Main Discussion about NW pricing and effect on game
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and i can tell you that for your 10 happy people there are 50 which are really pissed.
I alone know from 8 people of my friends that gave there stuff away and quit. And I dont realy know a lot of people.
Some more I know watching whats gonna happen ,ready to say bye bye at any time.
Most stupid thing pwi has ever done. And I thought Aurora was bad.0 -
and i can tell you that for your 10 happy people there are 50 which are really pissed.
I alone know from 8 people of my friends that gave there stuff away and quit. And I dont realy know a lot of people.
Some more I know watching whats gonna happen ,ready to say bye bye at any time.
Most stupid thing pwi has ever done. And I thought Aurora was bad.
Im not talking about Euro players in that equation, that can be fixed with some time slot movements of the NW's (sure those players will silently up and walk away) Im speaking from the rewards aspect vs nirvana runners. Those people clearly are voicing ops. Im all for time tweaks to catch everyone b:victory math look better now?0 -
Something that the people compaining are not putting into consideration
HOW as a dev team do you launch new instances when there is a gear gap that is night and day?
Solution: Allow everyone to catch up at a fraction of the cost. I think they just did that.
Now, devs can actually work on the next expansion with near = players and goal up a nice set of new instances.
Also, for every 1 person complaining atm there are 10 very happy people that are not even saying so on the forums, they are very content with either the cheaper gear or prices for mats or are very happy with the rewards from NW.
Personally In my own circle of friends im the only one that has even voted here. Add +50ish to my vote alone. On top of that I have 2 old friends that are reinstalling just for this feature. Vice versa for the upset people, they are yelling in full force so your seeing a 1/1 ratio of upset people in that vote. realisticly its only about 5% of the population that is mad/upset .. probably the same group that sits buying/selling hundreds of canny/rap and you never see except during 2x drop lol. The rest are happily plugging away.
IMO this reawakens the game and opens the door for alot of new things to come.
I am soo tired 5 am here but I will try to help you understand whats wrong here one last time.
Refer to prior post #784
Achievers need gear gaps or unique equipment to keep them interested,
Farming is a socialiser interest because of the need for communication.
Achievers are the natural prey of killers not Socialiser, Explorer or other Killer types.
Please explain how removing prey benefits predators.
Especially when there are a lot more predators around.There are old Warriors, and bold Warriors,
but there are very few old bold Warriors. b:chuckle0 -
Im not talking about Euro players in that equation, that can be fixed with some time slot movements of the NW's (sure those players will silently up and walk away) Im speaking from the rewards aspect vs nirvana runners. Those people clearly are voicing ops. Im all for time tweaks to catch everyone b:victory math look better now?
I dont know what ur talking about time slots. I am talking about the free give away endgear.
People are pissed that months of hard work are gone for nothing.0 -
Something that the people compaining are not putting into consideration
HOW as a dev team do you launch new instances when there is a gear gap that is night and day?
Solution: Allow everyone to catch up at a fraction of the cost. I think they just did that.
IMO this reawakens the game and opens the door for alot of new things to come.
Problem is.. that stuff isn't here yet. You can't give everyone uber gear then nothing to do with it. And it is not just a fraction of the cost.. its pretty damn close to free. Prices have come down over time already. It was getting easier and easier. Thats how it should be. I leveled to 85 before BH was even in the game. Before FCC. It was waaaay funner to play when FCC didn't give you 100 for basically free. When I had to go do the 3 hour TT runs for my gear so I could be able to tank the next upcoming boss. Gear gap? I call it effort gap. Decent gear in the game was already really easy to get. Semi-Elite gear.. well, that should be what it is.. Semi-Elite. Only a percentage of the crowd should have it. They are giving away the gear now, without even giving me something else to work for? I like having goals, its what keeps me playing a game for a long time. I like seeing my friends elated when they finally meet their goals. Please tell me what I have to work for now? What can I be proud of? Pretty much buy R9 or get GR16 for free?
