Raging Tide's TW state

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  • Horugou - Raging Tide
    Horugou - Raging Tide Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    So...after Vicious takes all OP people from Valkyrie...they want to see how Valkyrie performs in TW. What can one say about this?

    Can we get modding on biased stuff like this to keep the thread alive and free of possible trolling?

    Fact: I have been the first person from Valkarie to join Vicious in 4 months roughly, and there are no open applications from any Valks at this time. FYI, Valkarie has 10+ R9 / R9R / R9RR / T3 +10 / 11 / 12, all of whom are worthy being called 'OP'
  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
    Spell_Caster - Raging Tide Posts: 2,216 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Well Spell can't help himself. It's some sort of compunction of his to make it everyone else fault. Dosen't matter he has been regulated into obscurity in this thread. Everything he says is irrelevent anyway while Arawin tries to further the conversation. I think this is good to point out. Here we have 1 QQme (Arawin) who wants to progress this conversation about TW and server balance. And another QQm (Spell) who offers nothing and points to other trolls while trolling. As most people said NW =/= TW so as I said before, start another thread about NW. It's like he is in some sort of negative feedback loop or something. The server has no hope and Vicious isn't getting rolled 20v20. If you manage to get 20 QQme and 20 Vicious in one NW instance I call hax. And if that was the case wouldn't it be form for QQme just to leave the instance since in your eyes NW is the new TW? Anyway this is getting sad, Arawin I wish you luck in whatever you decide.

    This is your futile attempt to lure Arawin in Vicious? :))

    I cannot be what I am not. Why're you asking such a thing of me?
    If someone hates you for no reason, then give that **** a reason!b:chuckle
  • Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide
    Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    This is your futile attempt to lure Arawin in Vicious? :))

    I cannot be what I am not. Why're you asking such a thing of me?

    I no longer play so who joins or leaves Vicious is none of my concern. Besides Arawin said he would never go to Vicious for stated reasons.

    Your 2nd statement makes no sense, even after I read it a few times. Eh whatever
  • lolimaoneshot
    lolimaoneshot Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    No idea who you are but you nailed it

    I don't want to be rude or anything, or the bringer of funny news but did anyone else notice Heleghir was quoting and responding to himself here? Don't believe me? Click on the alt and check the core connect.
  • Epros - Raging Tide
    Epros - Raging Tide Posts: 1,720 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I don't want to be rude or anything, or the bringer of funny news but did anyone else notice Heleghir was quoting and responding to himself here? Don't believe me? Click on the alt and check the core connect.

    bahahaha
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  • Shamoke - Raging Tide
    Shamoke - Raging Tide Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    This thread is about TW, not NW. Calling NW 4 hours of "constant" skill and tactics is a joke. Let's be honest. 90% of NW is tabbing random targets for easy kills. You only ever need to do anything other than smash buttons and run the flag leisurely the 10% of the time it gets competitive. That's where the fun is, those competitive fights. They don't come to everyone very consistently. Which brings me back to the topic.

    If we want 3 hours of constant skill and tactics, we need better TWs. b:chuckle
  • Dylena - Raging Tide
    Dylena - Raging Tide Posts: 1,416 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Once again let me explain it in easier words because people seem not to understand it.

    IF Dylena leaves Vicious to join a new faction, Dylena's loyal friends will be going with Dylena and Vicious will be gone (yes) but that new faction Dylena joined will get all the OPs of Vicious and will be top...now were are we? Oh yes just were we started we have a new Vicious with a different name.

    If disband is the only solution you found so far you might as well keep it the way it is right now cus nothing will ever change.
    I don't want to be rude or anything, or the bringer of funny news but did anyone else notice Heleghir was quoting and responding to himself here? Don't believe me? Click on the alt and check the core connect.

    That made me lol.
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  • TruthWarren - Raging Tide
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I didn't expect to come on RT's forums and find such a mess ._.

    This is Raging Tide, what did you expect?
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  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
    Spell_Caster - Raging Tide Posts: 2,216 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    So lets talk about TW.

    1. Why would people want to TW on a PVE server?

    2. Why do people have so much hate for QQme?

    3. Why does Vicious have control over other factions? Valkyrie, Levi, Zoo, etc...thus having 1 single gank in 2 years.

    1 gank where Vicious spawnkilled Damnation people and QQme people...like that was no tomorrow.


    To teach them a lesson. That is why....
    If someone hates you for no reason, then give that **** a reason!b:chuckle
  • TruthWarren - Raging Tide
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    So lets talk about TW.

