Clerics. What pisses you guys off or annoys you when your in a squad?

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

Some of tese clerics even want to BB if u tell them the boss will interrupt because " I wont die to AoE then " though they have 3,2k HP or above which is enough.....

Lol, magic ornie clerics... I've seen them hit for almost 5k by his aoe because of horrible defenses.

I've had sins ask for bb at the exp room boss. Why? Because they wanted to tank and where too squishy without bb's damage reduction to tank the attacks and the aoe. So I obliged, knowing I could recover when it got knocked down. It works just fine, you just need to put bb up, cloud erupt, wait for it to get knocked down to put the next one up, cloud erupt.... One nice thing about sins tanking is they get to dd as much as the can and so bosses die quicker before too many interupts.


Things that annoy me as a cleric. Metal squads where the ranged players immediately attack the Vile boss and pull him on top of me so the aps dd's have to chase him, and then his stun knocks down bb each time.

Well I hear what you said above about Lunar, Ive done a couple lately where the barb runs freaking miles away. I holy path and when that stops the barb is still running and still bloody miles away. Usually the barb only does this because they are near invincible but I still feel like an idiot arriving 10seconds after they started killing mobs.

Couple days ago I did Snake with a 101bm. Now I dont know if he was having a bad day but he kept insisting on him doing one pull to boss and was getting p.issed that no one else wanted to. (he had refined r8 I think and 16k hp) Anyway we did the first two groups the normal way and he was raging about how long it was taking. So we humoured him and let him do the big pull. I pretty much ran behind him wondering how the hell I was supposed to live - my plan was to pray and hope. Suffice to say that didnt work and all the aoe's killed me (through my charm) before I even started channeling BB. The whole squad wiped and the bm quit. We then finished Snake with no further issues doing it the normal way with a barb.

Funny thing was on another Snake later I asked the barb (21k hp) about the bm's ideas and he told me it was nonsense and a full pull is only viable with a really op squad - which we werent that day with the bm. I guess impatient people annoy me because they usually cost the squad time due to failures.

LadySerenwyn - Sanctuary wrote: »

In lunar when any DD grabs a mob group "for chi" right as barb begins pulling, then doesn't aoe so I can't toss them a few IHs as I start running after the barb. It's invariably my fault when they then die.

Barbs with unconventional methods who just run off ahead and expect us to read minds. Fair enough if you want to do something different, just tell me what you're going to do before you pull, thanks. Oh and wait a bit if say I'm not good on chi and holy path before you do several pulls in a row. My genie and pot cooldown isn't all that fast you know.

You would love me on my veno, Lunar is the only PVE place I play my veno beside cleric or mystic and the other day I did multi runs and the 3 clerics told me I was the best veno ever and the only veno to chi them, so they was able to keep genie to holy path beside use cloud eruption and be out for holy path.

If there's a veno ask him/her to chi you 2 times AFTER you set BB, the fact that you don't need to build chi after each pull will save more time than if the stupid veno keep is chi to 3 spark.

For the Warsong part, well some people don't understand that if they can handle a full pull not everyone can. A lot of clerics don't have the gears to survive the AOE of full pull in metal, a lot actually die before even be able to reach the group and BB.

These day people are just crazy hurry and want to do everything in 5 minutes and less.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

You would love me on my veno, Lunar is the only PVE place I play my veno beside cleric or mystic and the other day I did multi runs and the 3 clerics told me I was the best veno ever and the only veno to chi them, so they was able to keep genie to holy path beside use cloud eruption and be out for holy path.

If there's a veno ask him/her to chi you 2 times AFTER you set BB, the fact that you don't need to build chi after each pull will save more time than if the stupid veno keep is chi to 3 spark.

For the Warsong part, well some people don't understand that if they can handle a full pull not everyone can. A lot of clerics don't have the gears to survive the AOE of full pull in metal, a lot actually die before even be able to reach the group and BB.

These day people are just crazy hurry and want to do everything in 5 minutes and less.

Disagree to some extent. Depends on the genie, mine does cloud eruption and 2 holy paths besides. Plus I always carry around charger orbs for good measure. Not that I dont' appreciate the venos filling my chi up, ofc ;o just that I dont' rely on it.

Also, a lot of clerics are really noob geared, because you don't need great gears to get by as a cleric. That mentality holds some clerics back from achieving what they could be a lot, I feel. At higher gear lvls, the cleric is the ideal puller, due to the ability to self-heal until weapon purify procs---assuming you can convince squad to stay out of mob aoes until bb goes up, lol.