Everyone happy about this.. enjoy your free leveling to 100, enjoy your free Gear, enjoy having nothing to do once you get to 100 becuase its all handed to you in a 2 hour event twice a week. This game was built on the principle of earning these things.0 -
Terrastrike - Lost City wrote: »I love this.
The reason that I'm bothered about this expansion is because I spent so much time farming (Though I admit I did spend some money too) a full set of G15 on my seeker, which I completed just over a month ago. Now, all someone needs to do is enter their character in a 2 hour event (that is at 4am for me) and they can fully deck them out in G15 gear. I had set G15 as a goal ingame, and I'd considered it somewhat of an achievement. Now that's been taken away and we have people who are running around in a full set of G15, sharded with flawless shards or something, and poorly refined, under the delusion that they're now 'on par' with the R9 'CSrs' (Or 'merchants', though I feel inclined not to use that phrase, as I now hear it so often and so flippantly that it's become almost a meme; something that people who have bought their gear will often say to spare the embarrassment of spending the cost of a small car on their gear).
What people don't realise is that it isn't the gear that's overpowered. It's sharding, refine level, and atk/def level complects. All this expansion has done is remove a considerable side of the PVE aspect from the game, from the difficulty of instances, to the farming of gear itself, while still providing the highly refined and sharded R9 players with an even more ridiculous gear set, preserving their advantage over the rest of the playerbase.
Additionally, within a few weeks, G15 will simply replace R8 as a minimum gear requirement for squads. People will be overgeared for PVE, and will therefore have no incentive to gear up. To everyone who reaped the rewards of Friday's nation war, please tell me, what do you plan to do with your shiny new gear? Stand AFK? TW with it, only to be stomped by 3rd cast r9 players? Or just carry on doing your dailies slightly faster? The only endgame instances now left worth farming for profit are HH 3-1 - 3-3 and Full Warsong, the first being unsoloable unless you already have extremely powerful gear, and the latter being impossible without a squad, which defeats the point of trying to profit from it.
Whether I keep playing this game depends on how the GMs respond to it. I honestly believe that the rapture/uncanny formula was a mistake, and that the devs forgot about the GM logo shown in the original PWCN recipe.
Soooooooos does that answer your question?
TL:DR - game is dead.
/QQ.
Terra b:bye you did answer it
but
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aren't you gonna be happy for being able to get rank 9 now ? or at least g16 ? and who knows might next update it upgraded g16 3rd recast or g17 ?
i know u farmed alot well we all did we all spend alot of time in vana But you should be happy now its getting easier to Farm
and yes we gonna wait TW like we doing now , what else we doing now other than BH and BORING vana ?
at least there is NW now which is LOOOOOOOOOTS of fun0 -
Selak - Dreamweaver wrote: »I am soo tired 5 am here but I will try to help you understand whats wrong here one last time.
Refer to prior post #784
Achievers need gear gaps or unique equipment to keep them interested,
Farming is a socialiser interest because of the need for communication.
Achievers are the natural prey of killers not Socialiser, Explorer or other Killer types.
Please explain how removing prey benefits predators.
Especially when there are a lot more predators around.
IF you are trying to convince me that (Nerdvana) vana , Ivana, nirvana (however you want to classify it) was the best instance ever and you sit on the edge of your seat daily just waiting for that great "socializing" instance.... wtf u smoking, id like some. Only communication u get from that is .. are you 5ap sin or do you have DHF (link Weapon please) b:chuckle
Nirvana became stupidish the day Sins were released.
As for the ramble of prey benefiting predators? I dont get it, did you look at the NW forges?
IMO the best items to sell from NW are not even raps/canny its those war emblems or whatever that take 50/1 from the reward token... Real money to be had there. Possibly that re evals your pred/prey ? /shrug0 -
Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »Give me a PvE version of it to run and I'll be happy too.
I joined a PvE server for a reason. So I'm stuck buying mats now. Why should I be happy?
And they should at least make the second run (Sunday's) mid-day so that every timezone gets a shot at it.
pve NW ? b:surrenderb:beatup0 -
IF you are trying to convince me that (Nerdvana) vana , Ivana, nirvana (however you want to classify it) was the best instance ever and you sit on the edge of your seat daily just waiting for that great "socializing" instance.... wtf u smoking, id like some. Only communication u get from that is .. are you 5ap sin or do you have DHF (link Weapon please) b:chuckle
Nirvana became stupidish the day Sins were released.
