bm class made weaker?

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  • SoulRequiem - Sanctuary
    SoulRequiem - Sanctuary Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Excuse me can someone clarify this?

    Are we talking about that glitch some BMs use to instant-cast skills like Cyclone Heel/GS/DB/HF/etc?
    Does the"Cancel"(Channelling Interrupt),of Shadowless Kick still works?

    b:puzzled
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  • Infernia - Harshlands
    Infernia - Harshlands Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Sin - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Like i said, i never said sins were balanced. I'm saying with the right technique, you can take down a sin. ANY skilled wizzy knows this. Which is probably why you don't...

    b:chuckle

    I know both sides of this fence. Its entertaining.

    Sin, you make the Asssassins sound too weak, theyre way more OP than you make out.

    Adroit, you should at least admit that its the gear/APS that makes an assassin capable of killing you so fast. If you put everyone in their own R8 gear and nothing else, youd find Sins fairly balanced. (Without sleeves / boots for the newer classes ofc :p). Note, fairly balenced, theyd still usually drop mags, but it would kind of be the point. Theyd get ***** by barbs / BMs 7/10 tho :D.
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I know bright = smart. But it's a metaphor, It's meant to make sence, like sharpest pencil will work because sharp pencils work better. Bright crayons don't work better! you could say that about anything then.
    SoulRequiem - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Excuse me can someone clarify this?

    Are we talking about that glitch some BMs use to instant-cast skills like Cyclone Heel/GS/DB/HF/etc?
    Does the"Cancel"(Channelling Interrupt),of Shadowless Kick still works?

    b:puzzled

    BM's don't cancle cyclone heel/db to instant cast. They cancle the channel to not cast it but get the buff. It doesn't work with hf or gs. what are you talking about with shadowless kick?
  • Infernia - Harshlands
    Infernia - Harshlands Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Can you all stop with that ****ing metaphor?

    Do NOT make me start with who is the RGB 0,0,0 and who is the 255,255,255!
  • Sin - Raging Tide
    Sin - Raging Tide Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    I know bright = smart. But it's a metaphor, It's meant to make sence, like sharpest pencil will work because sharp pencils work better. Bright crayons don't work better! you could say that about anything then.

    The metaphor meaning bright crayon = smart person. It only makes more since because crayons arn't typically suppose to be all that sharp ( like tools and pencils etc...) but ok you win, i give up. -.-
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Sin - Raging Tide wrote: »
    but ok you win, i give up. -.-

    I beat a sin, it's do-able. Don't let my avatar fool you, I'm not a sin.

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  • Sin - Raging Tide
    Sin - Raging Tide Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    I beat a sin, it's do-able. Don't let my avatar fool you, I'm not a sin.

    Awesome, now what kind of cookie do you want?
  • SoulRequiem - Sanctuary
    SoulRequiem - Sanctuary Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    BM's don't cancle cyclone heel/db to instant cast. They cancle the channel to not cast it but get the buff. It doesn't work with hf or gs. what are you talking about with shadowless kick?

    Shadowless Kick does interrupt/cancel someone else channeling.
    Reading OP's post seems like the make the"Cancel",thing not working anymore.
    So I was asking what type of cancel he's talking about.
    The cancel glitch(Which I saw BMs using even for Cyclone Heel/DB)
    Or the cancel channeling thing(Via Shadowless kick).
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  • Aubree - Dreamweaver
    Aubree - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,868 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Yes they are complaining about not getting a buff from canceling skills. Really dumb to say bm never got an update worth anything. They got 5 chi a hit ... But I asked what have casters every got (besides psy)? Nothing, so OP needs to shut it.
  • XCurse - Dreamweaver
    XCurse - Dreamweaver Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Yes they are complaining about not getting a buff from canceling skills. Really dumb to say bm never got an update worth anything. They got 5 chi a hit ... But I asked what have casters every got (besides psy)? Nothing, so OP needs to shut it.

    Psys no OP

    No glitch power dash = slower CoA, BH, TT,FC = maor QQ b:chuckle

    GL sins on pk b:bye
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    . . . . What a load of ****. BMs may as well start sharding elemental attack gems now, ffs. Without DBB cancel BMs get rolled by expel.

    And how about those Sage BMs? No more CH CC for 5aps eh? This is by far one of the lamest updates ever. BMs will be an auto attack class in PvP like sins.
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  • ColdSnow - Dreamweaver
    ColdSnow - Dreamweaver Posts: 983 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    strange that a class that profits the most (along with sins) due aps in game ..complains about getting the shortest stick...
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  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    strange that a class that profits the most (along with sins) due aps in game ..complains about getting the shortest stick...