Part of the problem is, when a squad of people who are used to a certain level of competency and speed, get thrown in with some people whose gear... really can't handle the normal tactics. Ideally you squad with people of like mindset and gear, but that isn't always possible to control. I believe there has to be some mutual understanding here. Just like its sometimes necessary for the better geared to slow down a notch, it also wouldn't kill the lesser geared to try to step up their game a bit, even if its something as simple as using an apoth at the end of a big mob pull(so many never do!), not to mention a CHARM lol...

Just my thoughts, for what they are worth ;o

LadySerenwyn - Sanctuary wrote: »

I've been uncharmed for a few weeks now, all my coins go on gear. I've been very careful to make sure this doesn't affect my squads, and 99.9% of the time, it doesn't. I've made myself a g16 weapon and 2 g16 armour parts, and I'm about 1/3 of the way to recasting my r8 weapon to try for purify. If I'd been buying charms and apoth I wouldn't even be close to having one part.

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For me, communication and patience are important - as well as not judging a book by its cover. There are some very pro lower geared people around. They may not be as fast, but how can they be? Many lesser geared people can and do try step up their game but it's often not enough to satisfy/be noticed by higher geared people, and, judging by the amount of abuse I've had directed at myself and other poorly geared people I know (BEFORE squads have even seen us in action) player attitudes don't make anyone feel encouraged. As you said, mutual understanding is needed, but from what I've seen it's in very short supply.

I almost never use charms, but for NW and TW they are a must. I tend to put one on Saturday and kill it Sunday after NW. For PvE its almost like cheating and takes alot of the fun out of the game. So many "pros" or people "soloing" only can do that because they have a charm, and to me thats not soloing and they would have died at every turn without the extra charm I personally would prefer to invest that 5-8m into actual gear refines. This was a discussion with a friend who was a 6k hp Sin, never was uncharmed, but couldn't afford decent refines... Thats because she was spending 20m a week on charms. On the other hand, one friend was "soloing" 3-1 with a charm. They could do about 15-20 runs with a plat charm and could survive even if purged by GBA boss so the charms was making them money.

Apos,... is there really an excuse to not have these, like charger orbs? I mean, the mats to make them are just laying on the ground. Its just laziness if you don't have these. Even better, they're a cheap way to get extra coin for gear.

And I really don't agree to the self entitlement the undergeared feel towards the better geared. "You're +10. You should be helping us." Sanctuary is really bad about it. It was even worse when Nirvana was around with 2 aps +4 people feeling like they were entitled to run with +10 5 aps G15s, like it was their right. I'm sorry, but I've spent hundreds of hours farming all my gear and I deserve to reap the benefits of faster runs that the gear allows. Just because some people haven't had the time (or for some people, invested the money) doesn't mean we should have to bring them along so you can get your gear easier.

The same goes with people who **** and complain that "you're r9, its not a problem for you to run my BH39." Then act like you're a jerk because you wont do their BHs for them.

People should run with similarly geared people, imo. If I'm running with better geared people, I'm not always able to contribute equally. If I'm running with poorer geared people, I end up doing more of the work. If they're okay running with me despite mypoorer gear, great! That's nice of them and I end up getting a share disproportionate to the amount of work (1/6 the split, even though I could only contribute 1/15th the dd).

But I do really agree with communication and patience. There are two sides to this, as well. I ran a Lunar the other day and the cleric in the squad was the worst I've ever seen. No bubble on the pulls, we'd say "umm... bubble where was the bubble?" And she'd put it up then, after the mobs were dead. The barb would shout "Not here! Up at the next turn, I'll pull down the left path and end where it opens up" then politely wait for the cleric to chi up again but the cleric would say "okay" and start running through the mobs.... This happened a few times. No rez scrolls. Build problems. Did not holy path or try to keep up. But we ignored that and just focused on our level 101 cleric learning to do the instance. Everytime they would do something stoopid we'd whisper each other rude comments and be laughing, but we were always polite and patient in the chat and helped them through.

Just once I wanted them to admit they'd never been there or weren't the original player or something but they never did. Luckily we had a surprisingly relaxed squad.

Other times the squads aren't so patient. Barbs and sins are notoriously the worst as they run off ahead, the sins doing it because they don't need the cleric heals but clerics almost insist on healing them despite them needing it or not (then the cleric bishes like crazy when they get heal aggro or if the sin dies). Barbs do it because they are supposed to be the first ahead. If they're not in front the dd's start pulling mobs and single groups and you have multiple tanks and things slow down and its hard to start a pull because dd's keep pulling more before the current set is dead.

