How do you feel about the free-PVP in SP?
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Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »The Dan needs to give up. I 100% agree with him, but I learned that it isn't only rt subforums where logic with supporting well thought out arguements and evidence is not only blatantly ignored, but ridiculed as well.
That's everywhere b:surrender
Everyone on my server is acting like the only quests noobs will ever need to do are in SP, and that is all they can do to level to 100, and they can not afford teleport at all if they need Quingzi.
They are happy to sit there and whine about it like it is the end of pwi as we know it, but will they go in there and pkk if it matters so much to them? Or give noobs cash for teles, escort them through... probably not.
There's a huge lack of perspective on their part imo.0 -
TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »OK, you've made your point, but nothing is actually required in SP until Culti 100. As is Cube Room 38.
I'm against PvP against lower levels in SP myself because I don't do it, but why do people keep going back to it being required? If it could be any other argument besides that...
The whole bannable **** just makes my eyes twitch.
The only major issue in this is that the people of PWI, old and new alike, are unable to get anything done. It's like me going all the way back to Banjo-Tooie on N64 and trying to beat that rediculous Canary Mary on the mouse race in that cloud world (talk about old).
Over...and over...and over....till you win.
It may not amount to much on a PvP server, but for those that play PvE servers and not PvP, they will be the ones hating it all.
Imagine if say I was a new player. I'd walk into SP not knowing what to expect........BAM!........I get PKed......
Think if that had been me as a noob I won't be setting foot back in there till higher levels if at all.
People learn from experiences sure. But with having a PK instance in someplace with that low a level range is not the best idea on a PvE server.
You will get some having issues, and it's something best to avoid if you don't want deal with any future problems, whatever they may produce from this.
As for older players that like to quest and not power level..........well......wouldn't you get ticked if you had to deal with that? High levels friends won't always be on the help with even the small things, and some have alts they play just for peace of mind and not be bothered.
Oh and on a side note, people were already having to deal with mobs being killed that they needed by PKer's before the ban was taken away.0 -
_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »That's everywhere b:surrender
Everyone on my server is acting like the only quests noobs will ever need to do are in SP, and that is all they can do to level to 100, and they can not afford teleport at all if they need Quingzi.
They are happy to sit there and whine about it like it is the end of pwi as we know it, but will they go in there and pkk if it matters so much to them? Or give noobs cash for teles, escort them through... probably not.
There's a huge lack of perspective on their part imo.
It's not that 5k is so much, or that it's the only questing area they can go inside of, or anything of that sort. It's the fact that the people lower than 100 are losing a source of income from going into OHT and why should they have to wait until 100 (30 levels and for the traditional grinders, months of time) to go inside of there when they get the quest at 7x? Why should they have to pay a fee that is quite big for a level 20 (seriously what's a level 20 doing for money?) Why shouldn't they be able to trust what the User Interface tells them? Why should new players first real taste of bhs and the game be constant fodder for higher levels? Why should people have to beg just to play the game? There isn't anything in this game that isn't optional. Not.one.single.thing. It's a video game. Saying it's optional is not a well reasoned thought out argument at all because it's besides the point. If a company is going to advertise that it's one way (RIGHT IN THE USER INTERFACE) and then sell you something else, the customer has the right to be mad. The fact that it's optional product isn't relevant.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »It's not that 5k is so much, or that it's the only questing area they can go inside of, or anything of that sort. It's the fact that the people lower than 100 are losing a source of income from going into OHT and why should they have to wait until 100 (30 levels and for the traditional grinders, months of time) to go inside of there when they get the quest at 7x? Why should they have to pay a fee that is quite big for a level 20 (seriously what's a level 20 doing for money?) Why shouldn't they be able to trust what the User Interface tells them? Why should new players first real taste of bhs and the game be constant fodder for higher levels? Why should people have to beg just to play the game? There isn't anything in this game that isn't optional. Not.one.single.thing. It's a video game. Saying it's optional is not a well reasoned thought out argument at all because it's besides the point. If a company is going to advertise that it's one way (RIGHT IN THE USER INTERFACE) and then sell you something else, the customer has the right to be mad. The fact that it's optional product isn't relevant.