    1. Why would people want to TW on a PVE server?
    Excusing this obvious cop-out, the same question could be asked about NW or PK.

    2. Why do people have so much hate for QQme?
    One word: You.

    3. Why does Vicious have control over other factions? Valkyrie, Levi, Zoo, etc...thus having 1 single gank in 2 years.
    In a sense, yes.

    1 gank where Vicious spawnkilled Damnation people and QQme people...like that was no tomorrow.


    To teach them a lesson. That is why....

    You have your answers.
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  • Shamoke - Raging Tide
    Shamoke - Raging Tide Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Spell, the same old broken propaganda does not work. You're being insane. Vicious controls no other factions. QQme can't get other factions to get on the same page as them as they have in the past and therefore you're calling Levi/Zoo/Valkarie alts/pets/controlled.

    I'll say it again. The server doesn't revolve around QQme vs Vicious. Other factions do their own thing. I'm not sure what it means for other factions, but for Levi it just so happens doing our own thing means not being talked into working with QQme. That's just one part of the Levi agenda. It has nothing to do with Vicious' agenda. I don't understand why you think since Levi isn't with QQme, then they must be with Vicious.

    I don't hate QQme. I hate that you out of any one member of QQme influence and hinder their progression just by being yourself. What I mean by that is the way you behave put people off from going to QQme. For any faction to progress they need to get more applicants and gear up the members already there. If QQme were to get out of this attitude/mood/state of mind, you would have to get over yourself. This isn't about only you and QQme has to do this without your influence.

    Before I get the same old, "but I'm just one person!" Listen to yourself for a change. You're just one person. A step into the right direction for your faction as a whole is for you to figure it out that you are 1 out of 170 members. The way you carry yourself it seems to me you value yourself higher than QQme and its members. It's not a very flattering image for your faction. Quit being insane.
  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
    Spell_Caster - Raging Tide Posts: 2,216 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Spell, the same old broken propaganda does not work. You're being insane. Vicious controls no other factions. QQme can't get other factions to get on the same page as them as they have in the past and therefore you're calling Levi/Zoo/Valkarie alts/pets/controlled.

    How do you explain all these factions bend the knee when it comes to Vicious?



    I'll say it again. The server doesn't revolve around QQme vs Vicious. Other factions do their own thing. I'm not sure what it means for other factions, but for Levi it just so happens doing our own thing means not being talked into working with QQme. That's just one part of the Levi agenda. It has nothing to do with Vicious' agenda. I don't understand why you think since Levi isn't with QQme, then they must be with Vicious.

    There is no room for neutrality here. Either with QQme or with Vicious. It is black and white, I dont understand why you try to color it.


    I don't hate QQme. I hate that you out of any one member of QQme influence and hinder their progression just by being yourself. What I mean by that is the way you behave put people off from going to QQme. For any faction to progress they need to get more applicants and gear up the members already there. If QQme were to get out of this attitude/mood/state of mind, you would have to get over yourself. This isn't about only you and QQme has to do this without your influence.

    You are terrible wrong. QQme is not influenced by me. QQme is led by a group of capable people. I am not among them. You think what you please.

    Before I get the same old, "but I'm just one person!" Listen to yourself for a change. You're just one person. A step into the right direction for your faction as a whole is for you to figure it out that you are 1 out of 170 members. The way you carry yourself it seems to me you value yourself higher than QQme and its members. It's not a very flattering image for your faction. Quit being insane.

    You are insulting me here on the wrong thread. I am not insane, this is what all my doctors say. You must bring proof before insulting another person. Being insane is something really bad, you have no rights, cant vote, cant do alot of stuff. If you want to have a conversation on forums w/o breaking T&C you must behave. I will forgive you for now, as you are new. I am polite with my fans.b:bye



    My green answers. :)
    If someone hates you for no reason, then give that **** a reason!b:chuckle
  • Shamoke - Raging Tide
    Shamoke - Raging Tide Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Insanity, Spell. I'll let you argue my claim on your own.
  • TruthWarren - Raging Tide
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Wait, I got it! Spell_Caster is a Vicious mole that worked his way up the ranks of QQme for the sole purpose of sabotaging the faction from the inside. He portrays himself as a delusional maniac and uses wild propaganda to destroy QQme's reputation. He put a great cover, but I was finally able to expose the facade.

    Lol I'm just kidding
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  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
    Spell_Caster - Raging Tide Posts: 2,216 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Wait, I got it! Spell_Caster is a Vicious mole that worked his way up the ranks of QQme for the sole purpose of sabotaging the faction from the inside. He portrays himself as delusional maniac and uses wild propaganda to destroy QQme's reputation. He put a great cover, but I was finally able to expose the facade.

