ players only.

Well as someone who has a char at like 96 and others way lower i can tell you i wont bother myself much with this game if there is no way for me to level without grinding my *** off on a forever.

Problem is not the fact you level fast but that i need like 50m credits for 6 skills on my seeker, then 250+ milion to get armor and the accessories.

All for a game that came out in 2005.

So again why should i bother myself just to get to some "normal" playable point just to get my ars buttsexed by L3 R9 donators? I mean i love the game but not that much rofl

Yeah.. sure.. we all talk about the fcc noobs. But... to be totally honest and like some others have said before.. FCC does really teach us alot about this game. I know that's where I really came to grasp with the squad concept. Way back on a "training run" like there used to be all the time. (those don't happen much now cause they pay for the "training" when they buy an exp room) It's an instance where for most of us.. unless you have advanced enough so you can solo... you depend on your squad to survive. I'ts where I learned to pay attention to others and HF, pull, stun, anti-stun, and such.. at the right time. FCC can be a really good way of learning how to work as a squad.. and learn your role in that squad. I remember running those first few FCC's and then kinda like a light bulb went on.. I finally got it.

Hate to see this instance fall into oblivion as it will if hypers aren't available there any more. Experience is the only reward (and if you take that away it isn't worth wasting time on).Where else is a lvl 70-90 going to go to have fun without ending up saying "**** this.. takes too long to lvl.."

Since there is nothing in the cabbage patch notes about taking hypers out of FC, I assume this was a mistake.

That said, all of the huffing and puffing and threatening to leave the game makes me smirk.

Players will continue to play.

StellaNova - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hmm wc gonna a bit empty, with all the head sellers looking for new revenue...

Other options...
PV squads on hypers
or
Do the good old Zhen squads perhaps

Never camped FC but this bm has been there some times - my others chars is so far lvl'ed on quests and bh's

Well what can I say? It is gonna be very hard for new players to play the game and lvl up. Now that the game only is worth for players 90+, I want to ask ....what happen to T3 gear, is it true that there is no drop now and how are we gonna get T3 weapons and gears now?
Gm where are you? b:cry

Abonimus - Raging Tide wrote: »

Mind explaining and or linking to some point that explains what those r ?

For us "newbies" ofc...

Zhen Squad:

Zone: area with LOTS of melee mobs(easier then ranged)
Cleric-BB
Seeker or Wiz-Cont Aoe
Any class-puller

Drag mobs into the seeker/wiz's aoe and the BB will keep them alive. Do it as long as you wish. Only limit to this is how many herbs the AOE'r and cleric can use til they are broke. Making Phoenix Valley(PV) a better choice.

I mean.. this a game we pay you guys to play. We know that mods and GM's are supposed to be monitoring all this stuff. ARE YOU THERE?

Or should we just assume that PWI has pulled another one or two or three on us and we're supposed to bend over and like it???

Balls' in your court...

It's 7:20 PDT, GMs aren't at work yet.

Concerning learning squad dynamics... that's something we used to learn running FBs, back before BH.

Banning hypers in FF 80+ is stupid. However, I'll be interested to take another crack at my Psychic and see if the tales of "it's easy to hit 100 now with quests and dailies" is true. If I can't get a quarter to half a level a day, I call foul.

Seriously, the people who are all "Hahahaha no more hyper noobs!" never tried to level 80+ back in the old days. We would have 1/4th or less of a population on our servers if it was like it used to be.

b:chuckle this just made me REALLY HAPPY...thanks for killing off future fcnoobs

To be honest, I 100% hope this is a mistake. FC is something the whole game grew used to and adapted around; it's kind of late to change it. The game's culture will be severely changed.

Sure, leveling with FC is a lot easier than leveling like it used to be back in the old days, but it still takes work unless you have a steady income of money. I personally find it annoying as I've been slowly leveling a mystic in my spare time; I don't care to level characters actively with a 101 cleric and 100 sin, as well as having spent countless hours leveling up friends.

Also, hypering heads+big room is only viable until a certain point. At this point, it is more beneficial to run the instance and other exp venues to earn it. This makes for squad experience.

Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Anything is possible long as you got time.

Ways to level now:
Public Quests(no one remembers these)
Daily quests
Reflection Zone
Zhen Squad
Phoenix Valley

PQ now is manly done for the nightspike farming though at 95+ but at my former PWPhil faction we did get more pk than we bargained for when we did PQ2, it was a bonus tw at times. Lots more fun

SeverePadron - Sanctuary wrote: »

Din know all GM's were on sertver time.. that explains alot.

Bravo for you.. you manage to grasp the concept early.. too bad you still post as lvl 81 with all your exp..

What, I'm supposed to give up my post count on Mayfly (who I no longer play more often than once in a blue moon) just to show I have leveled past 80?