As for the ramble of prey benefiting predators? I dont get it, did you look at the NW forges?
IMO the best items to sell from NW are not even raps/canny its those war emblems or whatever that take 50/1 from the reward token... Real money to be had there. Possibly that re evals your pred/prey ? /shrug
learn to read
http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htmThere are old Warriors, and bold Warriors,
but there are very few old bold Warriors. b:chuckle0 -
Selak - Dreamweaver wrote: »learn to read
http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm
You want me to read all that garbage? No thanks, id rather go do another Ivana b:chuckle0 -
Soooooooos - Sanctuary wrote: »Terra b:bye you did answer it
but
but
but
aren't you gonna be happy for being able to get rank 9 now ? or at least g16 ? and who knows might next update it upgraded g16 3rd recast or g17 ?
i know u farmed alot well we all did we all spend alot of time in vana But you should be happy now its getting easier to Farm
Why should she be happy? b:question
PWI has taken something that had value from those who spent time and invested gear farming it and basically gave it for free to lazy cheapskates.*I never thought Perfect world was beautiful... till I discovered that my graphics' quality settings were on low*0 -
You want me to read all that garbage? No thanks, id rather go do another Ivana b:chuckle
Not enough patience to read,
Then do not comment about some-thing you will never be able to understand,
you only show your lack of gaming skills further.There are old Warriors, and bold Warriors,
but there are very few old bold Warriors. b:chuckle0 -
Kamet - are u afraid of reading the psychology and reason behind games? If not, give it a go. I did read parts of it, and most of it is 100% true. I saw this thing happen in my old game, but then it was a glitch that got exploited, giving everyone endgame gear.
What did it do to the game? It made so many leave, that today, 2 years after, it's dead.
They didn't leave immediately all of them, some were happy they became the old OP over night. But eventually, people left within a month or 2.
They had to come up with such drastic endgame gears that the game just doesnt work anymore. It ruined the game mechanics, such as old instances, newfound ones and new level gaps that just doesnt work, because an endgame person can enter any lower level instance and ruin it for the ones who are still not effected (in this case the ones below 80 where warsoul wep, etc comes in).
And to those who may say lower levels have a choice of bringing one endgame person in, they do, but it'll kill the game for them along the way as new people are a rare breed even today. The developers made sure we CAN do it, and so people will to an extent that it's gonna kill the old mechanics and ways it used to work. Every class should not be able to solo BH69+ for a squad, but the way PWI is heading it'll end up that way, some of the classes already can and we've seen where that is leading us with new players asking in facs for people to solo rather than even trying with equal leveled players.
Old max damage of 5k is today 50k in this old game im refering to, old OP HP of 20k is today up to 75-80k on tanks. Normal? I think not. Do u not think that company tried to bring back what once was? They did, they still are trying to make up new gears, skills and levels to compensate..but no, once the middle game is gone (refering to warsoul being the new 80s wep here) it'll keep falling unless they remake every old instance..which I cant see many companies even economically capable of.
So honestly...people should re-think this, but they just won't as they're stubborn to think it's the nirvana aspect we're speaking of...we're not talking bout the instance itself, but the role it played in economy. For all sakes, remove nirvana, but don't remove its concept and economy influence, all in one night. That's just poor game development. All games die off eventually, but this one just made sure it'll happen alot sooner than it would have if instance + war were kept to the degree where they would have worked together, and let it die in the natural way with prices sinking as more progress is made by players towards r9 n s3r9.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Even if you can't play because of the time, you still benefit from not having to pay out the *** for your gear.
F2P>P2Win now?0 -
WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »You do realize the importance refines/shard play in this game? Simply gaining the armor pieces w/o those wont push toons competent against real endgame geared toons /argument
And this is exactly why CS gets the advantage over f2p chars,by cutting an important source of money(Nirvana) to nothing,will greatly reduce the ability of most non-CS player to make money.