    Lol I'm just kidding

    This might be true. Keep in mind I was a cata cleric in Leviathan, healing Nuff_Said multiple times vs Infamy.b:chuckle
    If someone hates you for no reason, then give that **** a reason!b:chuckle
  • Epros - Raging Tide
    Epros - Raging Tide Posts: 1,720 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    This might be true. Keep in mind I was a cata cleric in Leviathan, healing Nuff_Said multiple times vs Infamy.b:chuckle

    it seems rather accurate, i havent been the subject of spell's hate/rage/trolling/WC's/forums posts in a while now. only logical explanation is hes working for vicious
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  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Spell_Caster. When are you going to get that after this thread, no one is going to give a shizzle what you say anymore. You lecture me on English lessons.
    Boy, I can write better English than you could even understand. But one thing more, I will not be provoked by your pathetic attitude and troll posts into retaliating. Like I said, you are insignificant to the future of Raging Tides. Good luck in your future mmorpg endeavours.

    This thread is not black or white. This server is not just about qqme vs vicious. If you were smart enough to realise this perhaps your opinion would matter.
    Even your successor to leadership disagrees with most of what you are saying. Qqme is not going to rise to number one again. I'm sorry. I know how much that hope means to you. But you can not deny that if you were observing a faction that was trying to beat you for 2 years and every week there would be a different excuse that your faction is finished.
    Your dream is over. Soon you will get over it. (Cue troll post from the most trolly wizard of all time.) do not insult me. You know nothing about me. In fact you know nothing about anyone you insult because everything you say is based on your own judgement which, lets be honest, as leader of qqme you displayed how good of a judge you were lol.

    You're done man.
    You're finished. No one gives a smelly brown poo about what you say.
    I'm sure there's going to be a reply from you about how stupid and ignorant I am. The fact of the matter is, no one is going to care what you say about me or anyone else. It's the same old vicious hate that spawns from your fingers every-time you type something on these forums.

    In case your thick idiotic mind hasn't figured it out yet, this conversation has been about how the server can work to make tw better for EVERYONE in the server. Open your god damn eyes?! Everyone except you seems to get that this thread is not about trolling vicious. This thread is about restoring the fun of the tw instance back to our server. An instance you won't hesitate to dub Nation wars by as it seems nation wars is the only thing you can win at. Good job man. You can win with 20 on your side against 1 vicious squad of 10. You must feel like your faction is the motherhumping number 1.

    You ignorant self obsessed moron.


    You have nothing constructive whatsoever to offer to this post and for that matter to this server and to be quite honest, the process of enhancing our pvp experience as a server would be much better off without you.


    GET OVER IT. YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL. NOTHING YOU SAY EFFECTS ANYONE. YOU ARE A NON FACTOR THAT JUST TROLLS THINKING YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A POINT WHEN YOU LITERALLY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD IS ABOUT.


    THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT QQME VS VICIOUS. THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT DISBANDING ANY FACTION. Please read the title and then discuss. If you come along with one more comment about how vicious is in the wrong, one more comment about YOU, no one is going to care man. I'm sorry. I don't hate you. I don't even dislike you. But you are going to find yourself alone and uncared about.

    THIS thread is about the future of tw on raging tides. It's NOT about your own pathetic vendetta against vicious which no one cares about.

    Let the new age be born on Raging Tides server. An age where we can have fun despite all the trash talk spell caster conjures
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  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
    Spell_Caster - Raging Tide Posts: 2,216 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Spell_Caster. When are you going to get that after this thread, no one is going to give a shizzle what you say anymore. You lecture me on English lessons.


    Yes, you are the perfect example for use of English on this forum. b:chuckle



    Boy, I can write better English than you could even understand. But one thing more, I will not be provoked by your pathetic attitude and troll posts into retaliating.


    You are already provoked. NOOO You are raging! You just called me "Boy" a clear sign of anger. Chill up, that's my advice.


    Like I said, you are insignificant to the future of Raging Tides. Good luck in your future mmorpg endeavours.

    OFC I am. We all are.


    This thread is not black or white. This server is not just about qqme vs vicious. If you were smart enough to realise this perhaps your opinion would matter.

    Check how you spell "realize". You are indeed a Master in English. I'd open a book from time to time if I were you.


