History doomed to repeat itself?
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Nobody is going to help with Valhalla/Catalyst until there are only 3 guilds on the map, it's just how this server works. People would much rather all join one single guild and eliminate all PvP/TW, than have fun TWs/PvP. The 10% of the server that didn't join that guild would still like to have fun, fair TWs while they can.
By the way, stacking on Zulu didn't do anything. It really didn't matter which 3 guilds would have stacked them, since every single person on the server with decent gear was in that guild.
I honestly don't know what I think about Catalyst vs. Valhalla. On one hand, Catalyst probably can get 50 people to TW. Valhalla can get like 180. But on the other hand, have you ever seen anyone in Valhalla that knows how to play this game? They're horrible. I just don't think anyone will be able to stop the Catalyst strategy of taking 15 +12 archers, sprint directly to the crystal and barrage. It worked for almost a year in Zulu, why would it stop working now?0 -
also, props for this thread, this is bound to hit 15+ pages and keep me occupied at work all week.0
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Fragil - Harshlands wrote: »You will be REALLY lucky if 3 wars are close , and EXTREMELY(!) lucky if those 3 end up being people like... hm... Let's say Catalyst, Mayhem... AfterLife?
You're right.
I only remember it happened once with Zulu, when they were attacked by Mayhem, Wodan and Crimson (all at the approx same time) - so they lost to Crimson at last.
I'm not taking about Zulu's last few weeks.
But stacked wars against Zulu MOST USUALLY worked in favor of Zulu (mid-sized factions' TWs were scattered across 3 TW days; I'm not implying that Zulu had influence on that in any case). But that's one of the reasons why stacked wars work only in theory.
Let's say: if AfterLife, Mayhem, Insanity, Kylin, Crimson and Catalyst all attack Valhalla for the next week - GMs (or whoever) will span the TWs across like 6 different time slots (2 PM, 8 PM wars & etc.) to allow Valhalla defending themselves successfully.0 -
Who cares anywayb:embarrass*Faildom*
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ChuckyNorris - Harshlands wrote: »IMO.
Curses is afraid that the "history might repeat" - but was not afraid of it while he was in Zulu - creating that history with his guildies.
They didn't hesitate to take the last territory owned by Kylin. I don't blame them (game, fun, winning & losing, all good).
Some people may see this differently, but zulu disbanding gave the map back to the server. Yes it was reset, but if zulu was still together it would have been even bigger and stronger by now. Im not saying this was a noble act soley to give the server back to everyone, but it was definitely part of it.
Also if you think Valhalla doesnt want the whole map you clearly have no idea how factions run. Even if the Valhalla core arent considering taking the whole map...they will be. If they just stop taking lands, their members are going to QQ so much...cuz lets face it...the people who are in Valhalla right now are there for the money.
Personally im not even sure if valhalla could defend 2 medium size guilds...say..crimson and ...idk mayhem? What if crimson mayhem and kylin all stacked valhalla...u know they are going to try to defend all 3...but i doubt they could. It doesnt have to be Catalyst with the advantage of the stack. I'd just love to see someone take initiative and stand up to them before they are rolling in 180m per week.
No one does anything on this server, which is why I think our guild is appropriately named. Everyone is waiting for us to start the chain reaction. Do we want the whole map? hell ya we do...but so does valhalla. And if we team up and maybe take down valhalla...oh no catalyst becomes the new super power.... so then what?!?!? You could...form new alliances against us? Cuz we wont be able to defend stack wars with 50 ppl, i guarantee that. Is this poor logic? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Also if you want more members in your guild, there are lots of ppl out there looking for a guild cuz they get pk'd by valhalla all day and want revenge. If ur actively tw'ing against them maybe you'll have more interest in your guild... just a thought.0 -
Oh, also...this comparing Zulu to Valhalla doesn't really correlate. You can't say stacked wars wont work against Valhalla cuz they didnt work against Zulu. If we make things relative to their time and consider skill, experience and cash shoppers...zulu was way stronger in respects to the server than valhalla is now. Valhalla is filled with the people who have been losing their lands for 2 years and is inexperienced in leadership and TW. They are only a threat by the number of well geared people...we wont even call them cash shoppers...they just have a lot of well geared people, CSing or not.0
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Curses, I agree with you for the most part of your post.
But don't forget that the members of those small guilds (that are currently occupying parts of the map, and are left alone for now) are mostly lower-level alts of their mains in either Valhalla, Kylin, Crimson & etc.
I bet there will be quite a few people here agreeing with me that lower-level factions' TWs are REALLY fun. PvPing and TWing when your not 1-shot is much more fun! Just check out Dralighte's TW vids; he's got like an alt in every small/mid sized faction and he's TW-ing his booty off, FRAPS-ing - having a blast every week!