And if Im wrong, explain what all those players used to do in front of Nirvana/Raging Tides during 2x, they were all stupid dummies sitting there OR maybe and I repeat MAYBE Nirvana was a major coin source for f2p chars?
free to play chars = Less coins = Less refines
CS chars = same as before (They don't need to farm anyway)
I'll quote it once again>>WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »You do realize the importance refines/shard play in this game? Simply gaining the armor pieces w/o those wont push toons competent against real endgame geared toons /argument
Got the idea?The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry0 -
I'm very happy for these nations wars. PW finally made an instance for everyone, and one where everyone will be able to have good gear, thanks to it.0
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F2P>P2Win?
Refines still cost the same
until PWI finds a way to **** up the refine system too...
Its always going to be P2Win*I never thought Perfect world was beautiful... till I discovered that my graphics' quality settings were on low*0 -
Some of you people are ignorant enough not to understand the big picture they changed.
Nirvana? **** nirvana, but the economy and the farming part it played for the playerbase who enjoys it, that is not to be screwed if they want to keep the population. Same as the goal part of a game which is a vital part for many, sad to break the news..but many are acchievers/PvPers out there rather than socializers or online to watch how many different pretty flowers u can find on the game map. And yea, you should know the acchievers are the PvPers main target, as theyre up to par with gears and in for the challenge as an acchievement rather than the PvP person whos in it for the kill and joy of watching others go down.
Nirvana can be replaced if removed, replaced with something different, but the way PWI did this..is just bad game development as it effected so many players negatively in such short amount of time, without real replacement as of now. Making a PvP aspect pay an inprinted PVE aspects role for economy...is not a good idea.
Every game changes, yes. Every game gets a new shift in what's considered OP gears, yes. BUT. It usually doesnt happen over 1-2 wars as it does here. This just literally killed a part of the game that was vital to a huge amount of players, otherwise nirvana wouldnt have been as popular as it was to both casters and APS classes.
Gearshifts are supposed to happen naturally imo for the whole goal progress to work as it should, this was purely forced. Prices on nirvana items would have gone down as more people progress and complete their nirv s3s and started running it more efficent to bring more mats on the market. Prices have already gone down on most servers compared to what they were a year ago. This just crashed the market to the point where the instance was made into trash, putting many PVE players seeking where to go and what to farm, or questioning the value of their own gamestyle with this game as their goals and acchievements just turned into nothing, with no equal instance replacement.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Good gears? For now. In 3 months it'll be the norm among players to either have s3 nirvana or s3r9. b:victory
As for the war itself, thats awesome and GG to PWI for finally making a good PvP instance that people enjoy. Reward? Just a big Lol.
Edit: They're also not for everyone as you state. Us living with it at 5am beg to differ if we have trouble getting up that time, as it's in human nature to sleep. But I guess we don't count to many of you? PWI could surely made that aspect of the war better aswell, specially as its now replacing the old actually available to everyone, instance.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »when 5-10 are rushing at you, run away to your own lines, that means you advanced too far, as an archer, no matter how good you are, best plan of action is to stay behind your tanks, and kill the people trying to kill them, by keeping them alive, you get kills, and they stay as your personal meat puppets
The problem with that is... what lines. We got 5-6 people including me against a full 20. Some of us can't afford the luxury of a tank and what not. Its been a while since I went in to anything with an optimal squad... i think my whole guild has one active cleric... and all barbs are alts. Not that I am complaining as its a bad thing... just something I have to deal with.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »And this is exactly why CS gets the advantage over f2p chars,by cutting an important source of money(Nirvana) to nothing,will greatly reduce the ability of most non-CS player to make money.
And if Im wrong, explain what all those players used to do in front of Nirvana/Raging Tides during 2x, they were all stupid dummies sitting there OR maybe and I repeat MAYBE Nirvana was a major coin source for f2p chars?
free to play chars = Less coins = Less refines
CS chars = same as before (They don't need to farm anyway)
I'll quote it once again>>
Got the idea?
