bm class made weaker?

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  • Daizengar - Sanctuary
    Daizengar - Sanctuary Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I don't know if I'm the only person affected by this, but now my playstyle with the Seeker is also pretty much ruined. I loved getting those free teleports and free purify thanks to CC.

    PW killed 2 classes for me in one stroke. And I don't like the Sin anywhere near enough to be able to overlook this.

    b:sad
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Ceiba - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I also agree with fixing this exploit, and yes It was a exploit so it was bound to happen.

    You were never supposed to cancel a skill and still get the buff regardless of how fair/unfair the buff was.

    I hope this means that they are going to start bug/exploit fixing, what I completely disapprove is that they never said a single word about it, submarine patch anyone?. this kind of fixes need to be mentioned on the patch notes, but that did not ahppen so they either did not know about it (my best guess) or they knew about it and keep us in the dark as usual.
    I agree! You know what else isn't working like it was meant to and should be fixed? Nix bleeding. GTFO

    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    /fail

    You're a day late and a dollar short.

    Also, Rank 9 axes are one of the best weapons in the game. Highly refined, you can now kill Rank 9 anything with them. AA and LA classes can be one-shot again.

    b:bye
    30 attack levels really make that big of a difference? I was stunlocking a +10 AA for good 5 minutes but my GoF Nirvana axes just couldn't get through the charm and genie.
  • Celestyna - Heavens Tear
    Celestyna - Heavens Tear Posts: 629 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    If you never cc'd dbb in nirvana squad then you were missing out on a lot of extra dd. Ignorance is bliss, until you find out what you've lost, then you'll start to rage.

    a game isnt worth raising the blood pressure. I have been effected by changes they have done before and still have not raged about it. This does sound like it was a glitch so here is to hoping they are working on some more of the glitches and bugs, such as that magic shell issue... would be nice.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Celestyna - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    a game isnt worth raising the blood pressure. I have been effected by changes they have done before and still have not raged about it. This does sound like it was a glitch so here is to hoping they are working on some more of the glitches and bugs, such as that magic shell issue... would be nice.

    Ever heard of a bell curve? See your on the far lefthand side of the bm one.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    *facepalm* CCing is to bm's as pulling is to venos, both started as glitches but we're later openly accepted by the gm's and stated as beign part of the class and not an exploitable glitch.

    So what just happened was not a "fix" and there was no buff

    Where the hell do you get this nonsense. Since when has either been openly accepted by GMs? Show me one GM statement that supports what you just made up.

    And veno pet pulling should be fixed as well. Lets hope that exploit gets removed in the next patch.
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Celestyna - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    a game isnt worth raising the blood pressure. I have been effected by changes they have done before and still have not raged about it. This does sound like it was a glitch so here is to hoping they are working on some more of the glitches and bugs, such as that magic shell issue... would be nice.

    It wasn't a glitch fullstop. The only thing it might have been if it was an exploit, but it was commonly known and accepted for over 3 years. I have no idea why people refer to it as glitching and if it was so bad and not intended why didn't the gms fix it years ago? You simply cast a skill and cancel it by changing out another weapon, you've never channel cancelled any of your skills?
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Where the hell do you get this nonsense. Since when has either been openly accepted by GMs? Show me one GM statement that supports what you just made up.

    And veno pet pulling should be fixed as well. Lets hope that exploit gets removed in the next patch.

    Here let me dig through god knows how many pages of the main forum to find one post in one thread just to show you.

    Ya, i dont really care about your opinion enough to go to all that effort.
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  • T_i_m - Dreamweaver
    T_i_m - Dreamweaver Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Honestly even with cc DBB and GS, bm's were still subpar next to tricked-out r9 toons.

    LINE PIECE!!!
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I call it a sin sparking and hitting auto attack.

    You're an idiot, you just complained about classes with "your" weapon and your retort is about sins. I see what you did there.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You're an idiot, you just complained about classes with "your" weapon and your retort is about sins. I see what you did there.

    Exactly what you did? I was talkign about solo DD you brought in debuffs. So i swapped to daggers when you wanted fists. amazing how anyone can prove a point by rapidly changeing the topic to w/e they want right?

    On that note demon amplify damage out DD's demon HF in the long term and demon venos sparkign at 5 aps would out DD the bm by quite a bit due to the higher weapon multiplier.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    You can't expect people to take you seriously when you just make nonsense up. That's not how reality works. In reality neither pet pull nor cancel glitching has ever been approved by GMs.
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So. you think it would be cool to do 2-x Wurlord without pulling? Or maybe fight Ofo and all his adds at the same time?

    You've never done wurlord without pulling? You can just barrage all the clones while the tank grabs boss aggro.