    Even your successor to leadership disagrees with most of what you are saying. Qqme is not going to rise to number one again. I'm sorry. I know how much that hope means to you. But you can not deny that if you were

    QQme is rising. You Vicious could not wipe us off the map, could not make us self-distruct, could not make us disappear. We are here and we will stay! You think a peak in Vicious's life on RT is forever? It is not bahvyy boy!


    GLORY TO QQme!
    If someone hates you for no reason, then give that **** a reason!b:chuckle
  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
    Spell_Caster - Raging Tide Posts: 2,216 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    And he added more...the angry man who is never provoked. b:chuckle

    Spell_Caster. When are you going to get that after this thread, no one is going to give a shizzle what you say anymore. You lecture me on English lessons.
    Boy, I can write better English than you could even understand. But one thing more, I will not be provoked by your pathetic attitude and troll posts into retaliating. Like I said, you are insignificant to the future of Raging Tides. Good luck in your future mmorpg endeavours.

    This thread is not black or white. This server is not just about qqme vs vicious. If you were smart enough to realise this perhaps your opinion would matter.
    Even your successor to leadership disagrees with most of what you are saying. Qqme is not going to rise to number one again. I'm sorry. I know how much that hope means to you. But you can not deny that if you were observing a faction that was trying to beat you for 2 years and every week there would be a different excuse that your faction is finished.
    Your dream is over. Soon you will get over it. (Cue troll post from the most trolly wizard of all time.) do not insult me. You know nothing about me. In fact you know nothing about anyone you insult because everything you say is based on your own judgement which, lets be honest, as leader of qqme you displayed how good of a judge you were lol.

    You're done man. ????
    You're finished. No one gives a smelly brown poo about what you say.


    I'm sure there's going to be a reply from you about how stupid and ignorant I am.

    You are very smart bahvyy!b:kiss

    The fact of the matter is, no one is going to care what you say about me or anyone else. It's the same old vicious hate that spawns from your fingers every-time you type something on these forums.

    Hmm okay!

    In case your thick idiotic mind hasn't figured it out yet, this conversation has been about how the server can work to make tw better for EVERYONE in the server. Open your god damn eyes?! Everyone except you seems to get that this thread is not about trolling vicious. This thread is about restoring the fun of the tw instance back to our server. An instance you won't hesitate to dub Nation wars by as it seems nation wars is the only thing you can win at. Good job man. You can win with 20 on your side against 1 vicious squad of 10. You must feel like your faction is the motherhumping number 1.

    You ignorant self obsessed moron.

    Now you are slipping...take a pill fast, bloodpressure over 300b:chuckle


    You have nothing constructive whatsoever to offer to this post and for that matter to this server and to be quite honest, the process of enhancing our pvp experience as a server would be much better off without you.

    I am not quitting!



    GET OVER IT. YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL. NOTHING YOU SAY EFFECTS ANYONE. YOU ARE A NON FACTOR THAT JUST TROLLS THINKING YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A POINT WHEN YOU LITERALLY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD IS ABOUT.



    THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT QQME VS VICIOUS. THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT DISBANDING ANY FACTION.

    Please read the title and then discuss. If you come along with one more comment about how vicious is in the wrong, one more comment about how YOU, no one is going to care man. I'm sorry. I don't hate you. I don't even dislike you. But you are going to find yourself alone and uncared about.

    THIS thread is about the future of tw on raging tides. It's NOT about your own pathetic vendetta against vicious which no one cares about.



    @Bahvvy....chillax hombre! This is a game. Vicious bleeds coz they have OP ppl and no TW. I enjoy myself.

    What else?
    If someone hates you for no reason, then give that **** a reason!b:chuckle
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Lol.
    You fool. This is not about you.
    This is about the future TW of rt. something that's bigger than even you, great arch mage of rt.
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  • Lecus - Lost City
    Lecus - Lost City Posts: 267 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    You fool. Best line off this thread and pretty much sums up all that the useless attention hoe is b:thanks
  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
    Spell_Caster - Raging Tide Posts: 2,216 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Lol.
    You fool. This is not about you.
    This is about the future TW of rt. something that's bigger than even you, great arch mage of rt.

    I suggest you clean your language! MODs will close this thread coz of you!



    Glory QQme!
    If someone hates you for no reason, then give that **** a reason!b:chuckle
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Whatever.
    No one cares.

    Back to the topic of how to improve the quality of TW on rt please b:pleased
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  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
    Spell_Caster - Raging Tide Posts: 2,216 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Whatever.
    No one cares.