Nirvana isnt the only instance that you could make money - Right now TT mats will be going up as everybody need base gear to recast into nirvana. Warsongs will be decent farming instance as some people cant bother farming badges themselves. AEU isnt spammable but books still sell for decent and only thing that really got hurt was delta. Honestly, people made themselves hung up on nirvy to fund themselves - Well the ones who could get squads. There were tons of players who couldnt farm their gear. The f2p players that actually made good coin out of nirvy were small minority and while change may end up hurting them, vast majority of players got to place where they can even farm instances for coins.
Ps. You can either focus on hating losing nirvy or you can take and think of instances that also net coins.Trolling Sid since So Hot
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Obviously their targets are casual and average cashshoppers.
Hardcore farmers dont bring in $$$$$ anyways.0 -
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Something that the people compaining are not putting into consideration
HOW as a dev team do you launch new instances when there is a gear gap that is night and day?
Solution: Allow everyone to catch up at a fraction of the cost. I think they just did that.
Now, devs can actually work on the next expansion with near = players and goal up a nice set of new instances.
Also, for every 1 person complaining atm there are 10 very happy people that are not even saying so on the forums, they are very content with either the cheaper gear or prices for mats or are very happy with the rewards from NW.
Personally In my own circle of friends im the only one that has even voted here. Add +50ish to my vote alone. On top of that I have 2 old friends that are reinstalling just for this feature. Vice versa for the upset people, they are yelling in full force so your seeing a 1/1 ratio of upset people in that vote. realisticly its only about 5% of the population that is mad/upset .. probably the same group that sits buying/selling hundreds of canny/rap and you never see except during 2x drop lol. The rest are happily plugging away.
IMO this reawakens the game and opens the door for alot of new things to come.
Something you're not considering...how do companies make money? When they release a new product do they sell it at full price for a couple months then drop the cost by 90% so that everyone can have the best technology for a fraction of the cost?
The whole point of releasing new and harder/more challenging content is to allow the players who busted their ***** getting where they are something new to do and also to encourage those who sit around on their laurels all day to actually improve themselves so that they too can be competitive in said new content.
Games are supposed to have progression and evolve from what they were, but you're not supposed to flat out kill off a certain part of that game. Multi-tier gear systems mean more goals for people to work for, long term goals (Nirvana 1st, 2nd and 3rd cast) keep people playing and spending money. Your average player isn't going to run right out and buy R9 now just so they can go 3rd cast on it, your average player is now going to get G16 gear and then get as lazy as most of them already were with their R8 or TT99 and start complaining that it's not fair that all these people have R9 3rd cast when they're stuck with G16, just like they did before this update about Nirvana gear.0 -
kamet - Do you honestly see me mentionin it was ever good? Lmao. I'd be damned if I ever did, I just stated nirvanan had a huge impact on the overall economy of the local farmer to actually try and keep up with what the economy is like.
This games economy is *****, everyone knows that. Wheter the new war changed economy more or influenced it to become very different, i'd say yes, but im not into economy, im into goals. Do I think it will influence it postivly? No. They took a cheepskeet and just removed it all, along with the things it has now become.
This imo as I see it (please don't twist this part as im no psychic and I cant fortell how the market will for certain change. This is just what instinct tells me.) they made it harder to earn coins fast for the ones who play the game often and long, and very hard for the ones who cant be online much. The ones online for long hours and often belong to the playerbase that benefits PWI the most in the long run, compared to the ones who come online 2-5 hours a week. GL trying to have a goal that needs u to farm 1,5 bil or more in coins to reach r9 and become s3r9. Many will WANT that, simply to be different from the now new norm of s3. If you wanna call them nerds or caring for stuff in a game, so be it, but its a fact a huge amount of people play games to acchieve things that are hard for some others to do. They don't like being put into the same box as everyone else.
The choice and chances of acchieving it is being close to nullified by PWIs hand, why would I think that? I'd assume gold prices would go up, as everyone would want new refines and shards for their new gear, atleast at the beginning, hence also driving r9 price up as it's gold demanding. 'Oh but you can sell supply tokens' whatfor in a few months? People won't be needing the huge amounts anymore, making it like nirvana materials, low in price and a bad source of fast income.
