Faction Bases: Tell me this is a joke...wth

sig1043a wrote: »

More specifically, can a faction decline to be part of base wars? If not, please provide information on how much damage can be done during base wars and how many supplies are lost in a defeat.

This has been answered many times now: you CANNOT decline a base war. Sango specifically said that that part of the wiki was edited in by someone who mistook a decline of declaration of KOS for a decline of a base war. You can be attacked and most likely will if you have a base.

That being said, your base will not die after one ****ing war, people. Stop assuming the worst. Also, PVP is end-game. Guild base is end-game. It's not meant to just be a place to hang out in. This is fact.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

This has been answered many times now: you CANNOT decline a base war. Sango specifically said that that part of the wiki was edited in by someone who mistook a decline of declaration of KOS for a decline of a base war. You can be attacked and most likely will if you have a base.

That being said, your base will not die after one ****ing war, people. Stop assuming the worst. Also, PVP is end-game. Guild base is end-game. It's not meant to just be a place to hang out in. This is fact.

So you heard this from a GM or dev? No? Just a player-edited wiki page? Yeah, thought so. Next time try to be moar relevant.

OK, I think that everyone needs to realize that there are many different views on PvP vs PvE and stop bashing one another for being on opposite sides of the fence. You like PvP? Then play on a PvP server. You like PvE? Then play on a PvE server. Enough said.

However, there is nothing wrong with PWI addressing both sides of the coin and giving both sides what they want now is there? It would be a win win for the game developers and the gamers to do so.

Here is an interesting twist to this arguement. Valley of Reciprocity is based on the lvl of the player entering the instance, what if the factions had a more advanced lvl system as well? Lvl 3 only signifies that the faction was able to raise enough coin to become lvl 3. It dictates the number of players the faction can have and thats all. What if we had some other markers placed on the factions as well? Maybe our faction lvls need to be revamped in order to give a more accurate view of the factions themselves. Just like in boxing, you have light weights and heavy weights, you can't expect them to compete against one another, why do we expect them to do so in PWI?

The number of players within a certain range lvl could make guild based wars a much more interesting experience and would certainly provide some interesting scenarios as a faction grows. Why not have factions of players consisting mainly of lvl 50 and under players, lvl 50 to 75, 76 to 94, or Lvl 95 & up be considered different faction lvls? Why does it have to be all or nothing?

It is difficult and frustrating to get players to stay in a faction as it tries to lvl their people up only to lose them to experienced and established TW factions. Maybe if they had something to offer them as they continued to grow, they could make a faction that is worthy of competing in TW themselves. Guild bases are an excellent opportunity to put some real excitement into this game.

Those of us who read the updates were prepared to fight 40 vs 40 fights, we just want reassurance that we aren't going to be beaten and mugged and left with nothing, I think that it is only fair that our concerns are addressed. It would just be lots more fun if we knew we could fight against other factions with similar player lvls as our own, not going into a fight that we have no chance to win right from the beginning.

I am still upset my lvl 28 sin cannot gain entry to Nirvana. Game content should be open to everyone, not just those elite lvl 100+.

I cannot believe how unfair this is. I mean sure, Nirvana is for endgame players and I would have nothing to do in there, but I want a fun place to hang out with my friends.

I don't see why I can't have everything I want. It's almost as though I have to work for it...



b:chuckle


On a serious note - any PWE employee have any solid info on guild bases? Regardless of which "side" the players are on, it's a pretty fair request to get some info.

Puppetmaster - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Lulz b:chuckle

SeaCrit_Sin - Harshlands wrote: »

I am still upset my lvl 28 sin cannot gain entry to Nirvana. Game content should be open to everyone, not just those elite lvl 100+.

I cannot believe how unfair this is. I mean sure, Nirvana is for endgame players and I would have nothing to do in there, but I want a fun place to hang out with my friends.

I don't see why I can't have everything I want. It's almost as though I have to work for it...



b:chuckle


On a serious note - any PWE employee have any solid info on guild bases? Regardless of which "side" the players are on, it's a pretty fair request to get some info.

Just to point out to you that although your comment is very amusing and holds true in lots of scenarios, it doesn't pertain to this thread. The only stipulations for a guild base pertained to a) enough coin to attatin a lvl 3 faction and b) enough coin/mats to attain the guild base itself. There were never any stipulations on character lvls for guild bases. So the arguement of it being "end game content" is a huge stretch for anyone to assume.