Btw, if you're a cleric and you put up a bb immediately hit cloud eruption. No one puts up a bb for only a few seconds. It's almost always at minimum 15-30 seconds and by then your genie should be mostly charged. Usually its closer to 60 seconds and you can get 2 cloud eruptions in and still be full before mobs are dead. Anything less and a barbs roar will hold aggro at least that long or squad heals will do. Instead they wait till they are dropping bb to use CE. I used to also so I could have my genie to AD in case bb dropped and I could AD the squad while I put up another bb but since AD is no longer a squad buff its best to CE right when bubble is up.

I personally keep my pots for PVP and TW.

Not every cleric use CE.

Veno have Lending hand and should use it sometime.

I personally consider veno as support and when veno don't or refuse to chi the cleric (or who ever ask) the veno is the one to blame not the cleric.

I hate when people will tell clerics to use CE, charger orb or white tea, on my veno in a lunar run I don't need a single apo pot, mp, and hp pot, why obligate cleric to farm herbs for pot cause the veno is too selfish to pass chi?

On my cleric that cost me a lot of mp pots, I don't want to waste more money on apo pots cause veno are too nab to use their support skill.

If there's no veno then it's the cleric job to ask to wait if need to build chi, he is in BB he have time to type ''Pls before next pull give me 10 seconds to build chi thx''.

But ye as I said in a earlier post people are so hurry in that game that they get angry if they need to wait 10 seconds on a cleric building chi.

It's a game for fun and to relax, in the lunars run I go people do around 6-7 pulls, so even if there was no veno is it the end of the world 1 minute total for a cleric to build chi?

At least it's for the good of the squad, it's not the moron going afk 3 minutes to take a beer in the middle of the run or the idiot that after the timer of bh snake say ''brb make coffee'' ... they had 15 freaking minutes to do w/e they want, why they wait the squad to be ready to freaking go afk, that **** me off, a cleric asking a few seconds to build chi no.

Sometime when a bm sin or w/e die and get ress they do ask time to build chi (generally by duel) and everyone is ok with that, so why cleric should use pots and genie for it while other class don't?

Unfortunately a lot of PWI players are a bunch of impatient people. People act like everything was a tm run that's just sad. I remember back in time when squad was use to communicate and ask ''cleric ready you got chi?'' while now people don't say a single word and run everywhere and blame cleric for everything.

Anyway in resume all I mean is when a cleric ask nicely the veno to chi him and the veno answer no, then the veno is stupid.

A veno in squad or not, as a cleric you are responsible of your own chi, mana and healing. A venomancer is support class and can pass chi, yes. There are, however, always venos who don't feel like passing chi... I am always prepared for anything possible in squad as a healer to do my job right at least (unless the squad is full of unorganized jerks... then they can rush ahead and die).

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Yesterday I got really ashamed of the cleric class.

I was in BH 51 with my lvl 66 archer.. we had a 6x sin, 5x sin with fb, 6x seeker and strenght barb... and a lvl 95 cleric. Said cleric never spoke a word after joining in squad. In mobs he did not heal the str barb (who takes more damage than a regular vit barb at those levels) instead he spammed IH on himself and aggroed mobs, causing them all rush on him and make it harder for squad to kill them. Needless to say, I had highest HP in the whole squad with my archer - 4,3k buffed. Cleric had only pitiful 3,5k at that level and barb+seeker were right behind me with 4,1k HP.

As we continued clearing I actually pulled aggro from this cleric with one single hit (lol) and he never healed me, obviously the barb also never had time to aggro the mobs. I managed to kill the mobs on me before I died, luckily.

As we continued to Fushma, cleric DDed over half the time and healed barb right when he was dying. On that point I thought to kick the cleric out of squad and get my barb in but I thought it might get better so I waited.

Rankar. Was. Awful.

Cleric goes right next to the boss and uses CHB on barb right when he is dying, again, and other time DDs. Barb actually got killed, I had aggro, cleric never healed me and instead ressed barb. I ccould have tanked rankar with my HP but I died due to the lack of heals. Barb gets up and dies by AoE - cleric didnt heal him in time. I get ressed, ress bit further from rankar and I get killed by AoE as well. Same happens to barbarian few times more and seeker is running around with the boss. Finally we all get up and continue killing. Cleric leaves barb die again, bit of running again, barb is up and gets boss killed - and dies again. I kick the cleric out of squad, get my barb in and solo the dungeon to end.

Wow, Colum. That cleric was complete **** if they didn't understand them being free to res meant there is a different current tank. Any good cleric would IB stack the new tank if they prove able to survive, res barb, IB spam some more, buff barb. Though the bad thing would be the barb then decides "I R Tank", proceeds to aggro, and dies. Nowadays people get locked in the role they want, and they don't spend time thinking of what they can currently accomplish. Especially when they'd just have to wait for everyone alive and then IB spam swap-over before grabbing aggro.