There may be new farming ways out there, but most of them are way slower than the nirvana option as things such as lunar and TT have fees that needs to be considered. U can't overprice a TT gold mat as it can be bought from the NPC with chips for a fee, neither can you really try to overprice essences as lunar have an opening fee of 3m and it drops 2 at 2x. Putting them at 1,5m each then or a bit more for running aspects. Putting most of the playerbase in s3, will also make them equally able of running it and therefor put more mats on the market, further lowering the chance of them to be expensive or putting a sum in your pocket. As for warsong, it takes way longer just like lunar, and these people who are happy over 'accomplishing s3 finally cause theyve had no time' will have even less time acchieving whats needed to be put on it to be up to par with transfered s3r9 pieces.
Let us not forget, in a non QQ way, that many of the first r9s who are now in +12s, have had all this time to stack up on coin by using it, and many of them also cashshop (nothing wrong in that imo) but it will make their gears significantly better, faster as they don't have to pay for the upcoming changes to the higher ingame fees on transfering items. (This is where the statement 'we're more equal now in PVP' comes in...honestly I don't see how if this is how the market changes? An r9s3 +12 will still have the upper hand on a +5 s3 nirv gearwise. As for PVE, what do you really need uber gears to solve nowadays?)
Maybe I've missed some huge coin aspect, but this is my own prediction.
As more and more have endgamegear, they will all be able to farm what may be needed on the market and create an overflow. The only thing people cant farm and put on the market
would be the molds, that might become the only good income source as someone can pay when they pick it up. Tho, I don't see why people would pay high to make something now, average to have, in the future.
If you have another point of view that I'm maybe missing regarding economy as im
honestly not into it, then you can share it. But please, don't state I ever thought
nirvana was making economy awesome ingame, but this sure didn't help it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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so your precious nv monopoly crushed and all your raps and cannies became worthless over night...
get over it...
b:kissi am waiting for you my little flagcarriers b:kiss0 -
I'm with you on this
, though I do feel bad for those that spent ages working towards that gear then it drops in value over night. 0 -
WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »Nirvana isnt the only instance that you could make money - Right now TT mats will be going up as everybody need base gear to recast into nirvana. Warsongs will be decent farming instance as some people cant bother farming badges themselves. AEU isnt spammable but books still sell for decent and only thing that really got hurt was delta. Honestly, people made themselves hung up on nirvy to fund themselves - Well the ones who could get squads. There were tons of players who couldnt farm their gear. The f2p players that actually made good coin out of nirvy were small minority and while change may end up hurting them, vast majority of players got to place where they can even farm instances for coins.
Ps. You can either focus on hating losing nirvy or you can take and think of instances that also net coins.
When I used to spam TT during 2x my"net" income was at most 5M a day.
Mats I farmed in a single day of TT took 1 week to sell(Market was just flooded). So 7 days of farming = 7 weeks to sell,that 's 2 months for a week alone,image a whole month.
Then a few months ago I switched to Nirvana,my "net" income was 15/20M a day, depends on how much I spammed it,and was immediate.
You say there's gonna be higher demand for TT mats?,do you known what a good part of Nirvana spammers will go?,spamming TT,and I bet 100 bucks that the TT market will be overflodeed even more that only gold mats from 3-2/3 will be even worth the bother,assuming that everyone can farm 3-2/3!
Do you known the difference from few months ago and now?, TT mats dropped EVEN more to the ground, and you saying TT its anywhere near as reliable source of money, you should look at AH of my server, mats are simply worthless.
AEU?,took 30+ runs to get the crappiest wiz book that I sold for 4M -- 30+ runs for a single book, and 30 runs means 4 weeks worth of jade certificates,you get the idea.The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry0 -
Moar tears please
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Stop ignoring about 30%(+13%) of player base that got pissed about this.
Source:This poll.
If wasn't for 5 aps'er spamming Nirvana canny/raps price would have be 2x as it was and your precious G15 set would have costed 2x times as more, but yeah, bash on those aps'er who were the ones to make things cheaper.The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry0
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