Raging Tide's TW state

The topic is the current state of Territory Wars on Raging Tide. I don't see how talking about TW or the factions that participate in it is off-topic. I will say, though, that I don't know why we need an entire thread to discuss what I could some up in 4 words: Same s***, different day. The only thing that has changed is the group the holds the power. Unless the rest of RT gets its act together, it doesn't look like Vicious will be outed any time soon.

Skaitavia wrote: »

Again that leads back to the argument about telling a family to "split up and leave one another". It's not going to work. Families will only get stronger.

So is the name above your head your family tie? What's more important to you? That name? Or being with your friends? I'm gonna bet on the latter.

Another question: What's more important to you? That name above your head? Or fun TWs? If having a specific name above your head is more important to you than fun TWs, then I think your business here is done. You don't care about fun high lvl TW and have made your choice.

Now, I'm not saying family/friends are not important. I mix them together because my faction friends are my faction family. They're the same to me. My friends are what drive me to login and play this game.

Now if my friends decide to band together under a different name, we're NOT "splitting up"... we're just choosing to call our family something new. And possibly met new fun family/friends.

Now I know I can't speak for you. But for me, I only have so many faction friends. The ones who are close to me. The ones I trust. The ones who make the game fun for me. The rest, they're in my faction. But They're not really my friends. Now perhaps for you, it's different. Perhaps every single member of the 150 vicious are your friends, and you'd feel sad in your heart to lose even a single one of them. And if that's the case, I respect you for it. You play the game to be with your friends, and if that's what makes it fun for you, that's great!

But for me, I wanna be with my friends too. But another part of me longs for those FUN LONG TWs of the past. You know, the 2-3 hour battle we had each week a year or so ago. I'm looking for a solution where we can have BOTH our friends AND our fun TWs. Please don't be a party pooper!

One more question: Mr. Skai. If all your vicious friends were to leave and goto a new faction called CareBears. (Opposite of vicious?)... Would you still stick with the name above your head? Or would you stick with your friends? I'm betting on the latter, cuz that's for sure what I would do. If all my close friends in QQme decided they were gonna goto a new faction, regardless of name, I'd wanna go with them. Cuz they're the ones that make the game fun for me. And I wanna stick with them. (And honestly, QQme is the DUMBEST name I've heard of for a faction. Sheesh.)

What I'm discussing/proposing is NOT to create a super faction. Whoever seems to have dubbed it that, please stop. We already have a super faction. It's called vicious. My idea is to create a balance. Will it work? I dunno. Will we know if we don't try? Nope. Even if it would work, would people be willing to try? I dunno. It depends on how many people value some fun high level TW, and how many would rather just sit tight and hope PWI changes something. (Aka, Group 3 vs Group 2/1)

If there are other ideas, post them out there.

Things that AREN'T gonna happen:

1) Vicious disband. Might solve some problems, but why should they sacrifice? They worked for their spot.
2) QQme grow a backbone, skills, gear and more TW attendance. Might work again, but I see it as rather unlikely.

Things that MAY happen:
1) Any other faction vie for #1... well, they'd have to shoot for #2 before they go for #1. We can all hope it happens, since that means QQme will be getting good TWs before vicious will. (Since you can't challange #1 until you've beaten #2, realistically)
2) PWE does a server merge or changes TW content so it becomes fun again. This certainly would make things more fun, but seems unlikely and is entirely out of our control.

Things that we can do to try to solve the problem on our own:
1) Create a new faction for the purpose of balancing TW. Yes, it would have to be made from vicious, qqme and others too. As said above, I have no clue if it would work. But it has a chance.

Feel free to add to this list, as I'd love long 3 hour TWS where I feel challenged and enjoy myself the entire time.

Things that won't solve anything:
1) Finger pointing at others.
2) Expecting others to work for you to solve the problem.
3) Picking apart and attacking the people who DO want to work together and solve the problem.


In the end, if not enough people care to solve the problem, and are happy to have RT be a dead-end TW server... I guess we're stuck. I for one don't think NW solves anything. Maybe once a week I'll get a fast paced fun battle against the red-haired archer, or the super-tanky veno... but 90% of my NWs are walking between spawn points 1 shotting people. Not much fun, sorry.

Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide wrote: »

well.. with the map resetting every 6 months.. no one really needs to make tws better for the #1.. no one can own the server like back in the day.. so no one actually needs to help vicious have fun tws..

Levi having fun tws with zoo.. and im sure after the reset levi will have fun tws with valkyrie.. everyone gears up at different speeds.. levi people take their time..


and back when Vicious started.. the tws costs were much cheaper.. thats just one thing to consider when u ask of qqme to show up building towers and/or bidding..

tower costs were cheaper, but TW pay was diamonds.

