Main Discussion about NW pricing and effect on game

Holy ****.

I did NW (and yes, on this character!) and I had a blast!

I didn't even have a squad. I bet it might have been even more fun if I had had one.

I even died a lot less than I anticipated (I guess no matter what game you play, there will always be people who ignore the healers). Still a one-shot wonder, of course, but at level 90 that's expected.

Can't wait to do it again. b:cute

EDIT: I should add that I didn't even get any reward, but I still had fun, and I will do it again. For me, the fun is the reward.

I probably actually shouldn't have done this. I'm now getting the itch to actually level and gear this character. What have I done?!?!?!!?

mmm yes but still if ur making tons of coin why waste coin on gems that cost around 40+ milj and not upgrade to say 2nd cast.


and i have to say full ws is way harder then nv ooh and the bh100 bosses have done a hole in there egos to.


the day the sin population tho they was tank healer and dd is the day it was know nv was to be removed.


still dont get why ppl so angry at it its liek there candy was remove even tho it was a un anty class instance.


did u play when we did have barb as main tanker on tt runs that lasted for hours.

ppl complain but we hade waaay more population then we do now.

it took time but was fun.

nowday they call barb for bh100 mostly or culty delta and the farm is very seldom i see ppl asking for barbs. so u see my point of view as a barb only is diff.


you dont think i should play a aps toon i dont want just to make money do you.

ps if i wanted to make coin tho i know other r8 barb who are in this very same situation i am talking about.

_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »

mmm yes but still if ur making tons of coin why waste coin on gems that cost around 40+ milj and not upgrade to say 2nd cast.


and i have to say full ws is way harder then nv ooh and the bh100 bosses have done a hole in there egos to.


the day the sin population tho they was tank healer and dd is the day it was know nv was to be removed.


still dont get why ppl so angry at it its liek there candy was remove even tho it was a un anty class instance.


did u play when we did have barb as main tanker on tt runs that lasted for hours.

ppl complain but we hade waaay more population then we do now.

it took time but was fun.

nowday they call barb for bh100 mostly or culty delta and the farm is very seldom i see ppl asking for barbs. so u see my point of view as a barb only is diff.


you dont think i should play a aps toon i dont want just to make money do you.

ps if i wanted to make coin tho i know other r8 barb who are in this very same situation i am talking about.

Just because my avatar says that my join date is Feb 2012 doesn't mean that's when I started playing.

My first character was back on Dreamweaver about 3.5 years ago. So yes I did experience the long TT runs where barbs were the tank and slowly that got phased out as more and more DDs became so powerful that they'd start taking aggro regardless of what aggro skills were used.

BH bosses (especially the new Anti-APS ones) are a joke. The only people that the change to those bosses hurt was the middle of the road and low-geared melee. An OP squad (even a well geared squad) can still kill Leaf Rain Dryad in a single spark and I've personally duo'd Lord of Captivation with another BM friend of mine with 0 trouble. This is another reason why good gear needs to be easier to get (but not so easy as it's been made currently).

*EDIT* As for my personal gear choices for my BM...I did keep the two TT99 armor pieces (HA Boots and Wrists) to maintain my ability to go 4/5 APS as well as keep survivability through refines and such. I was in the process of farming myself a 2nd set of Nirvana gear to go 3rd cast with strictly for instances such as TW, Nation Wars, Lunar, Delta, etc where I didn't need the TT99 for APS. I opted to finish my wife's gear first as opposed to farming more for myself. In regards to gems, I have 5 VIT gems in my whole set of armor (3 in cape and 2 in helm) the rest of my shards are Immaculate Citrines. That being said, I still have almost 14k HP fully buffed in my APS gear and that's without an HP bonus necklace (I use TT99 LA ornaments for my LA APS bonus).

So one might attempt to make the argument that I should love how readily available Uncanny and Raps became, but obtaining the gear that I want through actual hard work and dedication is one of the many challenges that I look for in a game.

I for one had a great time at Nation Wars!

I don't normally do PvP, but this event was just plain fun for once.
Getting mats more easily is only a bonus since I don't have much time to farm on x2 anymore, but I seriously had fun! b:victory

Selak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sigh,
Farming for gems and stats is still a Socialisers behavior and not the Achievers Type.

Achievers are the natural prey of Killers (http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm)

This content screws Achievers in the mistaken belief that Achievers want to use repetitive behavior to obtain goals. (i.e. re-rolling stats and farming) which are in reality Socialiser types of behavior,
due to the need for communication whether its chat or the ability to set up a cat shop, it still falls under the umbrella of communication between players.

As a 52y old male who has played the latest PC games since owning a brand new Amstrad 80286,
I must be stupid as I cannot understand how much fun PK is, well just add insult to injury, way to go PWI.

On a Personal note: Insult Intended.
Have fun playing with all those people who rejoined the game after leaving due to short attention spans, as it will not be long before they leave again, when the next butterfly crosses their path.

Then it will be back to more server merge threads, and where did every-one go discussions in game with friends.

After a little more thought, I do feel for the people trying to explain this concept to a group of Socialists, who by their upbringing most likely not equipped with the tools needed to grasp the importance of Achievers within society, even gaming ones.

Actually, based on that link you provided you're wrong. Achievers are anyone that grind for their gear.

"i) Achievement within the game context.

Players give themselves game-related goals, and vigorously set out to achieve them. This usually means accumulating and disposing of large quantities of high-value treasure, or cutting a swathe through hordes of mobiles (ie. monsters built in to the virtual world)."

Socialisers by definition from the same link are the people who would rather sit around in Archosaur World Chatting and talking among themselves.