    People like to think Wurlord is a case where veno pulling is necessary except if you were truely meant to veno pull they would have made the clones impossibly difficult.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA0gkb5TBVk
  • damienthorn
    damienthorn Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I can't believe you all are qqing about a glitch.......
    The word glitch itself implies abuse of the system. Stop trying to dress it up by saying "cc" and stuff.b:angry

    I'm glad it's gone. So are the majority of players who play the game legit. You Bm's qqing to no end, but there are so many that are cheering this change, cos sins got some measure of nerfing. Not only PD, but glitching the water buff too, and a variety of other hax wich make sins more OP then they already are.
    Finally expel means safety for squishy classes getting jumped by invisi sins with 70% crit. Oops no more 70% now huh? Welcome to the game as it should be noobs!b:victory
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    ^ read this
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    It wasn't a glitch fullstop. The only thing it might have been if it was an exploit, but it was commonly known and accepted for over 3 years. I have no idea why people refer to it as glitching and if it was so bad and not intended why didn't the gms fix it years ago? You simply cast a skill and cancel it by changing out another weapon, you've never channel cancelled any of your skills?
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You can't expect people to take you seriously when you just make nonsense up. That's not how reality works. In reality neither pet pull nor cancel glitching has ever been approved by GMs.

    Both were as was nix bleed *shrug*

    Seriously do you expect me to carry a breifcase of dogeared comments? Can you prove that a GM did not confirm it? No because you dont feel like digging through 235834096 posts either.

    You used 5 aps to farm a rank 9 full JOSD archer while claiming vit stones were better in the long run and 5 aps was a horrible broken thing that should be removed from game. Wanna talk out of both sides of your mouth some more?
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Just because a glitch is around for years doesn't mean it's not a glitch anymore. This is PWI we are talking about. Many of the bugs have been around for years.

    Now you're saying you aren't allowed to fix one glitch unless you fix every other glitch at the same time? How would they possibly fix any if that were the case?

    This was a bigger problem because of sins being able to glitch cancel powerdash while still in stealth. It's good they can no longer abuse that.
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    You're telling me they're gonna start fixing stuff now? Okay lets just see what they're gonna fix next, 1000 bucks says they're not gonna fix anything for a few months, but I hope I'm wrong.

    Half my post got removed because I used the pound sign. :|
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Ast's R9 was mostly from merchanting. We don't even farm anymore, just do BH and talk.

    Also, Ast sharded Jades cuz she had more than 10k hp unbuffed...IIRC the cutoff point in HP against someone with 100 attack levels was somewhere in the 9k's.

    You want me to pull up that thread again?
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Just because a glitch is around for years doesn't mean it's not a glitch anymore. This is PWI we are talking about. Many of the bugs have been around for years.

    Now you're saying you aren't allowed to fix one glitch unless you fix every other glitch at the same time? How would they possibly fix any if that were the case?

    This was a bigger problem because of sins being able to glitch cancel powerdash while still in stealth. It's good they can no longer abuse that.

    Again its possible to chose what skills the order of cast and channel buff are as is proven by demon sunder.

    Sins can still spark in stealth and water/crit buffs work just fine if cast normaly PD is such overkill in pvp that its not even funny to begin with its not like the class has been given any kind of real nerf

    The only class boned here from a pvp prespective is the already underpowered bm's. I'm saying it was an intentionaly nerf of a balanced class for absolutely no real reason.

    @ Quilue: i clearly remember a thread where i mentioned JOSD > vit vs attack levels with high HP and had the archer forum swarm me with bad math claiming that even at 10k hp vit would be better, on a wizz. So either A the def level calulations are intentionaly flawed, or B Ast intentionaly gimped his own toon. Between that and the above mentioned hypocrisy i really dont give a damn.
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  • Zankanto - Sanctuary
    Zankanto - Sanctuary Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Josh, just leave this ****ed up game and its filth behind already. As long as these things don't affect them, they have no reason to support us or complain.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    It wasn't bad archer math. You were just wrong.

    No one claimed that at 10k unsocketed hp, vit was better lol...

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=13123421&postcount=24

    So since Ast is at 12k unbuffed hp without sharding anything in the R9, Ast sharded Jades. She's not being a hypocrite. You think we're all stupid or something? Ast, Me, Fleuri, Adroit, Dan? etc etc etc and you're the only one right?
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Both were as was nix bleed *shrug*

    Seriously do you expect me to carry a breifcase of dogeared comments? Can you prove that a GM did not confirm it? No because you dont feel like digging through 235834096 posts either.
    I can't disprove that unicorns exist either but that doesn't mean they do.
    You used 5 aps to farm a rank 9 full JOSD archer while claiming vit stones were better in the long run and 5 aps was a horrible broken thing that should be removed from game. Wanna talk out of both sides of your mouth some more?