Why the heck not !? Why spoil the fun not allowing your own alt to be in a faction (with no rocket-sky-high level/gear requirement) and yet be a part of TW, learn its class & etc ?0 -
this thread has to many big words and too much to read.
Hai Curses
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lol hi p20
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i kinda miss you guys (as in you iffy acrelar rome(sorta) oko neli). sht was funny even if alot of it was directed at me. didnt care though i always laughedb:shocked oh noes was walking and forgot to breath0
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It is ineresting how people seem to not want to really TW despite what they are saying. Many of the little/medium guilds claim they want too but "they need to get stronger first". Who cares. Experiance is invalueable but no one wants to get the experiance in the first place. It is not like the old days where people can camp you in the swamp and prevent you from leveling so where is the loss? Who cares if Cata or Valhalla is pissed at you for bidding on them. What are they going to do? Pk you at west when you go out to pk anyway.
And the cost to tw is not really that great. Bid a land you know no one is going to bid on, bid the minimun, and have your tw fun. Bang.
I was amazed in my old faction i was lvl 60 here when we lost a 40 vs 6 war and not one person knew what to do even though we had a bunch of 100x and 9x in the guild at the time. None had been in a tw. ****, by the time my first chars on LC and MY were 80 i had 100 tw's under my belt. What is everyone waiting for. Even when you get rolled in TW it can be a lot of fun. Where are the SG1's attacking Conquerer each week, even though it was 15 6x vs 80 9x. Is the game just this boring now?
As it is the server is already no diff the HT or Sanctuary cause everyone is busy PVEing to 100, then PVEing to get gear. Lets start all killing eachother please and get some rivalries going before even more people leave0 -
How is a crystal sprint fun for either side?
You can blame the cash shoppers for the PvE fest. You need to spend 10 hours a day in nirvana for a month just so you can be a 2-shot instead of a 1-shot.
And I'm not talking about anyone that spent under $1000.0 -
Valhalla will not be taking the map. I'm pretty sure I said that somewhere else, but there you go.
The basic thought process is that we will be able to follow the TW plan, which Longkinfe has correctly sussed out, and by the time it is done we will be having fun with 40v40s. Even if they still are not released yet, hopefully some one will attack us, and then we'll still have TW. You seem to forget that one can have TW without attacking.
Having spent well over a year in a guild that controlled the entire map and seeing the server wither and die as a result; I have no intention of allowing that to happen again. Valhalla intends to prevent a 2 or 3 or even 5 color map scenario. Personally, I would like to see Harshlands have the most colorful map, a veritable rainbow explosion, like Skittles - on steroids, that sort of thing.
In this way new players can learn the ropes without the pressure of 5 min TWs and guilds of all skill levels have a chance to have fun week after week without feeling the pressure to abandon the small, lower-geared, family friendly atmosphere that keeps them fun and supports the majority of the server's players.
Anyways, I don't usually read the forums, but a guild member pointed me to this thread and did not want my views or Valhalla's goals to be misrepresented by others. Thanks for taking the time to read my rambling.0 -
GhostDuck - Harshlands wrote: »Where are the SG1's attacking Conquerer each week
SG10WNS FTW!Bludd - Harshlands wrote: »Valhalla will not be taking the map. I'm pretty sure I said that somewhere else, but there you go.
The basic thought process is that we will be able to follow the TW plan, which Longkinfe has correctly sussed out, and by the time it is done we will be having fun with 40v40s. Even if they still are not released yet, hopefully some one will attack us, and then we'll still have TW. You seem to forget that one can have TW without attacking.
Having spent well over a year in a guild that controlled the entire map and seeing the server wither and die as a result; I have no intention of allowing that to happen again. Valhalla intends to prevent a 2 or 3 or even 5 color map scenario. Personally, I would like to see Harshlands have the most colorful map, a veritable rainbow explosion, like Skittles - on steroids, that sort of thing.
In this way new players can learn the ropes without the pressure of 5 min TWs and guilds of all skill levels have a chance to have fun week after week without feeling the pressure to abandon the small, lower-geared, family friendly atmosphere that keeps them fun and supports the majority of the server's players.
Anyways, I don't usually read the forums, but a guild member pointed me to this thread and did not want my views or Valhalla's goals to be misrepresented by others. Thanks for taking the time to read my rambling.
Bludd, if that is your true aim, I recommend you try and work a bit harder on your guild's PR. A guild's image of itself is always expected to differ from their public image, but the difference for Valhalla is a lot more than just "a bit". Putting philosophical words out there doesn't help when you lack credibility. A good first step would be to start enforcing some discipline among your newer members and proactively promote your guild with the image you wish it to have, rather than passively expect others to believe in the image that you portray in your mind.
