Main Discussion about NW pricing and effect on game
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Changing a Chess like game into a game like Checkers in the middle of play may alienate more players than you think.
Tread very careful PWI.
After years of work on my chars to get where I am without being lazy and using the cheats, and setting that as my personal goal, you have just left me with a very bad taste in my mouth.
Lazy people and Cheat users do prosper I see. b:sad
I hope you people never teach my children.There are old Warriors, and bold Warriors,
but there are very few old bold Warriors. b:chuckle0 -
Loved the new NW's
Took over a year break and caught wind of an expansion coming so i decided to swing back in and get back in touch with my toon before the launch. I was pretty sure i wasnt going to stick around , In fact I havnt even joined back up in TW/factions yet. After the NW event, I have to admit ill be sticking around now, was the most fun ive had in game in years.
For those complaining about rewards, give it some time, things will balance back out (predicting 250k/500krap) as a norm. I remember a day when people said OMG TT will die now.. 3-4 years later and it seems to still be doing fine. I even made a quick 100mil from TTs in a 2 day period after returning. Nirvana will most likely be the same.
Ive played many games where the gears/items get stagnant and nothing is done, those games seem to die off. Looking over whats available for new items and gears.. seems to me theres alot to work towards still. Pricing out/figuring out how many of the war badge things I need alone has me farming NW's for over a year alone.
Being a R9 allready and someone who LIKES challenges, I very very much like the fact that more people will be competive overall. Will make TW's as well as future NW's even more fun.
For those of you who pretty much lived in Nirvana, I feel ya, been there done that (then they put in R9) easy mode .. even had MOG's obtainable via DQ points at the time. Shortly after that I realized how silly Nirvana 5min runs were in the first place and was longing for funner places with more balanced squads. IE: Lunar and Warsong.
Give it some time , the market will work itself out.
Thanks again for the Fun NW's looking forward to the next b:victory0 -
for all the people who are QQing about how they farmed hard last days i have 1 thing to ask
how is it possible that you all didnt see this coming the next day after expansion? i mean, most of people were talking about new forges, and 1 token = 1 rap/5 cannys. it was obvious that prices would drop.0 -
Noticed biggest complainers about NW are the bm's and sins that rulled Nirvy.As a cleric it was upsetting the only way to make good coinage was in nirvanna and by time got into it along came 5aps .Noone wanted a cleric then i built a bm and by time got him to 5 aps it was 3-4 man sqds needed an opener.
I played for over 3 years and got frustrated at my clerics squishyness 9.7k hp 9.7 pdef 12k elm and poof 3 shoots from r9 and dead lol.TW was fun but hard to do with my work scheadule.
I took 8 mnth break and came back just intime for update,little disapointed about no server vs server but will now change bm to be an axe bm and finish the nirvy set. back to how had farm before and go on having fun.
Cleric still suxs vs r9 but enjoy hell out of the sins that think because im arcane they gonna get an easy 2spark outa steath kill.It is funnier then killin a noob listining to there exscuses as why they just lost to a cleric.
bottom line if game isnt fun ,try find a way to make fun or just dont play,after all it is a game not life.
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Thank you PWI for the slap in the face. I really appreciate it. So awesome.0
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Now nobody has a way of making money anymore b:surrender because the main way of making money has already become obselete0
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I see all of you QQ about Nirvy now but how on the fact if you started a new toon on your servers?
Every instance is gone. No more squads for TT or lunar. Maybe you all should stop qq and doiing PWLVL. Its started to be boring to even started playing PWI as a newby. Not even speaking on the prices you ppl ask for stuff........omg no wonder ppl need to buy and sell gold to make a living in PWI.0 -
I see all of you QQ about Nirvy now but how on the fact if you started a new toon on your servers?
Every instance is gone. No more squads for TT or lunar. Maybe you all should stop qq and doiing PWLVL. Its started to be boring to even started playing PWI as a newby. Not even speaking on the prices you ppl ask for stuff........omg no wonder ppl need to buy and sell gold to make a living in PWI.
Perhaps you don't understand what working for what you have means to you. So since PWI has made these changes its a huge slap in the face for those of us who do work for what we had. Now its being handed out like candy on Halloween. What a waste of 2 years of my life. I want that time back please.0 -
Simply stupid. NV was a way for the free player to get better armors, now it's just handed to us overnight. This is basically a private server as far as ease of getting stuff.
