bm class made weaker?

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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Ceiba - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yes I would not mind, call me old school or whatever, but I think thats how you were supposed to do them. In fact I would not mind if bosses respawned their minions every now and then. IMO those bosses were supposed to be a challenge. Also wurlord shadow clones are nowhere near as tough as the real one.

    Sorry for beign off-topic BTW, my last reply to this. Feel free to PM me if anything.

    Enjoy being *** ***** by a football team of Wurlords. You've gotta be trolling...
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I take back that solidarity comment

    MD is special.

    Spend money. Fists for pvp is so last year.

    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Fixed.

    /yawn
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Zankanto - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Call it whatever you want, but if this is an exploit and it got fixed, then ALL the other exploits should be fixed. Lets start with getting those archers and barbs back together with their bows and axes.

    They were OBVIOUSLY never meant to use those weapons, they don't even have masteries for them! Therefore, use of such weapons is an exploit that should be "fixed".

    Why would they fix that now?

    The biggest difference in DD between my claw barb and my BM is that my BM can (could) CC cyclone heel for an attack speed bump, and DBB for fire dmg. Now its not worth the time or chi. Between Poison Fang and Titans buff my barb out DDs my BM with fists now, prolly even without Titans. Barbs also get -int on their wrists and pants for rank 9, BMs dont. This effectively makes barbs a better claw user than BMs.

    Same with Archers, who can 5.0 base and don't need to CC cyclone. They also have an active blazing arrow buff for fire dmg. BMs used to have a skill they could channel for fire dmg but its basically ineffective now. so Archers are better claw users than BMs.

    Wizards can self buff Frostblade and hit the same aps using genie.
    Clerics can debuff a mob, first and use a genie for the same aps.
    Psy's can...
    Sins can...
    Veno's can... (prolly still glitch claws into fox form for 200% more melee dmg, too. Doubt that was a priority glitch to fix).

    ALL BETTER OR ABOUT THE SAME AS A BM NOW. Ever think of a BM as a claw-clerics HF ****? That's what this patch has "fixed" the game into. *ragequits*
    Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Bms need rank 9 axes+12, sins need g13 nirvana daggers +10~ sounds fair.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So. you think it would be cool to do 2-x Wurlord without pulling? Or maybe fight Ofo and all his adds at the same time?

    The clones are substantially weaker than the real one. Having to do them all at once (which wouldn't be too bad since you'd be limiting the number of clones by killing them each time vs having them ALL there) would actually make Barbs have a valid use again. Plus there's the whole fact that the real one always appears AFTER the clones are spawned, so if you were fast you could grab the clones before he showed up.


    As for the Ofo thing, it's called anti-stuns + AoEs.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Magic classes aside from venos get no phys buff from spark

    Sadly yes, every other 5 aps class is now better with our own weapon than we are now.
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Enjoy being *** ***** by a football team of Wurlords. You've gotta be trolling...

    Old way of doing Wur was Barrage in BB...just so you wouldn't be completely reliant on venos.
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    Qui: b:dirty
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Wizards can self buff Frostblade and hit the same aps using genie.
    Clerics can debuff a mob, first and use a genie for the same aps.
    Psy's can...
    See:
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Magic classes aside from venos get no phys buff from spark

    Sadly yes, every other 5 aps class is now better with our own weapon than we are now.

    and f u for beating me to it, Josh. Dx
  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Magic classes aside from venos get no phys buff from spark

    Sadly yes, every other 5 aps class is now better with our own weapon than we are now.

    Even claw assassins
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Old way of doing Wur was Barrage in BB...just so you wouldn't be completely reliant on venos.

    I've never done the whole group of them except for like.. twice... we lived, but still... why would you wanna go through that? That's just a pain in the *** and more trouble than is needed. Though uh... yeah... fix veno pulling so they can have one less purpose in a squad, I'd love to hear some of them complain, especially a few that have told BMs to shutup about our CCing being taken away.
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Magic classes aside from venos get no phys buff from spark

    Sadly yes, every other 5 aps class is now better with our own weapon than we are now.

    You can 3 spark + cloud eruption + HF + attack.....no none of the others can match your damage.

    More phew phew less QQ

    b:bye
    BladedZero - Sanctuary
    "Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."

    -And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Same with Archers, who can 5.0 base and don't need to CC cyclone. They also have an active blazing arrow buff for fire dmg. BMs used to have a skill they could channel for fire dmg but its basically ineffective now. so Archers are better claw users than BMs.

    /fail

    triple + cloud eruption/white tea + demon hf = learn to use your skills.

    BTW, you can still use death river toxin.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You can 3 spark + cloud eruption + HF + attack.....no none of the others can match your damage.

    More phew phew less QQ

    b:bye

    I call it a sin sparking and hitting auto attack.
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You can 3 spark + cloud eruption + HF + attack.....no none of the others can match your damage.

    More phew phew less QQ

    b:bye

    Once every 2 spark cycles + lose out on spark time from casting HF + need extra time to get that second spark's chi due to running low from the HF.

    Meanwhile, anyone in the same squad as you gets the HF damage bonus and if it's solo, the boost from HF doesn't completely overshadow the other classes since BMs are now starting at a disadvantage and need to catch up.

    More QQ less pew pew.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    Once every 2 spark cycles + lose out on spark time from casting HF + need extra time to get that second spark's chi due to running low from the HF.

    Meanwhile, anyone in the same squad as you gets the HF damage bonus and if it's solo, the boost from HF doesn't completely overshadow the other classes since BMs are now starting at a disadvantage and need to catch up.