    Back to the topic of how to improve the quality of TW on rt please b:pleased

    Look at you now, all defeatist!

    What about improving RT's TWs?


    Vicious wants TW, yet their actions show they like to dominate:

    ~spawnpoint kill each TW
    ~gather all OPs there
    ~unbalance the server by keeping factions like Levi, Valkyrie and zoo in their pocket so they cant gank.



    It seems to me someone is not true here and that's vicious!
    If someone hates you for no reason, then give that **** a reason!b:chuckle
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Look at you now, all defeatist!

    What about improving RT's TWs?


    Vicious wants TW, yet their actions show they like to dominate:

    ~spawnpoint kill each TW
    ~gather all OPs there
    ~unbalance the server by keeping factions like Levi, Valkyrie and zoo in their pocket so they cant gank.



    It seems to me someone is not true here and that's vicious!
    You spawn point kill Levi.
    You have the best geared cleric, barb, wizard.
    They don't control anyone as stated by vicious and the factions you claim they control. Valkarie in vicious pocket!? Press M you crackpot.

    Even if what you said is true you still have yet to contribute to the discussion after 20+ posts. GG spell caster.
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  • Epros - Raging Tide
    Epros - Raging Tide Posts: 1,720 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    spell, i know you are just trying to get entertainment from the forums by making people rage, but let me be honest with you for a second. this is not meant to flame, be mean, or otherwise harm you or QQme as a whole, but your actions reflect on your faction. you really think anybody here reading what you type would want to join QQme after seeing your posts? i know you can be a really nice guy, even to me, which at the time really surprised me. this servers mindset has switched from faction rivalries to having fun, the way you are going about trying to compete with vicious in TW is not working, and will not work. you need to inspire people, not namecall the other guys and hope it works. good luck john, i really mean that, because at this rate luck is all that you have.
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  • Phobik_ - Raging Tide
    Phobik_ - Raging Tide Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    So, i was told to come look at this thread saw it was like 26 pages and thought linky!

    I'm kinda sure no one in everyone hates theo squad cares about beating vicious..... Or any other faction....
  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
    Spell_Caster - Raging Tide Posts: 2,216 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    spell, i know you are just trying to get entertainment from the forums by making people rage, but let me be honest with you for a second. this is not meant to flame, be mean, or otherwise harm you or QQme as a whole, but your actions reflect on your faction. you really think anybody here reading what you type would want to join QQme after seeing your posts? i know you can be a really nice guy, even to me, which at the time really surprised me. this servers mindset has switched from faction rivalries to having fun, the way you are going about trying to compete with vicious in TW is not working, and will not work. you need to inspire people, not namecall the other guys and hope it works. good luck john, i really mean that, because at this rate luck is all that you have.

    My faction might not be ready to fight Vicious yet. We do not have the man-power nor the strength to fight Vicious.

    You think that after 3 years, I am going to become a chameleon and not sleep at night, thinking " What are people gonna say if I say this or that in a Video game?"

    I speak my mind! I dont impose other people not to speak their mind. I am not even rude. I got over even getting mad or angry coz people curse and insult me. If it makes them feel better afterwards, then I am a blessing for humanity!
    If someone hates you for no reason, then give that **** a reason!b:chuckle
  • Epros - Raging Tide
    Epros - Raging Tide Posts: 1,720 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    My faction might not be ready to fight Vicious yet. We do not have the man-power nor the strength to fight Vicious.

    You think that after 3 years, I am going to become a chameleon and not sleep at night, thinking " What are people gonna say if I say this or that in a Video game?"

    I speak my mind! I dont impose other people not to speak their mind. I am not even rude. I got over even getting mad or angry coz people curse and insult me. If it makes them feel better afterwards, then I am a blessing for humanity!

    what im getting at though, is speaking your mind in such an abrasive manner is not helping you get the manpower to fight vicious. im not suggesting you not say what you think, just find a more tactful way to say it.
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  • BungaSakura - Raging Tide
    BungaSakura - Raging Tide Posts: 902 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    My faction might not be ready to fight Vicious yet. We do not have the man-power nor the strength to fight Vicious.

    You think that after 3 years, I am going to become a chameleon and not sleep at night, thinking " What are people gonna say if I say this or that in a Video game?"

    I speak my mind! I dont impose other people not to speak their mind. I am not even rude. I got over even getting mad or angry coz people curse and insult me. If it makes them feel better afterwards, then I am a blessing for humanity!

    half way of ur method is good but the other half is negative. u can see how Man's method, damn he is really hard to resist b:cute
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