Not evven close to a private server.The event was really fun and you have a new long way of farming what you want now.Also not everyone have 1st r9.Am happy i can finally pvp with my guild instead of living in dungeons for years.,like I have always been.Nothing is to easy to get in PWI.0 -
Hydrios - Sanctuary wrote: »Now nobody has a way of making money anymore b:surrender because the main way of making money has already become obselete
some people i know made around 150 mil in 2 hours tonight b:laugh0 -
Well, Nirvana is Officially a DEAD instance. Thanks a lot PWI, great job for NON PVP players !!
If you ask me Nation War will or has already killed the game for most people!0 -
All I'm seeing is people crying about this new content b:laugh
I for one am loving this new place as its in your face fighting and not running and more running like TW, it also opens up more faction to faction interaction allowing people to spread their wings a little so to speak... As for rewards I welcome it also, I have worked hard on my g16 and spent a lot of coin to finally get it done only to find this new instance gives a butt ton of raps/cannies, am I crying NO as finally it is going to level the playing field quite a bit for TW's and other PVP/PVE events/instances.
Yes granted the economy will take a hit for a little while but lets be fair if anything destroyed the economy its all you greedy people who kept kicking up the prices, its you people who are moaning about it as you will now be lost without your precious coin making by spamming vana and refusing classes/telling people to link weapons etc, won't happen now will it as everyone will be linking G16 or R9 3rd.. This game had become a cash shoppers wet dream of increasing prices and doing things amongst your own cash shopper buddies e-peens and all.. As the GM said things go through changes so do not fret little sheep as things will settle in time and as Astrelle said markets will open up elsewhere.. Who knows a level cap increase and new items may be added one day so that you can merch prices up till your hearts content >.> perfect example is Gold look at the prices today, TT mats, Gems.. EVERYTHING!! Way too high and only really benefits those who do or have cashshopped before not those who truely worked for their items via constant farming or mats to make their stuff
OH NO!!! The fear of spending that money on gear only to get people kicking your butts
sucks don't it? but again as GM stated being "OP" and having an advantage does not last forever, so you guys who poured countless money or coin via farming caster to get high gear and refine it etc should blame yourself as you should know better lol.. Even this gear g16/R9 3rd may be obsolete eventually and you will all moaning and b:cry 'ing about everything all over again, Never happy are you GEEZ..
ON A FINAL NOTE THIS IS AN EVER EXPANDING MMORPG NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS AN ENDING!! SO ALL YOU THAT THINK END GAME GEAR BLAH BLAH YOU'RE ALL IDIOTS THAT IS ALL
AND THOSE COMPLAINING ABOUT WASTING SO MUCH TIME ON GEAR *sigh* GET A GRIP AND GET OUT THE DAMN HOUSE THEN LMAO PW DOES NOT TELL YOU TO SIT HERE FOR YEARS MULTIPLE HOURS A DAY, THAT IS YOUR CHOICE... THANK YOU PW FOR THIS I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING WHERE THIS IS GOING AND HOW PVP/PVE WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS!! GREAT JOB AND KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK b:victory0 -
ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »Are you really questioning what lower levels are supposed to "farm" or "do"?
TT is not worthless. People still farm the instance and sell gold mats to make TT99 gear.
I agree NV is worthless now due to being able to get raptures and cannies, but that can easily be solved by increasing the drop rate in that instance.
I don't think you're understanding my message at all. Re-read what I wrote and give a thought before responding obnoxiously. b:chuckle
And how are "Lower levels" supposed to farm TT99 gold mats?0 -
Perhaps you don't understand what working for what you have means to you. So since PWI has made these changes its a huge slap in the face for those of us who do work for what we had. Now its being handed out like candy on Halloween. What a waste of 2 years of my life. I want that time back please.
same thing happened in the past, and will happen again
i remember people who actualy farmed fb 59 for rep badges(maybe 1 or 2 on sanctuary) then pwi released anni packs wich would let you trade tokens for rep badge, people started farming to buy r8 with tokens (i'm not sure of the price back then but i think it was like 500-600 mil, if someone remember please correct me). after some people had r8, and a lot more were halfway there, pwi made r8=72 gold.
if you want to be one the first people with good gear, you will pay more, in ANY game, get used to it0 -
Aquilez - Sanctuary wrote: »some people i know made around 150 mil in 2 hours tonight b:laugh
There will be some market for Canny and Raps as long as there is R9 people who want's Stage 2 R9. After that, market will just collapse as there will be no demand for Canny and Raps.
Also, game is now dead for PVE, nothing to farm, quests are boring...
They just forced PVP, and I guess that someone saw other game, that is good at PVP, and said "Hey, wait! I know! Let's force PVP in PWI!!!"
Nation Wars is fun - but rewards killed the game for PVE people.0 -
So the nirvana market crashed? Fuzzy can't help but laugh.
For how long have we been seeing the most OP on every server farm it for profit? The rich get richer much?