    I actually have a healthy mix of JoSD and Vit stones and think that is pretty good in most circumstances. I even wrote a tool that helps people decide what is best for them.

    Also the difference between you and me is that I when I abuse game flaws I don't pretend that doesn't make them flaws any more :)

    For instance in cube room 47 I will often follow someone into the room after waiting 90 seconds so when they leave the central mob will lose aggro. That is exploiting a design flaw of the room and I won't complain if they ever fix it.
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  • ChiefZoltar - Heavens Tear
    ChiefZoltar - Heavens Tear Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    . . . . What a load of ****. BMs may as well start sharding elemental attack gems now, ffs. Without DBB cancel BMs get rolled by expel.

    And how about those Sage BMs? No more CH CC for 5aps eh? This is by far one of the lamest updates ever. BMs will be an auto attack class in PvP like sins.

    Wait. Are you saying Wind Shield doesn't work? Or are you just being ignorant to the fact that you have a genie?
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    ChiefZoltar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Wait. Are you saying Wind Shield doesn't work? Or are you just being ignorant to the fact that you have a genie?

    Sure.. cancel out your spark's damage reduction for a weaker one, smart.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It wasn't bad archer math. You were just wrong.

    No one claimed that at 10k unsocketed hp, vit was better lol...

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=13123421&postcount=24

    So since Ast is at 12k unbuffed hp without sharding anything in the R9, Ast sharded Jades. She's not being a hypocrite. You think we're all stupid or something? Ast, Me, Fleuri, Adroit, Dan? etc etc etc and you're the only one right?

    Since you just keep saying the same things over and over yes. I think your a constant suckup to Ast who cant think for himself and has a mediocre grasp on the ideas at best.

    Adroit is a wizz with good timeing and little to no grasp of possible endgames who's had his head inflated by hero worship. If he would deflate a bit I really wouldent mind him

    Dan, i actually like, he openly admits to learning his class at 100 and is usualy chilled out even if he's wrong. Not the brightest guy out there but open to new ideas and has timeing on his skills as good or better than mine. never got a chance to play with him at even gear so that'll be up in the air forever.

    Ast i think does know what it's doing and intentionaly feeds whatever information is most profitable to himself into the forum. Have thought that ever since he leaked the first Josd vs vit comparison on the archer forums.

    In short my opinions and personal like or dislike of people has nothing to do with their IQ and rather than play nice I simply project myself in a straightforward and clear manner. if yuor wondering I'm like this IRL as well.

    In short if you ever bothered takeign apart the formulas given to you or asking why they work that way you'd see an issue with em as well. I dont think i'm better than you I just have a different prespective.
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  • ChiefZoltar - Heavens Tear
    ChiefZoltar - Heavens Tear Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Sure.. cancel out your spark's damage reduction for a weaker one, smart.

    Well, if you're sage and being out DD'd, I don't think the damage reduction will make a difference.
    If you're out DDing everyone else, do you really need the 5.0?
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Heh let's drop personal opinions of people from the topic lol. Also 5aps and other things can have their own topic.

    Personally I feel glitch canceling was being more heavily abused by sins than by bms but maybe I haven't been paying much attention to how often BMs glitch dbb in PVP.

    I never liked glitch canceling because it doesn't make any sense. If a skill is canceled why should you get a buff from it? It also heavily favors those with less latency.

    To tell the truth I am shocked PWE has actually fixed one of its long standing glitches and think that is a positive thing that they are beginning to look at those kinds of things.
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    ChiefZoltar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well, if you're sage and being out DD'd, I don't think the damage reduction will make a difference.
    If you're out DDing everyone else, do you really need the 5.0?

    I don't think you understand. 4.0 sage sparked, or even 3.33 will out DD 5.0 unsparked. Whilst windshield makes you 5aps, it cancels the damage from spark.

    Oh :/ well i could've sworn when i tried windshield sparked my damage reduced back down to normal. But the frenzy thing is a valid point :|
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    Whilst windshield makes you 5aps, it cancels the damage from spark.

    No it doesn't. Windshield only cancels the damage reduction. Also it means you don't have the energy to spam frenzy.
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  • ChiefZoltar - Heavens Tear
    ChiefZoltar - Heavens Tear Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    I don't think you understand. 4.0 sage sparked, or even 3.33 will out DD 5.0 unsparked. Whilst windshield makes you 5aps, it cancels the damage from spark.

    Windshield doesn't cancel the damage. Just the damage reduction. But like I said if you really need the extra damage reduction, you won't be using windshield. If you don't need the damage reduction, you can use windshield all you want without a care in the world.

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