    *facepalm* We're talking about PvP balance here, no one gives a **** about farming. Cancel casting has little benefit from PvE.

    Honestly, BM classes are pretty worthless atm. They are just another sin class now, no skill, just auto attack.
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    well give bm's stealth, we wouldn't complain with stealth
  • ColdSnow - Dreamweaver
    ColdSnow - Dreamweaver Posts: 983 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    *facepalm* We're talking about PvP balance here, no one gives a **** about farming. Cancel casting has little benefit from PvE.

    Honestly, BM classes are pretty worthless atm. They are just another sin class now, no skill, just auto attack.

    So is a Seeker, yet he is awesome (as a aps bm) in pve. Thats called "balance". Want to use skills in pvp? Then bm is wrong class from the start. Like there was any other method to kill anyone than stun and spark.
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So is a Seeker, yet he is awesome (as a aps bm) in pve. Thats called "balance". Want to use skills in pvp? Then bm is wrong class from the start. Like there was any other method to kill anyone than stun and spark.

    give bms high hitting magic attacks, we won't complain.

    I love bms because of the skill needed. You say "stun and spark" like i's easy, there are so many genie/pots to counter it, timing is essential
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So is a Seeker, yet he is awesome (as a aps bm) in pve. Thats called "balance". Want to use skills in pvp? Then bm is wrong class from the start. Like there was any other method to kill anyone than stun and spark.

    And you're telling people seekers should have been chosen from the start? I don't recall that option being available when I started in 08. b:bye
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  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    *facepalm* We're talking about PvP balance here, no one gives a **** about farming. Cancel casting has little benefit from PvE.

    I guess being on a PvE server I can't relate much but I channel canceled DBB on bosses in Nirvana constantly (CC DBB -> Spark -> Cloud eruption -> demon HF = GOD) so its obviously untrue to say CC never benefited PvE much.

    Honestly, BM classes are pretty worthless atm. They are just another sin class now, no skill, just auto attack.

    No doubt its a kick in the balls for our class (particularly for those who PvP I guess) but until they take away Heavens flames, aoe stuns, etc... from us, I wouldn't go that far.

    It does kind of make me want to re-roll a claw barb now though. b:sad
  • Hellraisor - Heavens Tear
    Hellraisor - Heavens Tear Posts: 311 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Ooooh no I cannot cancel my parasitic nova anymore, the only skill that can almost tick someones charm when sparked.

    Good thing i still got my hf, stunlocking skills and 5aps which hit about 1k normal hits on squishies without debuffs. Oooooh wait that's not me, that's a bm, how stupid of me.
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Hellraisor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ooooh no I cannot cancel my parasitic nova anymore, the only skill that can almost tick someones charm when sparked.

    Good thing i still got my hf, stunlocking skills and 5aps which hit about 1k normal hits on squishies without debuffs. Oooooh wait that's not me, that's a bm, how stupid of me.

    You try to stunlock somebody who knows very well how to prevent it. Stop talking from your butt and try something before craping it out of your mouth.
  • ZzzKyantezzz - Sanctuary
    ZzzKyantezzz - Sanctuary Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    all these-non bm players think they know about bms but they know nothing lol
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    They need to shut up, imagine if they nerfed a Cleric's Plume Shell to 5 seconds, took away a Psy's Souls, took away an Archer's anti-stun and reduced their damage, took away a veno's pet and Hood, the list goes on... the point is the BMs lost something that at least somewhat balanced PvP on their end. Without CCing people with Expel can laught in their face, kite away, then roll them (if they're arcane at least). Even if a BM manages to get in range now against a well geared opponent we just won't have enough DD power to take them down unsparked. Turning BMs into another Spark>Faceroll class is a horrible idea, especially since we lack the ability to gain chi like sins. They fail their spark? So what, three seconds later and full chi. We fail? We're ****ed in the *** with a pinecone.
  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Wow, no CC for BMs anymore? We can practically count on our fingers how many exploits have been fixed...

    And of all of them, why this one?

    I try not to QQ but I'm actually a little pissed about this, why not fix stealth while you guys are at it seeing as how it basically acts like a huge exploit that is somehow legal.

    Why not have fixed the glitch that allowed medals to be tradeable?