And here it is again. Of course it will sound dreadful if you say they must beg to be allowed to kill what amounts to...maybe 3 bosses total that can't be ported to via stone throughout their entire game experience, but please use some perspective. It is not a huge deal.0 -
Bawwwwwwwwwwww I wanna QQ about something tooooooo.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »Bawwwwwwwwwwww I wanna QQ about something tooooooo.
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_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »And here it is again. Of course it will sound dreadful if you say they must beg to be allowed to kill what amounts to...maybe 3 bosses total that can't be ported to via stone throughout their entire game experience, but please use some perspective. It is not a huge deal.
Nothing in this game is, it's a video game. Customers should still get the product they signed up for though. It says right in the user interface that you can't be PKed until level 30, and then something else is given. Some of them paid money to start out right on a PK server, nothing big maybe just expand their inventory or buy a mount. The stone in fee wouldn't be a big deal for them, but not being able to quest certainly is a big deal to them. This is just as bad as the guild base cancellations in light of the fact they aren't giving refunds. And having to go out begging even once, to even have that be the advice given, is a way big deal. It's putting one person and playstyle in a position of superiority over a another person. That's bound to be embarrassing for say, the level 100 with not the greatest gear, having to beg to be allowed to help their friend with with just one measly boss. Why should they have to justify their playstyle to anyone? Why should they have to beg, even once? It's ridiculous.
I understand that a PVP area has been needed and a long time coming, but to say that it isn't a big deal and that this is an acceptable place for it just isn't true. Put yourselves in other people's shoes. Just because to you it isn't a big deal, because you either don't mind PvP, don't need anything anything in there, consider your cultivation optional, or are one of the PvPers doesn't mean it isn't a big deal to others. If we just dismiss these new players "for making a big deal out of nothing," when the product they signed up for is flat out lying to them we run the risk of losing that new player. And without new players, the game will die. I'm not saying that it will be this change in particular, but PWE seriously needs to start treating new players with the same respect and consideration that they do older ones. Including not making their newbie questing areas (seriously, lower than level 30) a one shot playground for older players, adding new content with gears farmable and comparable to Nirvana so that prices will go down for the older gears, making the help guide in the UI actually helpful, etc.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »Nothing in this game is, it's a video game. Customers should still get the product they signed up for though. It says right in the user interface that you can't be PKed until level 30, and then something else is given. Some of them paid money to start out right on a PK server, nothing big maybe just expand their inventory or buy a mount. The stone in fee wouldn't be a big deal for them, but not being able to quest certainly is a big deal to them. This is just as bad as the guild base cancellations in light of the fact they aren't giving refunds. And having to go out begging even once, to even have that be the advice given, is a way big deal. It's putting one person and playstyle in a position of superiority over a another person. That's bound to be embarrassing for say, the level 100 with not the greatest gear, having to beg to be allowed to help their friend with with just one measly boss. Why should they have to justify their playstyle to anyone? Why should they have to beg, even once? It's ridiculous.
I understand that a PVP area has been needed and a long time coming, but to say that it isn't a big deal and that this is an acceptable place for it just isn't true. Put yourselves in other people's shoes. Just because to you it isn't a big deal, because you either don't mind PvP, don't need anything anything in there, consider your cultivation optional, or are one of the PvPers doesn't mean it isn't a big deal to others. If we just dismiss these new players "for making a big deal out of nothing," when the product they signed up for is flat out lying to them we run the risk of losing that new player. And without new players, the game will die. I'm not saying that it will be this change in particular, but PWE seriously needs to start treating new players with the same respect and consideration that they do older ones. Including not making their newbie questing areas (seriously, lower than level 30) a one shot playground for older players, adding new content with gears farmable and comparable to Nirvana so that prices will go down for the older gears, making the help guide in the UI actually helpful, etc.
You really came back with 2 paragraphs for a 3 sentence reply? I agree that it would be nicer to just open the arena, but people work with what they got. Anyway, I think you've misjudged me. The only time I have so much as touched another player in sp since it became pvp playground was when a friend and I pk'd each other for fun. At any given moment a big chunk of my FL is noobs whom I have helped. It isn't about dismissing newer players or making hell for noobs. But noobs have enough damn content ffs, and dealing with getting pk'd in sp for maybe a week or so of playing this game is not a huge deal.0 -
i think the devs got confused when someone told them SP was where all the pvp'ers go.. umm devs, they ment Silver Pool, not Secret Passage...
