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ok, I go back to what the gentlemen quoted me on. (I'm on my phone, but be sure to know that they did say that it would be changed so that info is true
) so stop qq'ing xD 0 -
b:victoryok, I go back to what the gentlemen quoted me on. (I'm on my phone, but be sure to know that they did say that it would be changed so that info is true) so stop qq'ing xD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
~Demon as of 5/6/12 - On the night where the moon is closer to the earth and brighter than any other night in the past 18 years.~
Slow and steady stays alive~ I'm in no rush, I'm enjoying the journey to end game just as it was ment to be. b:victory
"You sir, are why I love clerics
" < Liba - Heaven's Tear
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Lol xD thats what I thought I saw, I'm reading the notes now.
Hold on there, not quite so fast. Genotypist's patch notes were posted on 11/13. Please note also that she's NOT the CM.
V4l's post was dated 11/19. He IS the CM. What he says does not support what Genotypist said, and in fact suggests that after she had posted her notes, the staff had a discussion and decided to allow PK in SP.
Not sure why people are thinking this is a temporary situation. It certainly won't be if we don't speak up and make clear (AGAIN) that this situation is untenable.
And (to Krisnda) are we now calling righteous indignation by the player base at having our wishes blatantly ignored "qq'ing"? Really? Please bear in mind we are the customers.
Please bear in mind too that the game is wavering on the edge of collapse with players flocking away in droves, due in large part to exactly these types of decisions. Now, I'm not a mmo marketing specialist, but it doesn't take a brainiac to wonder how smart it is to insult the majority of existing players, and make management decisions that effectively prevent NEW players from completing beginner quests and that ruin their gaming experience by allowing bullies to once again gank and grief at will. How many new players are going to find it worth their while to s/s and submit tickets? At that level I wouldn't have even had a clue how to do that.
But sure, let's see how it goes. Just don't add me to the list of apologists for poor community management decisions.0 -
Jax - Momaganon wrote: »Hold on there, not quite so fast. Genotypist's patch notes were posted on 11/13. Please note also that she's NOT the CM.
V4l's post was dated 11/19. He IS the CM. What he says does not support what Genotypist said, and in fact suggests that after she had posted her notes, the staff had a discussion and decided to allow PK in SP.
Not sure why people are thinking this is a temporary situation. It certainly won't be if we don't speak up and make clear (AGAIN) that this situation is untenable.
And (to Krisnda) are we now calling righteous indignation by the player base at having our wishes blatantly ignored "qq'ing"? Really? Please bear in mind we are the customers.
Please bear in mind too that the game is wavering on the edge of collapse with players flocking away in droves, due in large part to exactly these types of decisions. Now, I'm not a mmo marketing specialist, but it doesn't take a brainiac to wonder how smart it is to insult the majority of existing players, and make management decisions that effectively prevent NEW players from completing beginner quests and that ruin their gaming experience by allowing bullies to once again gank and grief at will. How many new players are going to find it worth their while to s/s and submit tickets? At that level I wouldn't have even had a clue how to do that.
But sure, let's see how it goes. Just don't add me to the list of apologists for poor community management decisions.
Keep in mind that they both communicate with each other, and that Itoo am a ccustomer just like you. (also, come on, the qq thing was a joke, gosh) Also keep in mind that us mods are helping you guys by making sure your voices are being heard. Think about that. I'll be back tomorro , *sleeps*.0 -
ok, I go back to what the gentlemen quoted me on. (I'm on my phone, but be sure to know that they did say that it would be changed so that info is true) so stop qq'ing xD
I'm mystified by this whole situation. Why wasn't the code adapted to
PWI before it was released? Why do the mods seem surprised & annoyed that
players are voicing their displeasure? Etc., etc.
To use the argument that it is being looked into, and will probably be
fixed in a future patch, so therefore we should not complain, is like
buying, say, a new car, finding that the power windows don't work, or it
won't go into 3rd gear, or the a/c is broken. The dealer tells us "we are
working on it & it will probably get fixed eventually." And you mean to
say, we should be totally satisfied with our nice new car and
have no justification for grumbling?