Arawin, I just want to put this in some sort of perspective for you. Vicious=friends=family. Right now I can name off the top of my head at least 25 people in Vicious that I would walk to the gates of Hell for, smack Cerberus in all 3 faces and call him a puppy, punch the devil in his face and call him a loser. The ties run deep here and with a lot of us so yes the name above our head is very important. That's because we made it that way. Most of us fought so long and hard and forged great frienships here in this faction. So for us if 1 person would start another faction then 90% would follow and it would just be Vicious by a new name. It's hard to take Vicious out of this equation and look just at the other factions because it's such a large factor. In theory you could start a new faction, but thats too much ground work to be done. Then everything has to be looked at as between the rest of the factions. Maybe your answer is make Levi the next super fatcion by joining them. As least there is an established framework to work with.

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Skaitavia wrote: »

Again that leads back to the argument about telling a family to "split up and leave one another". It's not going to work. Families will only get stronger.

No. The kids grow old and move out of the house. In this case people go to other games.

XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »

Arawin - Raging Tide wrote: »

to OP:

#1 - Spell is not the voice of QQme. He's just one member./QUOTE]

Please....

Spell does Whiskey Tango Foxtrot he wants to. People told him explicitly to quit trolling forums when I was last in QQme. He wouldn't stop. And people like Cody enabled him.

Hell, Spell kicked me (not that I particularly cared all that much at that point)...

Everything I said that got me kicked and him and Cody bothered by me turned out to be correct. QQme's core member went bye bye. And a year+ later you still get the perpetual whining on the forums that people in QQme should refuse to allow to go on. But you guys let it go on and on and on and on and on and on and on...

When people read forums... and think about QQme... Spell is the first thing that pops into their mind...

What is hilarious about it... And I still browse these forums 6-8 months since I regularly played and it is always the same song and dance with Spell and the people who troll them. And it continues people certain people lack the cojones to boot him to curb his behaviour until he change up his boring routines on the forums that drove people away from QQme...

So Zav...I kicked you coz of your negative comments and the fact you were rude to many QQme members. That was a behavior of your that I did not accept so I booted you.

Now you see my behavior as unfit and advise the current leadership to boot me. How would that make the current leadership different than my leadership?

You've been lashed and you want others to be lashed too.

All I've said is that I believe QQme is not ready for Vicious at the moment. When we will be, we will sure defend.

Well, my last two cents unless there is something for me to respond to :

I can not speak for my faction, but as for myself, I am working on upgrading my gears. That is all I can do atm, and that "moment" may take some months.

1. Depends on how well I do with merching (which I will be beginning to try again over the next few weeks).

2. Depends on how well I do with nw (my warsoul recast wep and r8 recast being the priorities there).

3. and ofc cs'ing (but I can only afford 20-80$ a week max as long as irl is status quo).

But I absolutely would love 3 hr wars in heaven and hell type battles... so dont think ill be out of the bigger picture down the road... even if from what this thread is starting to sound like...

MyPixelsHurt - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im gunna try to jump into this as unbiased as I possible can. The QQme I was apart of had their #1 goal "to be the best". We accomplished that through taking down the infamous Infamy and owning the entire map. I left game for a while came back and saw that Vicious was born and wanting "to be the best" . They accomplished that. No faction since has stuck with the plan of wanting to be the best. It's not easy, nothing in life is, But you must have determination and stay with it not give up just because you got rolled. Lets be honest and im going to go to my biased opinion for a second : Spell_Binladin was the worst person to ever hand leadership to. He thoroughly killed any chance of QQme ever being a desired faction again, #2 seed or not. No leader should troll and run their mouth as much as he did while in qqme's infamous musical chair position of Leadership. Back on topic, unbiased of course . Some new faction must be born not a merger, just a beginning. Friends coming together and saying "Forget joining qqme,levi,vici lets start our own dynasty, LETS BE THE BEST". <--- that faction is the ONLY 1 that will ever take down the vicious beast. I have nothing against QQme I was one of the first 5 people in the faction to begin with. But to beat the best you cant keep making excuses why your losing . Gear is the biggest argument i hear and even that has no weight to it because your 80 that could TW against us is more equal to our 80 then u think it is. Stop making excuses, spell is the worst broken record and if im tired of hearing his mouth, I know there are many others like me .

"Spell is bad, spell is horrible, spell is binladen, spell has destroyed QQme beyond recognition...spell is this spell is that..."

OMFG, Did I put all the server on Psychological treatment? WTF? In the country where 170mil people are medicated, only the unmedicated ones are playing PWI?