R9 gear is always max socket, max stats. If you farm a set of nirvana, as the panda has done on multiple characters, your canny's and rap's maybe get you 2 maybe get you 3 maybe even 4 sockets if you are lucky. Maybe you get a good roll, maybe you get a usless one. Maybe you need to re-roll once, maybe you need to pay and roll 1000 times before you are satisfied.
How many people have sold their nirvana keys to those who can run an aps nirvana with 2 or maybe 3 people reaping the profit reward? Panda doesn't think you are selling your keys to people who actually need the gear, just to those who have even better that are just farming coin.
Does it suck that there is no profit now for those who already have gear that can destroy the instance and farm for coin? Sure it does. It also however helps others who want to grow their gear.
People who farm nirv for coin and complain are those who don't need the raps and cannys. 1000's who need the mats and cant seem to merch or CS the gear can maybe now get their hands on it. Round and round the circle grows and as more people upgrade the more interesting and competivite the new wars grow.
Where is the problem here?0 -
And how are "Lower levels" supposed to farm TT99 gold mats?
Erm like normal people used to such a very long time ago? You know squads and friends b:surrender and if you're trying to farm them way before needed then obviously you do not stand a chance.. All toons are able to run TT for any type of mat although it does help if you get involved with people and most factions offer help for such runs as they used to be lower levels too.. On a side not 99gear is not meant to be obtainable before that level just merching etc has made it possible the game intends for you to work for such stuff at the required level, the encyclopedia kinda proves that with its recommended gear section o.O0 -
Aquilez - Sanctuary wrote: »same thing happened in the past, and will happen again
i remember people who actualy farmed fb 59 for rep badges(maybe 1 or 2 on sanctuary) then pwi released anni packs wich would let you trade tokens for rep badge, people started farming to buy r8 with tokens (i'm not sure of the price back then but i think it was like 500-600 mil, if someone remember please correct me). after some people had r8, and a lot more were halfway there, pwi made r8=72 gold.
if you want to be one the first people with good gear, you will pay more, in ANY game, get used to it
Basically, they're doing a damn good job at losing business. They are bound to lose numerous players to this change. My point is that people who do spend money and work hard for their gear did get a slap in the face. And since its continuously happening, well.. guess that's their problem. Don't tell me to get used to something. Many people are truely disgusted at what happened today. They could have made it more easily obtainable... but really? this easily? it's stupid. What a waste of mine ( and many others ) time.0 -
So the nirvana market crashed? Fuzzy can't help but laugh.
For how long have we been seeing the most OP on every server farm it for profit? The rich get richer much?
R9 gear is always max socket, max stats. If you farm a set of nirvana, as the panda has done on multiple characters, your canny's and rap's maybe get you 2 maybe get you 3 maybe even 4 sockets if you are lucky. Maybe you get a good roll, maybe you get a usless one. Maybe you need to re-roll once, maybe you need to pay and roll 1000 times before you are satisfied.
How many people have sold their nirvana keys to those who can run an aps nirvana with 2 or maybe 3 people reaping the profit reward? Panda doesn't think you are selling your keys to people who actually need the gear, just to those who have even better that are just farming coin.
Does it suck that there is no profit now for those who already have gear that can destroy the instance and farm for coin? Sure it does. It also however helps others who want to grow their gear.
People who farm nirv for coin and complain are those who don't need the raps and cannys. 1000's who need the mats and cant seem to merch or CS the gear can maybe now get their hands on it. Round and round the circle grows and as more people upgrade the more interesting and competivite the new wars grow.
Where is the problem here?
THANK YOU FUZZY THE VOICE OF DAMN REASON!!! I SALUTE YOU SIR o70 -
2 things:
1) Don't add new content that invalidates old content; new content should compliment or improve the old, not destroy it.
2) Don't force people to pvp to farm their gear.
That is all.0 -
Thethirdhalf - Archosaur wrote: »Basically, they're doing a damn good job at losing business. They are bound to lose numerous players to this change. My point is that people who do spend money and work hard for their gear did get a slap in the face. And since its continuously happening, well.. guess that's their problem. Don't tell me to get used to something. Many people are truely disgusted at what happened today. They could have made it more easily obtainable... but really? this easily? it's stupid. What a waste of mine ( and many others ) time.
I'm sorry but what? You thought the people who worked hard and spent money would be sitting at the top forever? Do you live in the real world xD we do that every day of our lives but people seem to think nopes not on a game lol, what if PW started moaning at us everytime we left their game as we shouldn't have lives we should be playing forever
WAKE UP PEOPLE!! You have a f2p game what the hell are you moaning at o.O people moan about cash shoppers so they make it easier for all to have decent gear without dumping cash into a game that requires it to stay afloat and you STILL MOAN.. Just please all people moaning just GTFO you're all stupid and ungrateful x.x0 -
The biggest problem is that it is a timed event. If everyone could go to it it would be fine and i would live with the nirvy crash, just like the TT crash.