I know how things are, with the China stuff & all. I know who has the
power to change things, and who doesn't. I know you guys are between a
rock & a hard place. Personally, I couldn't care less about SP in whatever
state it's in, as I don't play much anymore. But so much of what's
happened in PWI over the years tends to indicate that our version of the
game is treated somewhat as a red-headed stepchild. Which has always surprised
me considering the numbers & relatively high level of disposable income this
market tends to have.
I think what annoys me about this whole thing is ppl chastizing posters
for "qq'ing" when it's PWI that screwed up. Yes, the qq is boring. Yes, we've
heard it all a hundred times before. Yes, it can be aggravating. But
since it's PWI's fault, I think you guys need to just let players vent,
smile sweetly, offer apologies from the company, and hope for the best, lol.
Don't attempt to make the consumer feel bad for not being satisfied with a
defective product.0 -
<_< Guys. This is the 3rd time this has happened. The previous two times, it was changed. Both the rules for the last two times were pretty lenient compared to the set now.
I'm hoping the rules are just to try and keep the chaos down until it's reverted. In fact, the fact that we did NOT have a patch this past week is tipping me off that they may be fixing it. I mean, Val didn't exactly say it wasn't going to be reverted, so we can't really jump the gun either way and start assuming this is permanent either.
As for "Why wasn't the code adapted to PWI before it was released", the patch was enormous, with a ton of new content added. That one little line of code that changes SP's settings was probably NOT very high on the developer's check list, and we got their version of SP because they basically just copy past their code to us and have it translated.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
~Demon as of 5/6/12 - On the night where the moon is closer to the earth and brighter than any other night in the past 18 years.~
Slow and steady stays alive~ I'm in no rush, I'm enjoying the journey to end game just as it was ment to be. b:victory
"You sir, are why I love clerics" < Liba - Heaven's Tear
b:thanks Well thank you Liba<30 -
Oh ****....
I'm amazed the forums haven't been flooded, and that this hasn't been stickied...but whatever, it's to be expected with PWE >_>0 -
Jeremied - Sanctuary wrote: »<_< Guys. This is the 3rd time this has happened. The previous two times, it was changed.
lol. To use the car analogy once more--
Me: The a/c broke AGAIN.
Dealer: Hey, haven't we always fixed it before?
Me: Geez, yeh, you're right. My bad. Your company is swell.0 -
Well, you are using a foreign car. Dealers just sell them, not make them. <--Primo PWI analogy there too.lol. To use the car analogy once more--
Me: The a/c broke AGAIN.
Dealer: Hey, haven't we always fixed it before?
Me: Geez, yeh, you're right. My bad. Your company is swell.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
~Demon as of 5/6/12 - On the night where the moon is closer to the earth and brighter than any other night in the past 18 years.~
Slow and steady stays alive~ I'm in no rush, I'm enjoying the journey to end game just as it was ment to be. b:victory
"You sir, are why I love clerics" < Liba - Heaven's Tear
b:thanks Well thank you Liba<30 -
As I understand it, this instance keeps reverting back to PVP because thats how it is in the other version of the game. They like it that way, they changed it because its a fun PvP instance and they did it on purpose.
IT was changed in our version imho because of overexcited people who complain. Honestly I think PvP being allowed in there is great, and lvl 30's not getting quests done in there is a very very small minority and they aren't the people who are complaining.
My 2 cents is > leave well enough alone enjoy the pvp instance with reflect and flying.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Man - Raging Tide wrote: »As I understand it, this instance keeps reverting back to PVP because thats how it is in the other version of the game. They like it that way, they changed it because its a fun PvP instance and they did it on purpose.
IT was changed in our version imho because of overexcited people who complain. Honestly I think PvP being allowed in there is great, and lvl 30's not getting quests done in there is a very very small minority and they aren't the people who are complaining.
My 2 cents is > leave well enough alone enjoy the pvp instance with reflect and flying.
