bots 4, players 1

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think I remember the video you're talking about, then one with an army of pink haired Venos? I was planning on recording in another game, one that's got far more bots than PWI. Over 1/4th the players are actually bots.

Thats why the title of this post is Bots 4, Players 1.

It is a problem that should be nipped in the bud before it gets worse.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not really an insane amount of bots in game at the moment, but knowing PWE they won't nip it in the bud. They don't even bother with half-decent anti bot measures.

When is the last time you tried farming your herbs for apo?
Its extremely difficult cuz of the amount of botters, and they only dig Devilwood
and Scented Fungus then move on to next batch and get them, unless the other
bots have beat them to it, then they continue on to next batch.

I been a true farmer for many years, and I can say since NW started, the bots are at
at truely insane amount, AND the people who bot, dont even care if they are reported.
This bot died in heaven, so i wc'd the bots name name and said would the owner of xxxxxxxxxx pls report to heaven your bot is dead. They pm'd me (ss'd ofc) and said I was not the first noob to report them for botting, wont be the last, and they would still be here daily.

To see this bot and that bot trying to dig the same herb as the other bot, it gets funny.
They all just stand at same spot, once herb gone, they all run away together to next patch, real players dont stand a chance.

The GM button should actually work, not just be their for show.

what is bot?

darknessofmy wrote: »

Solving the bot problem is quit the game.

I got a better way on this, and it dont envole quitting, not quiet yet at least. GM's dont wanna leason to post's and vote polls, fine. Well then leason to this. I WILL NOT PUT ANOTHER CENT ON THIS GAME UNTIL THESE BOT'S HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
You want my money then, do something about them. And really if anyone else wants these bot's gone as much as I think u all do, u'll do the same.
Let's take away the one thing they want us to give them, until they do something.

darknessofmy wrote: »

However, what most people fail to realize, is that the people that play these games are interested in gaining levels fast, and getting the most out of their gaming experience. The most effective way to do this is to access the cash items. If you can do this, you're going to get where you want to be a lot faster, and with much more style, in most cases. Who cares what the price of something is, so long as it satisfies the person purchasing it?

Wow, ur really not getting it. If everyone refuese to give PWI the money they so much want. They will have no choice but to remove bot's to keep the money coming in. So what if they still got a few chas players that are botting atm still giveing them money. It's not ganna be enough for what they want it for. We get more and more to refuse to give PWI the money they want, the more money they will loose out on. It's what they want from us all, the money. Take away what they want the most, they will do anything to keep thier money coming in. I know this.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The only problem is nobody is willing to do this on a large enough scale to have any impact at all.

U maybe surprised on what people would do to get what they want done. And plus, if they dont wanna to stop putting money on to remove a bot problem, then all thier post's and that agenst bot's have been nothing but lies. If they really do care about this problem, they do what it takes to resove it.

Bowncr - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wow, ur really not getting it. If everyone refuese to give PWI the money they so much want. They will have no choice but to remove bot's to keep the money coming in. So what if they still got a few chas players that are botting atm still giveing them money. It's not ganna be enough for what they want it for. We get more and more to refuse to give PWI the money they want, the more money they will loose out on. It's what they want from us all, the money. Take away what they want the most, they will do anything to keep thier money coming in. I know this.

The number of people who spend money on in-game purchases is growing. why people pull out their wallets is the importance that is attached to creative freedom. Social games may not be as competitive or adventurous as

Bowncr - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why u guys even start this thread on it then? If it wasnt to try and get something done about it. You dont get heard one way, then u try another way.

You really don't get the point. Why so many people who spend money on game? Bot don't affect the market.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think I remember the video you're talking about, then one with an army of pink haired Venos? I was planning on recording in another game, one that's got far more bots than PWI. Over 1/4th the players are actually bots.

Yeah, I think that might be the one. I just remember like 30 or 40 little veno bots with beetles running around the untamed starter area.

All I can say is, thanks to things like bots, greed killing the economy, and the continually failing community in-game, I am quickly losing my desire to play this game and spend more time with PWI on my private server.

One thing is for sure. I haven't personally spent any money on this game since Rising Tide released, and have no intention of doing so. The Dev's won't bother to fix things that would take less than 5 minutes of coding. (I know because I've done it.) The game is completely mis-managed, and the marketing team is smoking crack.

I'm sure V4liance and others like him do what they can, but for the most part, their hands are tied by Wanmei, and trying to even communicate is like pulling teeth from an elephant.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

People have complained about bots for years. People have complained about R9 sales for years. People have complained about a great many things for years, yet no action gets taken because the majority of people don't care about the issue enough to band together and force PWE to deliver a solution. This is no different, the people who care about botters are mainly farmers, it doesn't affect a cash shopper's income in the slightest and actually helps them get cheaper pots. The cash shoppers are the ones that would have to stop spending, so if you think people banding together and not paying for stuff will get PWE to do something then good luck, you're really gonna need it for the reasons I just stated.