YamamoriYuki - Raging Tide wrote: »

What, I'm supposed to give up my post count on Mayfly (who I no longer play more often than once in a blue moon) just to show I have leveled past 80?

No prob... just hard to read the roster without accurate stats.. no biggie.. play who ya want and speak under what name ya want... alot do the same.

I am a casual player - less than 10 hours per week on average; and I do CS occassionally. I, like several others, have mixed feelings on this...

I'm not going to complain about FCC noobs because I have no legitimate experience with them. The vast majority of players I have squaded with seemed to be pretty competent in their skills and knowledge. Perhaps this is merely a consequence of my level (<90). However, even players who've advanced (or will advance in the future) "the old fashioned way" are not guaranteed to know how to play their class well or know what they're doing in particular squads/instances.

I haven't logged in for the past 3 weeks due to burnout/boredom. I started doing FCC because it was the only way for me to level at a decent rate (did lvl 83-87 almost entirely with FCC/BH's). The last time I was online, I was doing level quests since I couldn't find an FCC squad. Kill 85 mobs for less than 0.1% of a level (0.4% for BH) was completely rediculous and that did it for me - I needed a bit of time away.

The problem I see coming is that FCC hyper will be replaced with PV zhen and the complaints will be that [insert class here] cannot get a squad because they're not as effective as [insert alternate class here] in a zhen instance/squad. The other problem I see with leveling outside of FCC is the time it takes. I cannot devote more than 2 hours max at a time in an instance, so I would be pretty much limited to one run a day IF I can find a squad.

I was actually starting to get a desire to start playing again, but not if I'm going to be stuck at level 87 for another 2 months. Level progression needs to be steady and reasonable with the promise of new gears, content, etc. to make the time spent in the game worthwhile - even for casual players. I agree that powerleveling is uneccesary, but at least provide something to marginally compensate (i.e. allow hypers, but reduce the overall experience gained in FCC to a more reasonable level; limit hypers in FCC to level 70-89; force FCC to be a full run; make FCC harder; or better yet, increase the xp rewards for quests to make them worthwhile). Right now, I'm screwed until Morai which is 2.4 levels away!


IMHO, what this game truly needs is content updates - not necessarily nerfs. I actually enjoy doing quests, but the rewards have to justify the time. I would also love to see a way for players to (as an additional option) put themselves into a "looking for squad" pool for a particular instance and once there are enough players in the pool, the squad is automatically formed (perhaps allowing some way to make sure there is a healer and a tank [multiple classes can fill these two roles] as part of the squad).

Just my 2 cents...

Vazil - Sanctuary wrote: »

I am a casual player - less than 10 hours per week on average; and I do CS occassionally. I, like several others, have mixed feelings on this...

I'm not going to complain about FCC noobs because I have no legitimate experience with them. The vast majority of players I have squaded with seemed to be pretty competent in their skills and knowledge. Perhaps this is merely a consequence of my level (<90). However, even players who've advanced (or will advance in the future) "the old fashioned way" are not guaranteed to know how to play their class well or know what they're doing in particular squads/instances.

I haven't logged in for the past 3 weeks due to burnout/boredom. I started doing FCC because it was the only way for me to level at a decent rate (did lvl 83-87 almost entirely with FCC/BH's). The last time I was online, I was doing level quests since I couldn't find an FCC squad. Kill 85 mobs for less than 0.1% of a level (0.4% for BH) was completely rediculous and that did it for me - I needed a bit of time away.

The problem I see coming is that FCC hyper will be replaced with PV zhen and the complaints will be that [insert class here] cannot get a squad because they're not as effective as [insert alternate class here] in a zhen instance/squad. The other problem I see with leveling outside of FCC is the time it takes. I cannot devote more than 2 hours max at a time in an instance, so I would be pretty much limited to one run a day IF I can find a squad.

I was actually starting to get a desire to start playing again, but not if I'm going to be stuck at level 87 for another 2 months. Level progression needs to be steady and reasonable with the promise of new gears, content, etc. to make the time spent in the game worthwhile - even for casual players. I agree that powerleveling is uneccesary, but at least provide something to marginally compensate (i.e. allow hypers, but reduce the overall experience gained in FCC to a more reasonable level; limit hypers in FCC to level 70-89; force FCC to be a full run; make FCC harder; or better yet, increase the xp rewards for quests to make them worthwhile). Right now, I'm screwed until Morai which is 2.4 levels away!


IMHO, what this game truly needs is content updates - not necessarily nerfs. I actually enjoy doing quests, but the rewards have to justify the time. I would also love to see a way for players to (as an additional option) put themselves into a "looking for squad" pool for a particular instance and once there are enough players in the pool, the squad is automatically formed (perhaps allowing some way to make sure there is a healer and a tank [multiple classes can fill these two roles] as part of the squad).

Just my 2 cents...

There will ALWAYS be a ying to every yang.b:cute