Welcome to politics ; )
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Don't you remember TeamLlama attacking Zulu every week (until they sadly disband)? b:victory
That was even part of their WC advertisement ("... FB/BH/TT/FC/weekly TWs against Zulu ...") b:laugh0 -
The Perfect World will end come 2012 anyways....
....oh not a new expansion, there are just so many much better games coming out b:chuckle
See you all in your new guild, hopefully we can have some wars b:mischievous[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
ChuckyNorris - Harshlands wrote: »Don't you remember TeamLlama attacking Zulu every week (until they sadly disband)? b:victory
That was even part of their WC advertisement ("... FB/BH/TT/FC/weekly TWs against Zulu ...") b:laugh
What? Are you hit on the head? TeamLlama stacked with Zulu against Kylin every week (until they sadly disband). A lot of the top geared Llamas event went to Zulu (UltimateNin, Warren-something) that I joked about Llama being the training camp for Zulu.0 -
Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »What? Are you hit on the head? TeamLlama stacked with Zulu against Kylin every week (until they sadly disband). A lot of the top geared Llamas event went to Zulu (UltimateNin, Warren-something) that I joked about Llama being the training camp for Zulu.
It was before they went RPK. If you got Kylin's core access - look for MrLlama's app in the forum archive.
But - if I'm hit in the head - then you could remember better. If it was not TeamLlama - then it was some other, even smaller guild, like the "Elders" ...
I can't remember, but I do remember they kept trying for weeks.0 -
Btw: every faction was a training camp for Zulu, including Kylin.0
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Player_two - Harshlands wrote: »i kinda miss you guys (as in you iffy acrelar rome(sorta) oko neli). sht was funny even if alot of it was directed at me. didnt care though i always laughed
You miss them, but you don't miss me.
Wow p2... After all those times I attempted to afk pk you....
I'm hurt b:cry[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
In any case, just about EVERY top guild has "promised" not to take the entire map. What I like about Harshlands is that at least a lot of people TRY to keep the server competitive. And they do it without taking the game too seriously.
The people in Valhalla...they're a new generation of people. All they really know is the cash shop and hyper exp, and they have a COMPLETELY different mindset about the game. I wonder if they have any perspective on the amount of money they spend on a game? Dropping $1000 on something is not really a lot of money if you have a job. But it IS a lot if you spend it in 4 days, on a tiny game played by about 10000 (? just a guess) people.
If Valhalla takes the entire map and leaves island of broken dreams as breadcrumbs to appease the crowd, is that really keeping the "spirit of competition"? Valhalla you have the LARGE majority of all the cash shopper's on the server. If you REALLY wanted competition then why are you consolidating so much power into a single faction? Do you really need to completely overpower everything in sight?
Take UrDian for example. He didn't just get "competitive" gears. He spent close to a billion dollars on a freakin +0 necklace, just so he could get 2 grades higher on refines. Is that really keeping the spirit of competition? No, that's just blindly putting as much money as you can into the game so you can /faceroll the keyboard and win. Don't even try to tell me that you +12'ed everything because you wanted to be competitive.
That's all I have to say about this for the time being. I'll be back though don't worry
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I replied to the 7th topic on the 1st page of mystic forums, and got reported for necro. Plz save mystic forums.0 -
Funny you make this post when Valhalla gets next to Catalyst on the map.
U ScuRrRed?
Its ok Curses, the only people who know how to TW are your butt buddies, we all know that.0 -
Taarloor - Harshlands wrote: »Funny you make this post when Valhalla gets next to Catalyst on the map.
U ScuRrRed?
Its ok Curses, the only people who know how to TW are your butt buddies, we all know that.
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Taarloor - Harshlands wrote: »Funny you make this post when Valhalla gets next to Catalyst on the map.
U ScuRrRed?
This post by the guy that turned tail and abandoned his faction when it became apparent that it was too fail to stay on the map. b:chuckle
Will you do the same if the tides turn against Val?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I Subtraction.
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Bludd - Harshlands wrote: »Valhalla will not be taking the map. I'm pretty sure I said that somewhere else, but there you go.
The basic thought process is that we will be able to follow the TW plan, which Longkinfe has correctly sussed out, and by the time it is done we will be having fun with 40v40s. Even if they still are not released yet, hopefully some one will attack us, and then we'll still have TW. You seem to forget that one can have TW without attacking.
Having spent well over a year in a guild that controlled the entire map and seeing the server wither and die as a result; I have no intention of allowing that to happen again. Valhalla intends to prevent a 2 or 3 or even 5 color map scenario. Personally, I would like to see Harshlands have the most colorful map, a veritable rainbow explosion, like Skittles - on steroids, that sort of thing.