Stop cash-shopping and go get some medication, I am sure you will be able to cope with me better after that.

The thing is spell wants that only faction to beat vicious

HAS GOT TO BE QQME

NEEDS TO BE QQME

SHOULD ONLY BE QQME

thats why they refused to help zoo attain this when it was on its peak


now they cry for help for other factions to gank vici with them


what do you think factions would respond to?


b:laugh

My only question from this entire thread will go to spell_binladen (like wht u did there pixels). Spell u don't know me so for the love of god don't be asking who is this guy and why is he hiding behind stone face ****, just answer my question I leave to you. Can you read through this entire thread and not see how much of an arrogant person u are? If you say no then you should stay away from your computer for awhile and relax.


Itswhatsbestforyou

People if you have stuff against Spell_Caster, take it to another thread, although I'm afraid that you will find it locked for obvious reasons, but please don't bring it to this thread which is trying to get somewhere.

Back to the topic,
I find myself scrolling up to Bhavvy's post (which pretty much refers back to Arawin's)

Yes Bhavvy, those factions were started to compete in TW...
but it is my belief that there was motivation aside from 'competing for #1' behind their creation, which has led to them dying...

I have considered starting the new faction that has been spoken of before,
in fact I wanted to take Valk to there, but I discovered early on that Valkarie
is a family faction, and if I was to go change it, then I'd be taking the home of
all it's long-time members...

After having been leader of Valkarie, even though it was a short time, I also
realized the kind of commitment and responsibility it takes to run a big faction.
It is not to be taken lightly, I'm sure half the people here can relate, however
good or bad we did running a faction, or even being officer for one, it is not
easy, and it takes more consistent presence than I can offer with the job and study
that I have.

I still stand by my point that QQme is strong, enough to deserve the title of #2,
but I will stop asking you guys to compete with Vicious, whatever you guys decide,
be it a comeback, or refounding, or to stop TWing, I wish you good luck.

I wish the same to other factions striving for the #1 spot on the server,
and I would like to tell you: I'm sure you'll find plenty of ear and words of advice
and people ready with ideas if you need them, despite the presence of trolls and
the like.

To everyone who has been wondering why I never mentioned Valkarie as being a hopeful for next competitor for #2, I believe if not in an earlier post, then this one
of mine, it's become pretty clear that it is not focused on TW, but a faction
which offers a window into TW, but isn't one looking to compete for the #1 spot,
unless they decide otherwise / have decided to since the time of my leaving.

Arawin - Raging Tide wrote: »

So is the name above your head your family tie? What's more important to you? That name? Or being with your friends? I'm gonna bet on the latter.

Being with friends is the obvious answer if you've seen how I've been with Vicious.

Another question: What's more important to you? That name above your head? Or fun TWs? If having a specific name above your head is more important to you than fun TWs, then I think your business here is done. You don't care about fun high lvl TW and have made your choice.

While fun TWs is my answer here, that directly correlates to the previous answer of being with friends being more important. From my perspective, people who want fun TWs instead of being loyal to your friends/faction are considered "faction hoppers" in my eyes. They only want personal fun in TW than to contribute to a faction cause. That is what I'm understanding from this particular question from you.

Now, I'm not saying family/friends are not important. I mix them together because my faction friends are my faction family. They're the same to me. My friends are what drive me to login and play this game.

Now if my friends decide to band together under a different name, we're NOT "splitting up"... we're just choosing to call our family something new. And possibly met new fun family/friends.

This is exactly what my statement about breaking up a family TW faction is about. If Vicious disbands just to "disperse the power", the ones in there that are close friends with one another will join back together under a different name. And for Vicious, that's a huge majority of everyone in there currently. The same would go with QQme, Valk, etc.

Now I know I can't speak for you. But for me, I only have so many faction friends. The ones who are close to me. The ones I trust. The ones who make the game fun for me. The rest, they're in my faction. But They're not really my friends. Now perhaps for you, it's different. Perhaps every single member of the 150 vicious are your friends, and you'd feel sad in your heart to lose even a single one of them. And if that's the case, I respect you for it. You play the game to be with your friends, and if that's what makes it fun for you, that's great!

I can definitely understand where you're coming from, as you never can be friends with every single person. As for myself, I try to be nice to everyone in the faction, but very oftentimes there are many that don't talk at all. There has been more than one occasion where I randomly run by someone who was in Vicious, but I never knew they were because they never talked. But yes, I try to be friends with everyone in the faction, and through the time I've been in here, the ones that stay have definitely become closer friends than acquaintances. And by now you should know there are quite a few core Vicious members.