Why didnt they just activate those arena things you see all over the darn world, one in every city with a nice lightning effect, i dont think i've ever seen it working, mind you i havent checked in over a year as i dont pvp0 -
I like this thread.
And I think, that we have at least one PK enabled instance already, that I could not to visit because I not like PK - Cube of Fate.
Why there is another one yet - Secret Passage ?
Give something as Arena to PK shifted players and make them happy.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Just had a marvelous idea, make TT's entrance instance pk-enabled, not the tt's themselves (tho that would be funny, fail-tanks getting ganked) just the entrance part with the doors and forges, no chance of any lowbies goin in there, everyone would be 60+0
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SugarPrinces - Sanctuary wrote: »Just had a marvelous idea, make TT's entrance instance pk-enabled, not the tt's themselves (tho that would be funny, fail-tanks getting ganked) just the entrance part with the doors and forges, no chance of any lowbies goin in there, everyone would be 60+
That's an actual part of TT.
You would go in there and be alone, or with your squad.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
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I really dont know who thought it was a good idea to turn SP into a PVP area, but they need their head examined!!!!!! I joined a PvE server because I like killing the mobs presented to me for quests, and dont want to worry about getting my throat slit by someone hiding around a corner that attacks before I even know they are there. As far as I am concerned, you just opened the doors to force a lot of your patrons to pack up and leave the game if they keep getting slaughtered every time they go to SP either for themselves or to help a lower lvl player.
Also, what the hell are the arenas in the major cities even being used for? thats where the PvP on the PvE servers should be, not in an area where ppl are trying to do their quests. b:angryb:angryb:angryb:angryb:angry0 -
i agree..PVP is made for PVP servers unless the player wants to go into PVP mode..seems like PVP in SP is just for those who dont wanna risk anything but wanna stop low lvl players from doing quest,fb,bh and so on.0
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common staff 69% against this stupid impl. Not enough?0
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TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »I'm aware of that; they're not required though, is all I'm saying. Fb29 is just a tab quest and weapon token quest, tbh.
who decide which quest is required and which isn't?
it depends on the point of view... is cultivation really required?
for some people it is an requirement doing quests for exp, sp, coins, or other rewards, so let them do it and stop talking about required and not required!
ps: i still think it was not intended to be pk enabled, it was just an accident when adding the pw tournament rooms in secret passage0 -
Seriously guys, not everyone on every server is going to grief nabs. And about this "I signed up for a pve server" business, again I say go read the ToS, this kind of change is covered and if you don't like it then uninstall. What's betching on the forums going to do?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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I get sick of people saying it's not necessary for lowbies to go to SP for quests, FB, BH, or whatever. They have more reason to be in SP than all these high lvl stalkers waiting on easy prey. One of the biggest and most well known TW factions on my server has had a few of it's 103-105 players sitting in SP and killing people who try to quest. That is extremely pathetic.
I think these are the people who get picked on in school and are too weak to fight back, so they use their parent's credit card to make a character in a game that can pick on smaller people. Makes them feel better I guess. Next time you get pked in SP, just relax and try not to feel bad for the poor chump who just killed you. He probably got his coke-bottle glasses bashed in around his face and his lunch money stolen, so now he picks on you to feel big.
Congrats bullies! You bought power! It's in-game power, won't help keep you from getting beat up and it sure won't end your sexual frustration, but you can be a minor annoyance to pixels from all over the world! Success![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »It's not that 5k is so much, or that it's the only questing area they can go inside of, or anything of that sort. It's the fact that the people lower than 100 are losing a source of income from going into OHT and why should they have to wait until 100 (30 levels and for the traditional grinders, months of time) to go inside of there when they get the quest at 7x? Why should they have to pay a fee that is quite big for a level 20 (seriously what's a level 20 doing for money?) Why shouldn't they be able to trust what the User Interface tells them? Why should new players first real taste of bhs and the game be constant fodder for higher levels? Why should people have to beg just to play the game? There isn't anything in this game that isn't optional. Not.one.single.thing. It's a video game. Saying it's optional is not a well reasoned thought out argument at all because it's besides the point. If a company is going to advertise that it's one way (RIGHT IN THE USER INTERFACE) and then sell you something else, the customer has the right to be mad. The fact that it's optional product isn't relevant.