Yeah a 105 would say that. They should just fix the arena instead of having to use a low lvl instance with a significant quest mob in it for PvP.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Man - Raging Tide wrote: »lvl 30's not getting quests done in there is a very very small minority and they aren't the people who are complaining..
Do you have your hands over your ears? The forum and this thread are full of people complaining about not being able to do quests in there.
The threat of a ban seems to have solved the issue in Dreamweaver. Nobody pvping in there last night.0 -
Pffshhs. Oh PWI. b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Broohooof! b:victory0
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The honor system NEVER works. I quit playing PWI for many months because Secret Passage was PVP and I could not get my quests done in there, actually I couldn't make it past the second room four or five high level players all hit me and I was instantly dead. I guess I will have to stop playing again. I needed to get some quests done but could never find a squad to go in there to do them and I can't solo them so .... I will be finding another game. There are PVP servers let everything on them be PVP and leave the PVE servers as PVE everywhere!! I hate PVP'ers they interfere with questing and other productive means of play.
Anyway my reason for posting is that I have an armour on my veno that is supposed to give a mp of +150 and HP of +50 but after removing it and putting another armour on I found that the MP was +50 and the HP was +20. One more incidental error caused by the new patch. Whatever make me wonder how many other changes were made that are not mentioned!!0 -
Jeremied - Sanctuary wrote: »Well, you are using a foreign car. Dealers just sell them, not make them. <--Primo PWI analogy there too.
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Sidwinder - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yeah a 105 would say that. They should just fix the arena instead of having to use a low lvl instance with a significant quest mob in it for PvP.
Arena is tied in with the PvP status there. You want Arena "fixed"? Then SP has to be a PvP enabled instance?0 -
Pathetic, secret passage is once again a place for PKing low level players, yet not nightscream island? The devs just like **** with low leveled alts / new players playing the legitimate way. Why not make nightscream island and other places PVP places as well (as well as reflections, that meditate for exp instance)?
The favorite PVP places are the lower leveled areas, which is obviously where low levels are ganked almost all the time. Nobody PKs in mid or high leveled areas, and most likely the mid level or high level areas are dead, unless there are PVP events where people have the opportunity to gank.0 -
How about fix the arena(which requires SP "unfixed" apparently) then just forbid people from pking in SP to prevent the embarrassing QQ storm from happening all over again0
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Arena is tied in with the PvP status there. You want Arena "fixed"? Then SP has to be a PvP enabled instance?
Yeah god forbid the devs do some extra programming to seperate the 2 instance to have pk enabled in one but not the other. I know it must be hard for someone who went to school for that but you know I guess it's not there job or anything to program the game. I mean it's not like they don't get paid for working on the game.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sidwinder - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yeah god forbid the devs do some extra programming to seperate the 2 instance to have pk enabled in one but not the other. I know it must be hard for someone who went to school for that but you know I guess it's not there job or anything to program the game. I mean it's not like they don't get paid for working on the game.
Except the devs are in China... where this is all working as intended and fairly popular because they don't have a bunch of people that whine and complain over the whole thing. Every time we have a major expansion Secret Passage gets reverted because the devs have to get it disabled specifically for our version each and every time.
News flash: Our version isn't their main priority and to make some major change for JUST our version when everyone else has it and has no problems with it? Yeah they're gonna put it on a low priority of their "things we want to do right now" list.
Wanna rant at someone? Rant at the people who abuse it and change it from a fun and safe place to enjoy themselves at any time to the mass griefing scenario that it supposedly is here.0 -
Except the devs are in China... where this is all working as intended and fairly popular because they don't have a bunch of people that whine and complain over the whole thing. Every time we have a major expansion Secret Passage gets reverted because the devs have to get it disabled specifically for our version each and every time.
News flash: Our version isn't their main priority and to make some major change for JUST our version when everyone else has it and has no problems with it? Yeah they're gonna put it on a low priority of their "things we want to do right now" list.
Wanna rant at someone? Rant at the people who abuse it and change it from a fun and safe place to enjoy themselves at any time to the mass griefing scenario that it supposedly is here.