    Of all things why BM cc?

    Makes no senseb:surrender.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Hellraisor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ooooh no I cannot cancel my parasitic nova anymore, the only skill that can almost tick someones charm when sparked.

    Good thing i still got my hf, stunlocking skills and 5aps which hit about 1k normal hits on squishies without debuffs. Oooooh wait that's not me, that's a bm, how stupid of me.

    LMAO gtfo of here.

    Oooooh no Mystic class with pets!! Good thing my god **** bird still ticks for about 2k on squishies while I can debuff their phy def to almost nothing. I don't even have to be next to them to do the damage, I can just fly around in fox form while my bird do the work. Oooooh wait that's not me that's a Veno, how stupid of me.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Wow, no CC for BMs anymore? We can practically count on our fingers how many exploits have been fixed...

    And of all of them, why this one?

    I try not to QQ but I'm actually a little pissed about this, why not fix stealth while you guys are at it seeing as how it basically acts like a huge exploit that is somehow legal.

    Why not have fixed the glitch that allowed medals to be tradeable?

    Of all things why BM cc?

    Makes no senseb:surrender.

    ... Oh please. It's not just BMs. As far as I know, also sins got that stick. In fact, I'd presume they fixed the whole thing, which would also mean Barbs and Seekers. ANd possibly some that I am not aware of.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    So this is the first BM based thread where we're not flameing the hell out of each other. Ever.

    Solidarity comes at a heavy price, now can we get a GM response to this latest anal fisting of the our class? (yes i will always consider myself a bm on this forum damit!)

    Sins, 1king, rubber banding, map lag, and the 1000+ other glitches in pwi, and you chose a glitch that is to the bm class what pulling is to venos.

    @ olbaze: yup, sins are totaly screwed now that they have to spend 2 sparks to power dash, and they totaly cant use a sparkless C thorn to lock through expel, and stealth has totaly been removed! No really GTFO your just talking out your *** now Mr "oh wait my class autos everything to death in one stun anyways, and makes near infinite sparks." And heaven forbid barbs have to cast BO in pvp, wait they already do because passing up that much spike damage at a range is just plain tarded.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ... Oh please. It's not just BMs. As far as I know, also sins got that stick. In fact, I'd presume they fixed the whole thing, which would also mean Barbs and Seekers. ANd possibly some that I am not aware of.

    Except Sin's still got enough DPS and disables to drop anything alive. I suspect the fix is actually due to Sins abusing dash, since BM's been CC-ing for ages and they left it alone.

    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So this is the first BM based thread where we're not flameing the hell out of each other. Ever.

    Solidarity comes at a heavy price, now can we get a GM response to this latest anal fisting of the our class? (yes i will always consider myself a bm on this forum damit!)

    Sins, 1king, rubber banding, map lag, and the 1000+ other glitches in pwi, and you chose a glitch that is to the bm class what pulling is to venos.

    Well they did fix the 1k glitch, and I really don't expect any responds from GM. They get a box shipped from China, it has what it has, they put in it the floppy drive, go back to their coffee.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    See the ambush dash issue could have been fixed w/o **** bm's over.

    Why do i say this? Demon sunder still autocrits. That means they went in and intentionaly altered some skills while leaveing others untouched. Also spark from stealth is FAR more painfull than ambush dash >.< and thats totaly untouched. Thus my rage.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Except you can x2 spark then CC dash while still in stealth...
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  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    It doesn't take long talking to someone to figure out how knowledgeable they are about something. Sorry to break it to you, but you just ain't the sharpest crayon in the box when it comes to sins if you know what I mean. b:bye

    Your not on lost city, so your a noob. Such is the genius resident on that server.
    Sin - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Now you're just making yourself and your class look bad by saying there are wizzys incapable of killing sins. yeah sins have a huge advantage over a wiz, doesn't mean it's not impossible like you're making it seem. a wiz that actually knows what they are doing and know the assassin class well and how they pvp can take out a sin. It's that simple. It's not impossible to kill a sin. and yeah iv'e died to a powerful and skillful wizzy before. but then again, who hasn't? I'm not butthurt or crying about it, it's just pvp. If you have common sense and knowledge of how sins react to your skills, then you should have a chance at killing them.

    But here you lose me. If you can't beat an equally geared wizard with a sin 19 out of 20 tries, you don't know the class.

    A "chance" at killing them? Sure. Even a snowball's chance is a chance, I suppose.
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