What is happening is this: the bot issue disgusts a few people enough to quit;
the R9 sales disgusts a few people enough to quit; a great many things over the
years have each disgusted a few people enough to quit. etc., etc. No big, showy
mass exodus. Just a constant, quiet trickling away of players over the years.
The only players that remain are the hard-core cs'ers, and a remnant of those
that still piddle around with the game remembering the good times (like me, lol).

The game as was originally designed no longer exists. It's been changed to a
formula made to push players to high levels, hope they are competitive and
affluent, and then sit back & watch them spend. The things that were so
attractive to new players are virtually gone; therefore, very few new people
are entering the game. Sure, they might try it, but most will probably grow
bored by the lack of challenge in the early levels, or discouraged when
realizing the necessity of spending big $$ to get where they want. So they
quit.

In essence, what PWI has now is a player base consisting almost solely of
hard-core, competitive cs'ers. This is the player base they want; this is
the player base they cater to. But these players will eventually quit as
well, with no new players coming in to fill their places.

And we all know what will happen then.

I will always be amazed at the short-sightedness of PW concerning this
game.

Frodoteabagg - Dreamweaver wrote: »

kinda sad that pwi is not banning these bots/players for cheating. I know a few bots that has been turned in,and a week later there back botting. A wizard on dreamweaver botted his way to perfection has +12 gear and weapon and full of JOSD. He has botted and still continues. he says he see me in hell and other faction members farming in heaven/hell but it is funny i never EVER seen this cat in either instance. He sales apo/herb dirt cheap and always has full inventory of them. I myself want put a dime in to this game, tired of being slapped in the face by the gms/pwi staff. i will say that at least 1 mod has kept in touch with me about this issue at hand. the mod has been awesome, kudos to the mod. Val the gm and other gms are a myth like the chupacabra. also like to add customer service is terrible. they need to do something about this bottn problem, dont know why they want cause alot of other games bann PERMANTLY if caught cheating

What's really surprising is this....
1. If botters do get banned, it's merely for a few hours or days. We know this because they are back within a week, botting all over again.

2. This discussion has been going on for over a month and not a single GM has posted anything about it. If I were a GM, and actually cared about my community, I would be looking into it, and would have posted something to that regard ages ago. (And I say this from experience from being not only a GM, but a developer as well.)

3. The only assumption that I can truly come up with is that they are blatantly allowing the botters because it gives them an excuse to remove our methods for obtaining coin in game, (DQ nerfs and Delta reward removal), thus forcing more people to resort to pulling out that plastic and feeding the beast to continue.

4. The alternative is that they plan to drop the game shortly and have no intentions of fixing anything.
It's really sad though, that a guy with a $200 blade server, can run a more efficient game server with fewer bugs than a multi-million dollar company with a full team of developers. I mean really, if anything is absolutely pathetic, that is.

I say we all spam PM V4liance, genotypist, darthpanda16, Sutr, DefenderofDreams, Do0cracy, and any other GM's you know until we get a firm response from them or the company. Not a "we're looking into it" lame response, but a specific response on what's going to be done to take care of this issue immediately.

Edit: I just sent out my message. I also am going to resurrect this thread and will follow up as much as I can with trying to get a hold of someone that gives a more of a damn about the community than ripping players off.

ty thunder, but is'nt bottin breaking ToS like i earlier posted http://www.perfectworld.com/about/terms look at Rule #10-k . bots are breaking the rules, kinda hypocritical they permantly bann someone for innapropiate language but not for cheating. ty for the link it will be useful thunder

i saw some1 sell 4000+ Do-All cards in cof within 2 days, that's at least 2m dq points, botters were not only earning money on selling dq mats, but also on dq point rewards.


i think bound dq point rewards are pretty fair to everyone.

GMs just need to altered the dq mats/points system.

Why do the bots bother you? Just because someone chooses to play a different way you're going to let it upset you? Seriously people need to stop caring how others play the game and just be happy with how you play it.
People argue that how others play the game (Or lack thereof) doesn't affect you. So why worry about botters and how they choose to get their levels? Just because they choose to get levels "unfairly", well, that's THEIR choice, they risk being banned and you can choose to ignore it and not let it bother you.

haywiz wrote: »

Seriously?

Lets all go out and rob banks and get rich too while we are at it, cuz it may be unfair, and illegal, but is my choice rather than to get a job.............thats the equilivant of what your suggesting. Grow up.

You can, and SHOULD ignore how other players play the game, because it's not your business or your problem. Just report them if you want and move on.