In this way new players can learn the ropes without the pressure of 5 min TWs and guilds of all skill levels have a chance to have fun week after week without feeling the pressure to abandon the small, lower-geared, family friendly atmosphere that keeps them fun and supports the majority of the server's players.
Anyways, I don't usually read the forums, but a guild member pointed me to this thread and did not want my views or Valhalla's goals to be misrepresented by others. Thanks for taking the time to read my rambling.
Well that is pretty noble. But the way I see it...guilds like valhalla don't even out the server. All the heavy cash shoppers who would be a good match for each other dont wanna fight between them, so they join the same guild. Even your class with your gear and refines is whats wrong with the server in my opinion. You don't play a +12 sin if u want equality and balance on the server. Also bringing double or triple as many people to world pvp when you already out gear your opponent still doesn't seem like someone seeking a good fight. I've watched this happen vs my own guild and when I was just sitting back watching Vallhalla fight people like crimson, or insanity. Im not a hater, im just someone who first looks at the actions of a person, then looks at their words.
@ Taarloor: I have nothing to personally gain or lose from the upcoming TW's, so no, Im not scared. But thank you for your articulate contribution to this discussion. We "accomplished" or "proved" what we wanted to in Zulu. My gear is done, I do not need tw funds or tw recognition. The people who think I'm a good TW'er will continue to think that. The people who don't wont change their mind. The only point of this thread refers back to a post I made months ago - basically stating that the server wont change even if Zulu disbands. There will be a new super power and everyone else will be too afraid to do anything about it. But I'd love to be proven wrong. People only cry for equality, fairness and balance on the server when they aren't in the super power guild. I see a lot of the "complainers" in valhalla now, silent as a mouse in regards to the current status of the server.
The reason to make this thread when Valhalla is knocking on our door step is because...wait for it...we can not attack them until they are actually aaaatttttt our door step. Derp. Conveniently at this point, there are now several other guilds that have the option of attacking valhalla as well. We are going to fight valhalla with or without help. Our group of people have won wars 50 v 80 in the past. The first war looks like Valhalla will have 6 catas, so if they can't win that war, I think we need to start a new thread.
I know you haven't really had any impact on the TW map before and you're excited to be in Valhalla with your newly CS'd gears. But just take a breath, calm down, let the grown ups talk. If you're claiming that you know how to TW, i'll just end this part of the discussion saying 40 vs 7.
@Burnout: I couldn't have said any of that better.0 -
"... you and me baby we're nothing but mammals ... " b:chuckle
It's a natural behavior. Alpha males fighting each other for the preference to be the first to eat, first to mate & etc. Their aggressive tactics and competitiveness often leads to resentment by others, but that's how it is.
Either you pwn or get pwned; or you take the front seat and enjoy the freak show (hiring a blue name char). b:laugh
No hard feelings. Love ya all ! b:heart
Curses, make more TW vids. b:beg0 -
this is funny stuff but also good point....
if Valhalla want map look like skittles ....you prolly want to divide it ....like make a cross and leave the 4 corners land to next 4 powerful guilds.....you might also "grant" access passage if lets say guild nr 2 and guild nr 3 wanna do some fights....
also..if u want tw weekly you can ask for it but in exchange assure is no retribution....
i am very confident you will get a good share of wars from powerful guild to satisfy the bloodlust...you will even lose once in a while a land..but can get it back next week.... next in lines guilds wont bid on valhala as much they afraid to wake up "the monster" and be next one to lose the lands
but is hard for me to believe that any guild will stop get land at some point and say "is enough" and we want others to have fun... ppl are greedy that's commune sense
and the game system time frame of tw is pure cr4p...took months to set up a good stack on zulu...also remember the fake bids that made purely impossible to get a 2 guild stackb:surrender0 -
Nyxyo - Harshlands wrote: »... ppl are greedy that's commune sense
You know what they say...common sense isn't all that commune.
also LoL @ fake bids0 -
@ Curses : For someone who doesnt care at all u certainly care alot.
@Eoira: I left Evoke because the map barely has room for 4 strong guilds let alone 8. And how dare you paint me as a quitter, I've lead guilds since level 40 only breaking for Kylin lvl 85-97 (which didnt take long), ive spent 90% of my time in PW running factions and life simply doesnt allow me the time to do so anymore. How dare you.0 -
Taarloor - Harshlands wrote: »@ Curses : For someone who doesnt care at all u certainly care alot.
@Eoira: I left Evoke because the map barely has room for 4 strong guilds let alone 8. And how dare you paint me as a quitter, I've lead guilds since level 40 only breaking for Kylin lvl 85-97 (which didnt take long), ive spent 90% of my time in PW running factions and life simply doesnt allow me the time to do so anymore. How dare you.
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