Riverwalker - Sanctuary wrote: »

OK, I think that everyone needs to realize that there are many different views on PvP vs PvE and stop bashing one another for being on opposite sides of the fence. You like PvP? Then play on a PvP server. You like PvE? Then play on a PvE server. Enough said.

However, there is nothing wrong with PWI addressing both sides of the coin and giving both sides what they want now is there? It would be a win win for the game developers and the gamers to do so.

Here is an interesting twist to this arguement. Valley of Reciprocity is based on the lvl of the player entering the instance, what if the factions had a more advanced lvl system as well? Lvl 3 only signifies that the faction was able to raise enough coin to become lvl 3. It dictates the number of players the faction can have and thats all. What if we had some other markers placed on the factions as well? Maybe our faction lvls need to be revamped in order to give a more accurate view of the factions themselves. Just like in boxing, you have light weights and heavy weights, you can't expect them to compete against one another, why do we expect them to do so in PWI?

The number of players within a certain range lvl could make guild based wars a much more interesting experience and would certainly provide some interesting scenarios as a faction grows. Why not have factions of players consisting mainly of lvl 50 and under players, lvl 50 to 75, 76 to 94, or Lvl 95 & up be considered different faction lvls? Why does it have to be all or nothing?

It is difficult and frustrating to get players to stay in a faction as it tries to lvl their people up only to lose them to experienced and established TW factions. Maybe if they had something to offer them as they continued to grow, they could make a faction that is worthy of competing in TW themselves. Guild bases are an excellent opportunity to put some real excitement into this game.

Those of us who read the updates were prepared to fight 40 vs 40 fights, we just want reassurance that we aren't going to be beaten and mugged and left with nothing, I think that it is only fair that our concerns are addressed. It would just be lots more fun if we knew we could fight against other factions with similar player lvls as our own, not going into a fight that we have no chance to win right from the beginning.

+1

I would have to say that I agree with all of this minus what is highlighted in red...

I am a marshal of DarkOath on Sanctuary (probably never heard of us cause we are non-TW and non-combative in general), but save the Director, Leader, me, and a few others everyone is lower levels. So because I am 101, we should only fight Nef or LG or Regicide? O.o

This is a great thought of how to solve the problem, but you can't lump everyone in a faction into a 25 lvl range. Also, you might argue that you could just average all of the guild mates' levels together but then ppl will just add lvl 1 alts to their faction, more QQing, etc.

Side Note: maybe only have ppl of certain levels participate in Base Wars. Example: I am 101, but only levels 50-75 from our faction participate in wars against people from other factions levels 50-75 (I being one of those outside the range and therefore unable to enter the war). I think the idea of declaring the level range that will participate in your base wars, therefore restricting who can actually attack you, I think, would be a great idea!

Sounds like one of the fairest ideas so far: keeps PVP for everyone who wants it and keeps smaller guilds like ours from gettin steamrolled.

Discuss... b:pleased

Still no official response to this threat, NO a mod is not official enough for me. Granted atleast HE is trying. (A word from a GM stating he/she is buzy getting the info would be a start.......)

Some small line from a GM however would be far more crediable as a GM stands for "GameMaster" meaning to me (odd I know) this person knows the in's and out's of this game.
But maybe my defination of what a GM "is" is a bit off.

Seems to me a GM stands for "manager" and boy do managers at times lack knowledge (try IT-team managers.. ugh)

So what gives GM's?
What IS the info? Hmmmm

God, I should start learning Chinese as I would most likely get an answer from a real GM...
With real I mean you know a GM who is responsible with the dealing of the real PW as hosted on the official PW-servers in China.

If not that then atleast the chinese forum might have far better/bigger deal of information available about this "expansion".

Oooh well...
What do I know.

@Atreyuthus
The idea is sound enough. I would be for it even if I don't PvP at all.
Seems fair enough.

Still declining is a needed option. As some one mentioned the time restriction of it being at a certain time only makes the guild base war void simple as it does not canvas the population of PWI at any given time.

If the guild base is to be PVP oriented I would make a guild base only possible if a guild owns land in TW as a requirement. People willing to TW are far more wiling to defend a guild base too.