I said it before I'll say it again it's bs that China has say so over this version. People pay into this version we should be able to make our own changes right now all this money cash shoppers are putting into this game is being used so our version can just be neglected. Between this and the DQ nerf we should have a say so what we want put into our game or not.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sidwinder - Heavens Tear wrote: »I said it before I'll say it again it's bs that China has say so over this version. People pay into this version we should be able to make our own changes right now all this money cash shoppers are putting into this game is being used so our version can just be neglected. Between this and the DQ nerf we should have a say so what we want put into our game or not.
This, I completely agree with. Having to get approval from China to change any little thing is a royal pain that we shouldn't have to go through. Even more is getting punished for problems that are exclusive to their version while the problems exclusive to our version (goons, for an example we aren't currently discussing) are tossed in the back burner until they feel like throwing something at us.
However, the problem isn't something our staff here can do anything about. So really the only ones you can go to about it are... the parent company in China, and the players here that cause/abuse everything.
I have no problem with complaining about things that should be complained about. However, getting angry at the people who can't do anything about it isn't cool. As many faults as this company has that I'll gladly call them out on, I'll also defend the folks here when it's not their fault something stupid happens.0 -
i wonder why make sp pk area and we already have enought pk areas having such a small place for pk is just a proplem for low lvls ><0
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This, I completely agree with. Having to get approval from China to change any little thing is a royal pain that we shouldn't have to go through. Even more is getting punished for problems that are exclusive to their version while the problems exclusive to our version (goons, for an example we aren't currently discussing) are tossed in the back burner until they feel like throwing something at us.
However, the problem isn't something our staff here can do anything about. So really the only ones you can go to about it are... the parent company in China, and the players here that cause/abuse everything.
I have no problem with complaining about things that should be complained about. However, getting angry at the people who can't do anything about it isn't cool. As many faults as this company has that I'll gladly call them out on, I'll also defend the folks here when it's not their fault something stupid happens.
I'm mad at the China dev's not our's because our's can't do anything without there say so and that's what pisses me off. When I say dev's on my prev post's I meant China they don't mind getting money from our version but they sure as hell don't like to fix things.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Lets be honest here. How often do you people go into Secret Passage anyway?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »Lets be honest here. How often do you people go into Secret Passage anyway?
Well...I personally have 4 alts below/around 40. <_< They have quests and things in there. 2 of which I don't trust to have tele in because they'll just die.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
~Demon as of 5/6/12 - On the night where the moon is closer to the earth and brighter than any other night in the past 18 years.~
Slow and steady stays alive~ I'm in no rush, I'm enjoying the journey to end game just as it was ment to be. b:victory
"You sir, are why I love clerics" < Liba - Heaven's Tear
b:thanks Well thank you Liba<30 -
Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »Lets be honest here. How often do you people go into Secret Passage anyway?
The biggest problem is SilverFrost is in there and you need him if you want to get OHT access and your lvl 100 culti done.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »Lets be honest here. How often do you people go into Secret Passage anyway?
My whole gameplay for over a year has consisted solely of making new chars,
leveling them up till bored, delete, rinse, repeat. So I frequently have to go
into SP. The char I'm playing now needs Silver Frost. I tried doing it with
my high lvl alt, but it was just too much trouble & aggravation getting past the
pk'ers.
And just so ppl don't put me into 2nd-class status as being some sort of
"freeloader," I DO spend money on the game on each of these new chars,
in the way of charms, inventory/bank space, fash, etc.
But stuff like this & the dq nerf is killing my interest in the game entirely.
This, plus, the attitude of players who, just because some aspect of the game
doesn't affect them, consider it a non-issue.0 -
Ran in there today with my seeker after bh and place was dead. (figured i would escort some people or help run some bh or shade). Another thing i notice is i can fly in there. Not sure how long that has been on but its new for me. (my son hit my hotkey and thats how i notice)101/101/102
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Also run around as a R1 seeker named WildFireXIII b:chuckle and now as a Stormbringer named xGrimStormxX, and no I'm not Grim from Kindred0
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