But that's the thing not many people know about me. I never joined Vicious to TW or PvP. The only reason I joined was become one of my closest friends back in the day (still great friends now ) poppercorn left my previous family faction to join Vicious because a friend of his said it was a nice place to try out. So I applied to Vicious many months later without even knowing they were a TW/PvP faction. I joined mainly to be back in the same faction with my friend, and to meet more people. And it was quite difficult to leave the 6-7 main friends in my previous family faction. But after some proper conditioning and learning, I contributed to Vicious's cause of having fun TWs and bringing down the top faction back in the day.

But for me, I wanna be with my friends too. But another part of me longs for those FUN LONG TWs of the past. You know, the 2-3 hour battle we had each week a year or so ago. I'm looking for a solution where we can have BOTH our friends AND our fun TWs. Please don't be a party pooper!

One more question: Mr. Skai. If all your vicious friends were to leave and goto a new faction called CareBears. (Opposite of vicious?)... Would you still stick with the name above your head? Or would you stick with your friends? I'm betting on the latter, cuz that's for sure what I would do. If all my close friends in QQme decided they were gonna goto a new faction, regardless of name, I'd wanna go with them. Cuz they're the ones that make the game fun for me. And I wanna stick with them. (And honestly, QQme is the DUMBEST name I've heard of for a faction. Sheesh.)

As you predicted, it would be the latter. The only reason I still play this game is because of my friends in it, and my subscribers supporting me on my YouTube channel. Without either I would have quit pretty quickly. I've even had spells of quitting every now and then because real life was getting busy, but the bonds I made keep me logging back in. If those bonds are broken, then you won't be seeing me often. (p.s. I wish Vicious was named Ponies)

What I'm discussing/proposing is NOT to create a super faction. Whoever seems to have dubbed it that, please stop. We already have a super faction. It's called vicious. My idea is to create a balance. Will it work? I dunno. Will we know if we don't try? Nope. Even if it would work, would people be willing to try? I dunno. It depends on how many people value some fun high level TW, and how many would rather just sit tight and hope PWI changes something. (Aka, Group 3 vs Group 2/1)

If there are other ideas, post them out there.

Things that AREN'T gonna happen:

1) Vicious disband. Might solve some problems, but why should they sacrifice? They worked for their spot.
2) QQme grow a backbone, skills, gear and more TW attendance. Might work again, but I see it as rather unlikely.

Things that MAY happen:
1) Any other faction vie for #1... well, they'd have to shoot for #2 before they go for #1. We can all hope it happens, since that means QQme will be getting good TWs before vicious will. (Since you can't challange #1 until you've beaten #2, realistically)
2) PWE does a server merge or changes TW content so it becomes fun again. This certainly would make things more fun, but seems unlikely and is entirely out of our control.

Things that we can do to try to solve the problem on our own:
1) Create a new faction for the purpose of balancing TW. Yes, it would have to be made from vicious, qqme and others too. As said above, I have no clue if it would work. But it has a chance.

Feel free to add to this list, as I'd love long 3 hour TWS where I feel challenged and enjoy myself the entire time.

Things that won't solve anything:
1) Finger pointing at others.
2) Expecting others to work for you to solve the problem.
3) Picking apart and attacking the people who DO want to work together and solve the problem.


In the end, if not enough people care to solve the problem, and are happy to have RT be a dead-end TW server... I guess we're stuck. I for one don't think NW solves anything. Maybe once a week I'll get a fast paced fun battle against the red-haired archer, or the super-tanky veno... but 90% of my NWs are walking between spawn points 1 shotting people. Not much fun, sorry.

My responses are in cyan!

Trolling aside, there has been quite a legitimate discussion about the TW state of Raging Tides. That's the only thing I'm contributing towards, and if you read the thread, you will find a response somewhere in there regarding as to why this thread isn't closed yet.

And why me? Because I'm _Skai_ from Vicious, so I have a few relevant points from my perspective to share as well to the state of TW in Raging Tides. If you read any of my posts in this thread so far, you can see they are highly constructive and flame-retardant. I'm talking in a form of a player from Raging Tides, as that's what I am, moderation title aside.

I do not intend to break the forum rules, nor do I intend to abuse my power. If you felt I was doing either one of these, then please know that is not the case.

Yuniryu - Raging Tide wrote: »

IF a new SUPERFACTION is born from THIS thread I should be leader. Whis WITH MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

.......Don't YOU DARE!

REAL REAL REAL REAL REAL REAL

I hate how these random posts that are filled with jibberish keep appearing on good discussion thread. Hurts my eyes seeing random words put together that add nothing to this thread and just try and draw attention to that person