Farming gems and refines and rerolling for stats are all "Achievements" that people strive for. Have the newest gear, have the highest/best stats, have the best gems.

that's all this is, the end of free 2 play.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

The start of free to play you mean.

Does happy dance for P2P

I'm honestly not sure if these people are trolling or not when they say p2p is winning here... Good gear just got easy to obtain for EVERYONE. Now you don't have to drop $500 a month to be at the top of your game.

CroPsy - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yo do realize that R9 people will buy +12 refines and best shards, while people who now get Nirvana can't/won't buy those?
And you realize that Stage 3 Nirvana doesn't have a slight change against Stage 3 R9?

So you need to spend ton's of money, to get R9, then rush to Stage 3 R9, then buy +12 and end-game shards.

For PVP, this game just got worse.

So true, but really alot of people dont realize this ... fail update

enkuero wrote: »

Hi, i just want to know if you guys think that pwi coming with something new, i worked so hard to get raps and cans, i also spended real money just to buy raps, my lv16 weapon somebody can get it in one day, my weapon is like worthless now, so im thiking that pwi coming with something new or they are hiding something....

moved to main topic about this discussion.

CroPsy - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yo do realize that R9 people will buy +12 refines and best shards, while people who now get Nirvana can't/won't buy those?
And you realize that Stage 3 Nirvana doesn't have a slight change against Stage 3 R9?

So you need to spend ton's of money, to get R9, then rush to Stage 3 R9, then buy +12 and end-game shards.

For PVP, this game just got worse.

full S3 R9 is still 1.5b coins, at least. R9 still costs $1000+. So you're still not going to see a bunch of S3 R9's running around. S3 nirvana caster weps are competitive with R9 caster weps, as is the armor. But S3 nirvana can be farmed now in a couple days worth of work. So imo the free players are getting way more for their investment.

Even the s3 dags with int are almost as good as R9 dags.

Larkray - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm honestly not sure if these people are trolling or not when they say p2p is winning here... Good gear just got easy to obtain for EVERYONE. Now you don't have to drop $500 a month to be at the top of your game.

Sure its great for everyone that wants to pvp.. but i joined a pve server for a reason. Those who dont pvp are blocked from alot of end game items now. Hell, even the morai wines were removed from the pve population and put (along with others) in the new NW forges. So, pvers dont even have access to those.

Sizzer - Raging Tide wrote: »

After Few days T3 nirvana will be like TT 99 / r8 useless ! The main intention of this NW concept wasn't to made to make the free of all or to justify free to play, it is forced now go buy r9 or just keep on dying in PvP , don't think now ppl are going to do PvE since during 2x most of the instance are dead. Hardly see any TT squads or Delta or AEU on Raging Tide.
All i see is Buying/Selling Cannies and Raps , BH and that's it ! ........ b:surrender
Perfect World International : just got private server !

Instance are only dead because people don't want to do them. Players are lazy. Players are not "geared" to do the instance. It is not the game's fault, but the players fault on focus solely on one instance during 2x.

Players who had a broader view, playing style in the game have seen no change. Other than the simple fact everything is worth 0~2m now. I bought 3 Garnet gems for 3m total. I spent 4 hours, i made 40m. That is 10m an hour, that beats vana any day. I can acquire end game shards for cheap now.

nv wa not for all to begin wit it was 1st to the aps toon and after so many caster complained and so many rerolled aps to get a chances to gear themself they let caster have it to.


it was not for barb unless a nice aps party feelt nice to bring one with them and this is toe true on normal nv.

on caster i am not sure if all caster were equally but i dobt it.


nv was to be made for speed that was the main comfort not to let all classes have a chance at some coin.


it made mroe and more assasin and now most biggest faction dont even want one i can see why.

so in all killing nv is a good thing hopefully the ppl who made sin just to farm nv will play there main toon and more classes will flurish.

tt is more fun then nv ever was have more challanges as a instance and take mroe time.

i can see accomplish in tt never nv.

u can farm lunar and full ws. they are not only more fun but now essentuall as more ppl will have there uncunies and rapture.


yes r9 3rd cast wil lexist but we all know there was a gap between r9 and the rest.

but a r9 and a nv3 is practically same with simular refine.


as for nw even if u are a pve player just join it this is nor so much pk but more of a team effort.

and u get rewarded just for joining a side if you dont pk u can still earn a reward or have a friend who give his mats to make ur gear liek i did with my friend who wana 1st and 2nd cast his weapon.


i dont consider this pk more as a event with a good reward and its extremly fun even if u lose.

At first - on friday - I didn't like the event too much because I generaly don't like pvp but when I saw the rewards (got 88 tokens 1st time - brought 2 flags, killed noone, got killed many times, tried to stay out of war, left after 1h - was in winning nation) I changed my mind. In fact I earned like 30m with raps and cannies within a hour in the event. It is pretty rewarding.

So next time - on sunday - I have had more fun - I knowed it is really rewarding so I did my best. I brought a flag once (winning a war this way ), killed many people, got killed about 50% more times than I killed someone (my gear is not pro - mixed TT70-99 and mold 60-88, not more than +4, most only +2). Left after 1,5h because I got tired of constant pvp. Gained 77 tokens - probably because my nation was 3rd or so (I had to log out before event finished). Still pretty good amount.

There is only 1 bad part of the NW... well, maybe 2. 1st - it could last 1h not 2h, after 1h constant pvp people get tired and dont have that much fun anymore. 2nd - maybe its me but I can't see the number of teritory on map - I can see the D3 etc only after I start moving there. It don't help people in a team when they all want to go to 1 teritory.