This however is only played at 20:20 server time! For those who can't make that time then we are royally passed over. I can't play this game from 11:20pm till 1:20am. If this is going to the the new norm then please make varying times for this event to occur. Otherwise the gap will become between those who can and those who can't nation war. At least with nirvy i could find a squad and enter at any time i choose. Now even with 2x nirvy can't come anywhere close to compete.
If this is unchanged i might just have to quit PWI and i have been here since 1 month after Beta.0 -
I'm sorry but what? You thought the people who worked hard and spent money would be sitting at the top forever? Do you live in the real world xD we do that every day of our lives but people seem to think nopes not on a game lol, what if PW started moaning at us everytime we left their game as we shouldn't have lives we should be playing forever
WAKE UP PEOPLE!! You have a f2p game what the hell are you moaning at o.O people moan about cash shoppers so they make it easier for all to have decent gear without dumping cash into a game that requires it to stay afloat and you STILL MOAN.. Just please all people moaning just GTFO you're all stupid and ungrateful x.x
More or less, people should be leaning more one way of being happy about the change, or not happy about it. Since it's basically split between the middle (those who are lazy and those who work for it) It's a pretty good given that they shouldnt have gone about it the way they did. Sorry Im happy you've decided to obtain the gear after many of us worked forever to get it. Good for you, annoying for the rest of us. That is all.0 -
Reliea - Sanctuary wrote: »2 things:
1) Don't add new content that invalidates old content; new content should compliment or improve the old, not destroy it.
2) Don't force people to pvp to farm their gear.
That is all.
Force? I dont see it, all your gear will be a fraction of the price compared to before and you wouldn't even have to enter the PVP area.. On top of that you can still run caster and normal vana to get your gear just do not expect huge coin return, if thats your problem hit one of the many markets out there and make your coin... All valid arguments from people but as usual lets sit and moan about things instead of working out other ways to solve things x.x0 -
Let me get this straight,
I after careful consideration of all my options, I chose this game as PWI advertises this game for PvE, with some elements of PvP for those who want to play that way.
I also new that in choosing PvE I would have to work hard ingame to earn my way up.
At 52 years of age and playing multi-player games since owning a newly released Amstrad 80286 I knew exactly what I wanted from this game, and suggesting that I do not know how much fun PK is shows the ignorance of the person making the statement.
Just to cater to PvP players they allow you to go white named on PvE servers.
They even offer the opportunity to join servers based on PvP only for those who think its so much fun.
Not to mention TWs.
Now nation wars.
And they even have other games in their stable that any PvP player may play with only PvP.
Somewhere along the line, someone is going to become aware off or remember that when this new novelty wears of we will be back at server merge discussions due to the lack of players once again. b:chuckle (especially the PvP ones I note from reading forums posts lately b:chuckle )
At least stop pretending that you provide a rewarding PvE environment in your advertising as it has become misleading now.
Prices may settle, but people may not with what you have done to your gameThere are old Warriors, and bold Warriors,
but there are very few old bold Warriors. b:chuckle0 -
Agree absoutily with Fuzzy; aside from the people who feel cheated because they got their gear before something was made to make it easier to get(like basically all the gear has been effected ever that was higher level anyway, lol....), it seems the people who are going to get upset are the people who haven't needed the mats anyway for a long time and are just making money off all the people who need them... I've never really seen the appeal of 'making money off of nirvy' due to my mentality that if I don't need the mats, then I'll give the mats to the faction bank/someone directily so they can go to someone who needs them. This whole nirvy 'market'.... pffffffxD.(Already wonderfully quoted and posted)
'sides if people aren't geared then the tw-faction people lack competition and just get bored unless like one other faction of all the factions attacks them >: Lil' off topic, but you know.
People can actually get the 'gear' slots taken care of and dedicate their time/money to learning skills and getting things like ornaments by farming instances instead of for armour(as in the helm/armlets/leggings/chest/paws... and they can get a decent weapon, too.) and because they have their armour they can maybe actually survive the new instance farming they'll be doing...