The REAL fact of this blunder is the game wishes to promote hacking, circumventing and exploiting of the game. Even the MODs were told to tell players ways around this new change to get to fb29 and told to skip quests all together and exploit the game thru power leveling practices. The game just wants everyone to BUY their way to the top and say FU to every other player who doesnt want to jump thru the PVP hoop.
The vote on the survey stands above 75% of players voting are against the change and has long surpassed the survey the MODs seem to be supporting.0 -
Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »Seriously guys, not everyone on every server is going to grief nabs. And about this "I signed up for a pve server" business, again I say go read the ToS, this kind of change is covered and if you don't like it then uninstall. What's betching on the forums going to do?
Then take your own advice and go uninstall. GOOD BYE!0 -
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They should consider the idea of moving Silver Frost to an instance. And increase(reduce?) the respawn time of the demonfires in the safe zone. Those ossein things are outside.0
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dustinashe wrote: »Good point, However...
the problem with that is losing the money we have already spent on this formerly awesome game.
Not sure i want to throw it ALL away...yet.
DA
Thats the big mistake most ppl make... its entertainment money. This is a video game. The company is choosing to change the player they prefer from the one who spends their entertainment budget to someone who wants to be capitalistic and try to make a profit by hacking the game and caters to lil Jonny who steals dads credit card to power level their way to the top. Personally if thats the motive... I say GOOD LUCK! Other MMOs who have done similar things have had a massive player exit. If they want to embrace the blunder in programming instead of actually properly implementing a wanted change which is an instance with free pvp play then I hope they are prepared to lose players and gain a reputation in the gaming community of less then desirable among casual players.0 -
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Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »I'm not the one QQing over a decision the devs made.
You are complaining about people that are upset. For their own sake or for others in the game. I would hold you as more petty. Grats. Now if you gonna give advice please follow them yourself.0 -
I think its absolutely ridiculous. I am trying to figure out how I am going to get my 3x cleric on Sanctuary through SP to do the quests without getting PK'd over and over.
Honestly, I think it was a glitch, and PW-CN was like 'oh, we meant to do that! LOLZ' just to cover their *****.
The fact that they couldn't have used Cave of Sadistic Glee, an already utterly pointless cave, already in the high level area (if you call 8x high-level), shows me they are completely incompetent at their jobs. Not that we needed any further proof, really, but this act just solidifies my belief in it.
I am pretty p*ssed off.0 -
VioletHeals - Momaganon wrote: »You are complaining about people that are upset. For their own sake or for others in the game. I would hold you as more petty. Grats. Now if you gonna give advice please follow them yourself.
that's terrible logic. They are crying over a change that ToS says can happen and calling it wrong. I'm simply stating that such changes are allowed.and.crying will do nothing. Our opinions as players don't, and shouldn't, matter to the devs because A) this is a business, not a democracy. And
the devs are in China and therefore generally disregard the opinions of westerners. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Nakairu - Archosaur wrote: »I think its absolutely ridiculous. I am trying to figure out how I am going to get my 3x cleric on Sanctuary through SP to do the quests without getting PK'd over and over.
Honestly, I think it was a glitch, and PW-CN was like 'oh, we meant to do that! LOLZ' just to cover their *****.
The fact that they couldn't have used Cave of Sadistic Glee, an already utterly pointless cave
Sadistic glee has quests, you contradict yourself.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »that's terrible logic. They are crying over a change that ToS says can happen and calling it wrong. I'm simply stating that such changes are allowed.and.crying will do nothing. Our opinions as players don't, and shouldn't, matter to the devs because A) this is a business, not a democracy. And the devs are in China and therefore generally disregard the opinions of westerners.
This is not completely true. They certainly changed the TW back to the way it was when the amount of people started getting bleak every weekend.
But then again those players are mostly PKers. So yes they do more business, but it was something they changed back.
I certainly saw enough complaining on the forums back then, now lets see if they listen to the other side of the coin of PvEers and do something about this as well.0
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