    More QQ less pew pew.

    Maybe you should have played a BM in 2009. BMs weren't a DD class, they were a purely a support class.

    b:bye
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  • Daizengar - Sanctuary
    Daizengar - Sanctuary Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Maybe you should have played a BM in 2009. BMs weren't a DD class, they were a purely a support class.

    b:bye

    I was, back when I was like the only person with Deicides and interval gear. b:laugh

    Those were the days...
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Really I think you're all just being spiteful and lashing out at anyone who doesn't happen to completely agree with you. Is this like "NOBODY UNDERSTANDS US?" I can almost hear the Linkin Park in my head as I read these...

    I thought CC was cool, and this post

    was supposed to be a joke.
    Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
    Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
    Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
    Qui: b:dirty
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Maybe you should have played a BM in 2009. BMs weren't a DD class, they were a purely a support class.

    b:bye

    I did, as a DD class, a few of us knew how to play right and refer to those times as the "dark ages" where axe bm idiots ran rampant.

    b:kiss

    @ Quilue: i'm actually humming andrew jackson jihad lyrics as i post.
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Daizengar - Sanctuary
    Daizengar - Sanctuary Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I did, as a DD class, a few of us knew how to play right and refer to those times as the "dark ages" where axe bm idiots ran rampant.

    b:kiss

    @ Quilue: i'm actually humming andrew jackson jihad lyrics as i post.

    I loved all hate pms I got from Axe BMs that got turned into WTFs a few minute later.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Maybe you should have played a BM in 2009. BMs weren't a DD class, they were a purely a support class.

    b:bye
    I did and you're right, they were. Back then in PK, they were also more like "stunlock/HF til your friends kill your opponent or you serk/crit them".

    However, that was then and this is now. In 2008, fists were also considered worst weapon evar and pure vit/axe was the second only to a barb as tank aside from hercs on TT bosses when those showed up.


    Irrelevant nostalgia aside, currently, BMs are a DD/support class and this update has screwed them in regards to the DD part. Seeing as this thread is coming from the present where the role of a DD has started to take priority over support, I find it as rather reasonable to be at least somewhat annoyed by this change that allows another class to be more proficient with your weapon than you are... or did you miss those threads where archers proved that an assassin can out-DPS them with equivalent bows and how that was pretty fckn stupid? Thankfully, the fish can't use Rank 8/9 bows, so they no longer can claim that edge with rank being so easy to gain. In the case of claws, however... well... this thread is here, isn't it?

    b:bye
  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I did, as a DD class, a few of us knew how to play right and refer to those times as the "dark ages" where axe bm idiots ran rampant.

    b:kiss

    @ Quilue: i'm actually humming andrew jackson jihad lyrics as i post.

    You remind me of bugs bunny
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Daizengar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I loved all hate pms I got from Axe BMs that got turned into WTFs a few minute later.

    I miss the old days, and i wish i hadnt dicked around at 70 so much lol, could have enjoyed the endgame a bit longer.

    @ blood: I did seduce elmer fudd a few times, mmm his rifle is sooo smexy
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  • Celestyna - Heavens Tear
    Celestyna - Heavens Tear Posts: 629 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    i guess i never heard about this and survived pretty fine with both my sin and bm b:surrender
    I still get plenty nirvana squads when i want them (asked alot more then i want to go actually lol) so i dont see where it effects me really. I will keep playing my bm as i have always played her
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    MD, I played in 2009. I leveled to about level 15, did some math about weapons, and decided fists were the way to go. Took almost 20 mins. That left me plenty of time to troll the "pro" axe BMs in the forums. btw, welcome back.


    /yawn (that joke never gets old, right? Even after you used it the fourth time).




    Kind of feeling like most of us wanted a Sin nerf, and we got it. We are basically nerfed sins now. Spark spam, stuns for pve, and an amp.
    Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory
  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I miss the old days, and i wish i hadnt dicked around at 70 so much lol, could have enjoyed the endgame a bit longer.

    @ blood: I did seduce elmer fudd a few times, mmm his rifle is sooo smexy

    I bet you just loved it when he poked his rifle down your rabbit hole

    *runs away from thread*
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Celestyna - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i guess i never heard about this and survived pretty fine with both my sin and bm b:surrender

    Change was done this maint so... b:surrender
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I bet you just loved it when he poked his rifle down your rabbit hole

    It was ok till i realized he left the saftey off
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  • SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary
    SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Celestyna - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i guess i never heard about this and survived pretty fine with both my sin and bm b:surrender
    I still get plenty nirvana squads when i want them (asked alot more then i want to go actually lol) so i dont see where it effects me really. I will keep playing my bm as i have always played her

    I believe the complaint is about bms in pvp. I'm sure you still get along fine with that triple spark macro in nirv.
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Celestyna - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i guess i never heard about this and survived pretty fine with both my sin and bm b:surrender
    I still get plenty nirvana squads when i want them (asked alot more then i want to go actually lol) so i dont see where it effects me really. I will keep playing my bm as i have always played her

    If you never cc'd dbb in nirvana squad then you were missing out on a lot of extra dd. Ignorance is bliss, until you find out what you've lost, then you'll start to rage.
    SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I believe the complaint is about bms in pvp. I'm sure you still get along fine with that triple spark macro in nirv.

    It'll take a bigger effect in pvp but it still helped a bunch in pve.
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I get the feeling that "Rabbit hole" and "rifle" are metaphors o.o

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