Atreyuthus, grats on a sucessful faction and yes, I have seen your players around. I am Director of Emperials on Sanctuary. Our faction is generally lvl 50 and up, with a heavy emphasis on lvl 70 and above. Having just 3 - 5 lvl 100 + players would automatically drop your faction in a lower category as the faction level would be based on the pre-dominant levels if used the way I discussed. If your faction consisted of mainly lvl 40 - 60, then it would be based on that. As those players lvl'd up, eventually you would jump to the next faction level.
However, yes, it could potentially cause a problem and one that could be exploited if a faction were to use alts and such loaded into the faction to change their faction lvl. The only way I can address that is that if their faction is mainly lvl 20 alts, then they will face off against another faction of mainly lvl 20 players as well. Maybe not so satisfying to do, but if thats what they choose... oh well, it would still balance out. I do like the idea of then restricting it to a lvl range though and excluding those that are too low or too high. I'm sure there would be a fair way to implement the lvl ranges.

If it is level-based AND setup certain amount of said level available one could make "wars" on level.

In other words. when a guild is heavy on L30-35 one could opt to partake in war where an absolute number of L30-35 ranged members is squared of to opposing guild equal in level.
(lets call this the guild base war basic)

Per level range you get level ranged binding gears from a successfull attack or defense.
The gear itself is usable for 35-40 character at max.

Next would be 40-45 ranged again following the same rules.
This time the gear dropped is 50-53 ranged
(call it Guild base war basic +)

well you get the idea..

If a guild is working for higher rewards helping between lower levels and higher-ups within the guild would solidify a guild in and of itself.

Begining members can partake. Higher-ups could jump on lower level alt and still have fun helping the new ones with their first steps into a PvP system that might make some sence.

Riverwalker - Sanctuary wrote: »

No, you cannot use an "average lvl" it would have to be based on actual character lvls enrolled in the faction. Any faction is capable of having lvls 1 thru lvl cap in it. It would actually have to be based on the PREDOMINANT lvl range in the faction. If the predominant range of characters is lvl 50 - 70, then the faction lvl would be based on that. No averages, actual numbers.

Define predominant. In an actual way that can be implemented in code, rather than a nebulous "a lot of our members are in the 50-70 range, so that's what we consider ourselves".

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

They shouldn't do it by average level, because disparity in characters' effectiveness is much more reliant on gear. It should be average refines. Just as Soulforce is a measure of a Psy's overall refines, surely a similar measurement can extend to other classes as well.

Again, nice in theory, but not practical. Define average refines in a "code-implementable" way. Do you sample once a day? once an hour? every 5 minutes? time-weighted average? faction-members on-line at the time you bid on another faction versus online members of the opposing faction?

What's my "refine level" if I spend 18-20 hours naked in west arch, and only put on my +10 gear when I'm actively playing.

The devil is in the details, and most any system can be gamed. If you expect the PW devs to come up with a "fool-proof" system, well... you have MUCH higher hopes than I do for the coffee-intern they'd probably assign to coding this.

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Again, nice in theory, but not practical. Define average refines in a "code-implementable" way. Do you sample once a day? once an hour? every 5 minutes? time-weighted average? faction-members on-line at the time you bid on another faction versus online members of the opposing faction?

What's my "refine level" if I spend 18-20 hours naked in west arch, and only put on my +10 gear when I'm actively playing.

The devil is in the details, and most any system can be gamed. If you expect the PW devs to come up with a "fool-proof" system, well... you have MUCH higher hopes than I do for the coffee-intern they'd probably assign to coding this.

It would be the average of everyone in the faction. They can update average refine at a random time every week. If your whole faction want to take off all gear just to ***** out of a fight, then your base can stay stagnant from lack of contribs.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

It would be the average of everyone in the faction. They can update average refine at a random time every week. If your whole faction want to take off all gear just to ***** out of a fight, then your base can stay stagnant from lack of contribs.

More the medium (or high) level faction that games the system to allow them to attack a lower-level faction.

If it CAN be gamed, it WILL be gamed.

Riverwalker - Sanctuary wrote: »

Since you seem to have some idea how this works, why don't you come up with an idea on how it COULD work rather than all the reasons it can't? I'm sure there is a way that could be implemented with a little effort.

My point is that there really ISN'T a way that it "could be implemented with a little effort" that isn't exploitable.

Besides, not my job to propose ideas. I'm not the one advocating change. I'm simply pointing out why the proposed ideas won't work as intended.