Vindicate unbeatable?

Daruvial - Sanctuary wrote: »

wow someone in enelysion that's actually reasonable. although i dont understand why people think vindi only wins cause of gear..

When its obviously fashion.

Daruvial - Sanctuary wrote: »

wow someone in enelysion that's actually reasonable. although i dont understand why people think vindi only wins cause of gear..

Oh no don't get me wrong. I think it's mentioned mostly about the gear because it does give a little less leeway in the amount of "skill" or "coordination" needed in a Tw, but even so they seem to work very well together and know how to get things done.

Right, lets get a few things straightened out first...

In regards to the spawnkilling, which seems so be the main thing being discussed here, there are no rules against it. And yes, I know that every faction does it at least once. As an officer of Enelysion I can say for sure that those who we catch doing it will be adressed about it, regardless whether it's a member, officer or even one of leadership.

Personally I am not a fan of it, in fact I hate it and refrain from doing it. But that does not mean that it is forbidden or what not and whether it's a tactic or not I'll leave that up for debate. If any opponent witnesses one of our members spawnkilling, by all means pm me during the TW, I have no issues to talk about it.

Vindicate is a strong opponent, they have some very skilled players and are aiming to remain nr.1 on the server, which is nothing more than logic in my book. Whether their actions caused by some were right? Maybe yes, maybe no, that is a personal opinion but when I visited W.Arch the other day and spotted talk about it there were several Vindi members assuring me that they were told not to spawn kill. I know their word is true and yes, actions caused by a few individuals cannot be 'blamed' on a whole faction.

Enelysion wasn't butthurt, let me make that clear, and personally I find it hilarious to see non-Vindi members talk smack in World Chat after Vindi defeated us. We may or may not have the current force to stop them but for us it was a test. I have both friends and 'enemies' in Vindi but I do respect the faction as a whole, just like I expect them to respect us whether some of us get along or not.

In the end it's just a game and some people do take it more seriously than others, as if their lives depend on it or something. Personally, I just do it for the fun, kill as many people as I can and move on. You win some, you lose some you know ?

Just saying b:laugh

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

This isn't about H&SM behaving. I dont give a **** about spawn killing and I'm not their ****ing catholic school teacher waiting to shake my finger and paddle them if they hurt someone's feelings. This was about Enelysion's hypocrisy, and the fact that they think they're entitled to QQ about spawnkill and bite the hand that fed them. Don't go there with the parading around as an Enely good guy because no one here who has ever had to deal with Enely will buy into that ****.

Read my post again please, there's no need for you to talk about hypocrisy if what you saw was done by few. As a matter of fact, and you can ask SOcean this, is that when I, personally, hear of someone spawnkilling I tell them off. If you cannot believe my word, or that of others, at least believe your faction leader's word.

This is a fact, just saying...

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

This isn't about H&SM behaving. I dont give a **** about spawn killing and I'm not their ****ing catholic school teacher waiting to shake my finger and paddle them if they hurt someone's feelings. This was about Enelysion's hypocrisy, and the fact that they think they're entitled to QQ about spawnkill and bite the hand that fed them. Don't go there with the parading around as an Enely good guy because no one here who has ever had to deal with Enely will buy into that ****.

All factions that have had to "deal" with Enely have done so by their own choice. Enelysion is not an aggressive faction as many have pointed out. But that doesn't mean they are going to sit around and let other factions wail on them for fun.

As for being good guys, I don't think there are any good guys on this server.

me shy girlb:cute

MadSkiIIz - Sanctuary wrote: »

Vindi might also win equal fights, but they've never been tested this way cuz their gear is simply overpowering.

One thing i saw for myself, being the critical person that i am, is that vindi doesn't start off with R20+9000 SUPAjosd gear. Thats just the typical excuse pple tell themselves so they can feel better about themselves and their faction. Sure there are a handful of original vindi that are OP geared like any OTHER faction out there, but alot of whom joined, weren't in vindi to start off with. Also these guys are way more active and its a overall smoother step by step process in gear upgrades if your active along with them.

IllumiZoldyk - Sanctuary wrote: »

Read my post again please, there's no need for you to talk about hypocrisy if what you saw was done by few. As a matter of fact, and you can ask SOcean this, is that when I, personally, hear of someone spawnkilling I tell them off. If you cannot believe my word, or that of others, at least believe your faction leader's word.

This is a fact, just saying...

just saying... SOceans word isnt exactly trustworthy as the whole of old endeavour knows that he outright lied to LeoNerd about making an attack on Ende land.
The hypocrisy that is talked about goes both ways. A few individuals doing a 'bad' thing does not speak for the whole of the faction. Likewise a few individuals doing a 'good' thing and parading like its speaking for the whole of the faction is also fake advertisement. The latter is what was going on. Thus why cute little rain there pooped an iron brick right now.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Thus why cute little rain there pooped an iron brick right now.