The culture'll change and people'll be focused on different things instead of the old things, soooooooo terrible (/sarcasm). >.>'
And people'll need to PvP to get their gear just as much as they'd need to farm for one of the most prevalent items in the market at very cheap prices; (they won't need to.) if they don't want to get the uncannies/raptures from an /event/, then they can still buy them, just like people who don't want to do certain instances bought the things they needed before instead. 'course it's actually affordable to them."Clearly, the only logical option is Squid." -Decus <コ:彡 <コ:彡
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Selak - Dreamweaver wrote: »Let me get this straight,
I after careful consideration of all my options, I chose this game as PWI advertises this game for PvE, with some elements of PvP for those who want to play that way.
I also new that in choosing PvE I would have to work hard ingame to earn my way up.
At 52 years of age and playing multi-player games since owning a newly released Amstrad 80286 I knew exactly what I wanted from this game, and suggesting that I do not know how much fun PK is shows the ignorance of the person making the statement.
Just to cater to PvP players they allow you to go white named on PvE servers.
They even offer the opportunity to join servers based on PvP only for those who think its so much fun.
Not to mention TWs.
Now nation wars.
And they even have other games in their stable that any PvP player may play with only PvP.
Somewhere along the line, someone is going to become aware off or remember that when this new novelty wears of we will be back at server merge discussions due to the lack of players once again. b:chuckle (especially the PvP ones I note from reading forums posts lately b:chuckle )
At least stop pretending that you provide a rewarding PvE environment in your advertising as it has become misleading now.
Prices may settle, but people may not with what you have done to your game
Thank you! couldn't have said that better myself.0 -
Thethirdhalf - Archosaur wrote: »More or less, people should be leaning more one way of being happy about the change, or not happy about it. Since it's basically split between the middle (those who are lazy and those who work for it) It's a pretty good given that they shouldnt have gone about it the way they did. Sorry Im happy you've decided to obtain the gear after many of us worked forever to get it. Good for you, annoying for the rest of us. That is all.
I worked my *** off for my gear through many lunar runs followed by many many caster runs with random squads not to mention the warsong spamming to get the molds I needed + the badges.. A week later this and still not feeling this annoyance. It can open up so much for everyone the main issue is people worrying about coin return and obviously people like you who worked forever to get it also and feel cheated but as someone said this is the price for gear, you do the same with phones etc you buy one only to buy a newer one later when its been released how did people not see this coming o.O0 -
It was quite amazing. I had a blast and tons of fun! I got a large number of raptures/uncannies in TWO hours and all I was doing was playing PvP!!! I wasn't farming, I wasn't living in the same dungeon for 6 hours a day, I was honest-to-god having fun PvPing.
I was one of the first R9s on my server, and even back then, I knew it was only a matter of time before things got easier. That's what happens: things get easier, better stuff comes out, more convenience works its' way into it... this is true with all MMO's and even real life.
Sure I spent tons of money on what I had, but instead of looking at it like that, I look at it as I won't have to spend time or money to get better armor now.
Nirvana was a bad dungeon anyway. Spending hours in the exact same dungeon; the same 6 rooms; the same 7 bosses over and over and over and over again. None of them needed ANY strategy. Even the last boss just became where the sins would use deaden when the chests appeared, and the rest would die or time IG if they really wanted to. But ok, to be fair, playing it the right way with "strategy"... One person runs to a chest, dig it, run back to the mob, and continue what you were doing. So, people may say nirvana is dead, and to that I say RIP.
Adapt.0 -
I understood both sides, the pro and the con-event-side...but now, I slept over it I'm still happy that PW did it that way.
In my opinion, they tried to end the QQ about overpowerd CS-User. Another game that was released a few weeks ago and because of this a lot over player left PW- I wont call it by name but there is the word "Wars" in it :P- use as far as I know a similar kind of mechanism. Everyone is equal, the only thing that matters is skill. And tbh- we have too many players without that :P
Ya, it RLY sucks for those, that farmed vana for months. I also had 1/3 cannies and rap....for ONE part. Ya, it sucks, that I payed like 100kk for a part of the mats, when raps where like 2m or more and even squadintern 1.3m. BUT tbh I'm happy I don't have to live in vana for the next 1000 years to farm equip more or less equal to other ppl that pay looots of money to PWI. Yes, I'm CS'er too but not THAT hardcore...
Imo a fee for raps= 200k for example would have been better. So the vana mats wouldn't become totally worthless but okay, PW decided another way- maybe they change it, dunno.
An the ppl QQing about the Economy. Ya. Nirvana is dead now. RIP, it was a fun time. BUT they also QQt about Packs, R8,R9..........and now? It's kinda normal. New prices will be set. The economy will change, but not completly die. It will take some time, that's all.
having said this....enjoy your new equip and the more equal TWs
Ps: there are still MANY differences between rich and poor. Rich= +12 gear, poor= +4 f.e. So give us poor ppl at least nice equip :P0
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