The aggro you grabbed was likely because the mobs were all only heal aggroed on the cleric by the cleric. If the cleric was doing something to lure them into a group to AoE, you messed up. If the cleric was single DDing, the cleric is terrible. As long as everyone else could deal decent damage, it would be sped up by him getting aggro with an AoE that let's the team single target and kill as the cleric finished up the rest.

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

@ Sylvae

I grabbed aggro off her when she was using a single attack skill on mob, I thought to help and attacked same one. Bam, aggro.Bam, no heals, the cleric keeps attacking same mob.

She never got heal aggro, she rather tempested the mob groups and got aggro on her and ignored the whole other squad while trying to solo and aggro all 3 mobs per group and also loosing aggro pretty quickly to the DDs... it was badly coordinated and hard to DD for any of us because mobs could switch aggro to anyone. I would have rather waited for the barb to get aggro and DD one mob than try to save a suicidal cleric (she didnt plume shell herself and got herself almost killed many times by aggroing them all)

....she was dieing to 3 mobs? Heck, she was wasting time AoEing 3 mobs? Yeah, that cleric really doesn't understand the concept of DPS as well as their class then. And if they attacked a mob and lost it in one attack, wouldn't surprise me if they were vit build with low lvl AoE attacks.

I pick up drops... when I have inventory space still lol.

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Aeliah

When u die in a boss or something because they dragged it too close to you etc they finish the kill and pick up drops before I'm ressed (if other cleric in squad).

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Yup often when I'm on my mystic or was on my wizz and told tell to don't plume shot they was answering ''Play your class and I'll play mine'' than i say nicely that plume don't do damage on immune physical damage boss and they say ''Yes it does'' ... *sigh*

yeah, I had the same experice. When I was on psy doing caster with my faction mates, clerics DD on boss and refused to set BB. I pmed her to tell her to set BB, she replied me:"I know how to play a cleric". At that point, I really wished that I could drop squad and PK her. But I didnt want to get kicked from faction, QQ. But I refused to do anything with her after it.

snowball0210 wrote: »

b:kiss I want to go with you. From my experience, only venos pass chi to me because they also have a cleric alt. Other than this, I dont get chi from veno at all.

Eh, I have the hardest time remembering to pass sparks on my veno. I am an excellent debuffer/amper, I crowd control, I occupy mobs with my pets so they don't damage players, etc... But all that debuffing burns a ton of chi which is hard to build up with slower channeling skills

Similarly, I always chi myself on my cleric anyways with good habits like cloud erupting after bb is up, stacking my tanks (to help build chi before engaging mobs), and since I'm demon I often will pass sparks to squadmates by spamming vanguard and magic shell and that chi's me up too. My mp regen rate is around 90/sec so it really doesn't even cost me anything to do all this.

So, while the cleric is sitting there going "spark pls. Spark pls. Spark pls." I'm having to stop attacking to use sage chi skill, stop using my tangling mire to use cloud erupt, and take the time to pass a spark to a person sitting in a bubble with cloud eruption on their genie and full genie energy. So I pass sparks instead of debuffing and things slow down.

Despite all that I really try to always pass sparks but the dependency on venos for sparks is ridiculous. Chiing up is each players own responsibility. If a veno tosses you a spark instead of the barb or bm or using it for themselves you're lucky and it should be considered a favor. Get cloud erupt on your genie just in case.

HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »

Whenever you do BHs, you pay 200k for wines that save you 20 minutes.

It seems about 95% of the BHs done nowadays are BH100, so I assume you mean Aba or Seat. Who are you running with that wining saves 20 minutes? The BH takes my sin about 11 minutes to clear every mob unwined to the boss and it goes faster on my barb, bm, and seeker since I can zhen them. And thats solo. Wining saves about 30 seconds, since I do the same pulls as if it were unwined there's just a few less mobs to aoe when I do.

For the most part the person wining causes things to slow down since they say "I'll get wine" and the squad stands at the start for 5-10 minutes while they buy tokens, go to the boutique agent, craft it, then go trade that for the instance wine, and get inside.

I actually avoid "free wine" squads since it always makes me scared thinking "what sort of squad needs to wine this instance? Its happened a dozen times where I joined squad, hopped inside, and cleared to boss before the winer was even inside. Most of them still wine us going "at the boss, come on" >.<

HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »

IA cleric who is consistently late because he is constantly picking up 20 coins here and there i would probably blacklist and never invite to my squad again. If its gonna cause deaths, i might kick him from my squad.

Those are much better options than just helping them pickup coins so the squad benefits, too... Especially since you get a share of the coin they've picked up for you.