Yes I can see how my festive decorative stars may have given off that impression

please tell me what exactly u want us to do to satisfy you
cuz seems to me like ur just throwing random hate-comments in there hoping someone cares

Obviously you care enough to respond, hate to sound cliche but that is what just happened. FYI if I was actually making hate comments, they'd be very specific and clear rather than random. You sound like you're trying to dare me to say something, but on the other hand you also sound like a poor, ignorant fool.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

One thing i saw for myself, being the critical person that i am, is that vindi doesn't start off with R20+9000 SUPAjosd gear. Thats just the typical excuse pple tell themselves so they can feel better about themselves and their faction. Sure there are a handful of original vindi that are OP geared like any OTHER faction out there, but alot of whom joined, weren't in vindi to start off with. Also these guys are way more active and its a overall smoother step by step process in gear upgrades if your active along with them.

I see no point in this even being in this thread in the slightest........ Who cares where the members come from? If they are in the faction at the point of Tw and are better geared then they have a significant higher chance of winning. Period. Who cares how they get there gear? They can cash shop fully R9 third cast +12 JOSD, they can merchent it, whatever they wish too, the end result is that Vindi have more members with the higher tiered gear than others AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

Give it a couple of months and the other factions will have caught up and it might be more interesting Tw's for them but atm they are winning because they have a significantly higher chance when they enter. This even excluding how they play there char, how prepared they are and how well they work together.

At least we know one thing for sure, Legendary isnt even saying anything cuz their all trash and I broke their faction apart

MadSkiIIz - Sanctuary wrote: »

'stuff

amount of ppl with that gear in vindi = 20 (?? sound about right)
amount of ppl with that gear in enelysion = 0 b:thanks

i r tard

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indeed there others out there not in vindi. I know that common sense eludes you but seriously why would any +12JOSD reside in enelysion when they are a faction that scurries away from challenging fights all they been fighting are either small, dead, or dying factions. You have to be pretty slow not to realize that.

____BM____ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I see no point in this even being in this thread in the slightest........ Who cares where the members come from? If they are in the faction at the point of Tw and are better geared then they have a significant higher chance of winning. Period. Who cares how they get there gear? They can cash shop fully R9 third cast +12 JOSD, they can merchent it, whatever they wish too, the end result is that Vindi have more members with the higher tiered gear than others AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

Give it a couple of months and the other factions will have caught up and it might be more interesting Tw's for them but atm they are winning because they have a significantly higher chance when they enter. This even excluding how they play there char, how prepared they are and how well they work together.

You see no point because you want to cherry pick that single thing to use as an excuse for your flaws. "AT THIS POINT IN TIME" is redundant because at any given point in time, most any faction has had these pple in their faction. I find it re tarded that a couple months back, or even a year back, it was not vindi who had these top notch geared pple but one of the other TW factions. Enely has been in this circle too before, when R9 first came out. Whether or not the factions capably utilized their resources and keep them is another story. All im saying is each big TW faction had their chance to grasp these individuals

''I know that common sense eludes you but seriously why would any +12JOSD reside in enelysion when they are a faction that scurries away from challenging fights all they been fighting are either small, dead, or dying factions.''

''Sure there are a handful of original vindi that are OP geared like any OTHER faction out there''

2 posts, 1 day b:surrender u managed to say the exact opposite thing within 1 day, u ever thought about gettin into politics? -_- as for me im giving up on you and shall consider ur posts non-existant

Ganden - Sanctuary wrote: »

Their all noobs if you ask me, All they used was a credit card. No skill involved. Move on and stop complaining

didnt you quit?

ICielos - Sanctuary wrote: »

people dont really quit, I love you Daru b:dirty

they never quit, they roll alts.....

why does it sound like now, ene ppl are claiming that they don't have ANY highly refined and geared players......?

i just don't get it, why is the running line that vindi = r9rr? i've seen other toons without vindicate over their heads with it.

the last three pages just seem like damage control to me. just finding another way to scream boo hoo instead of keeping it moving.


so in summation,

spawn-killing is a useless tactic to complain about as any faction worth the coin they bid with will do it if they can.

ene is admittedly "not an aggressive faction"...... unless their opponents are weaker than them.

QQ vindi has good gear.....QQ no use opposing or even signing up (thats LG's problem no?) because we are going to lose anyway..... QQ hatez on teh cash shoppers (who make it possible for you to farm your gear and obtain items from boutique....b:cry

the end.


*request to close?*

all guilds at this server sooooooo stupid , now its best chance to att vindi stupid no way they can manage 7 defence at same time .

so go and destroy vindi nobs loool