Faction Bases: Tell me this is a joke...wth

Faeble - Heavens Tear
Faeble - Heavens Tear Posts: 183 Arc User
edited June 2011 in General Discussion
http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Faction_Bases


Says on there that faction bases can attack other bases. We are a faction who wants NOTHING to do with TW and to have a base as an area to be and construct a bit with materials from quests to use and just a nice area for fac mates to go to to hand out/trade/give items to fac bank. I am not going to pay 400m+ to have my base destoryed because Enrage wants to pick on the helpful friendly faction vs pure TW based. -_- Tell me this is a joke. Or fix it? Seriously. I was excited for bases. Was going to figure out a good way to do the 400m (through cash shopping really) but if it is the case that my base can be destroyed by others, I'm keeping my money.

Can someone please clarify this for me and exactly what happens.

Also, Fac health: exactly how fast does it decrease vs increase. I mean I get if EVERYONE goes inactive to kill the base. But what about people over summer break leaving or winter. lots of people get on or off during certain times of the year for different reasons.


Re-reading everything: I am wondering if Fac Health is SEPARATE from war. Because I can deal with losing materials. However, if losing materials takes down health then base dies. If it doesn't then fac base lives. From the way it sounds is that fac wars can kill your entire base. I would really like if a GM/Mod/Person who knows to verify what actually happens.

The site on here is useless, PWI gave us NO info on it really. And the P.WIKI is what said that but it first says health is measured by activeness. Then later groups health with the war. That's why I'm up in the air about what is going on.
4.　Decommission
Faction Base structures can be destroyed in faction base battles. If the Health of your faction base reaches zero, it will be decommissioned.

That is what leads me to believe that fac base gets destroyed in war.

If it doesn't, then I apologize for the drama but common. Don't give us a new toy and leave the blindfold on when you give it to us. Give us facts about it so we can see what we are really putting our $400 into.

EDIT OF POST FOR FUTURE READERS:

I have talked to a few friends who have bases

Result: Yes fac base does lose health due to fac wars HOWEVER it isn't a one shot kill, your base is dead deal. As long as your fac is active and contributes you can make back the lost health + more. So conclusion is if you have an active faction you shouldn't have to worry about it and if you don't have an active faction, well, you don't really need a fac base imo if you don't have an active faction to begin with.
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  • Atreyuthus - Sanctuary
    Atreyuthus - Sanctuary Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Ok, seriously...

    Our faction is non-TW and we have a lot of low lvl ppl that we help. We wouldn't even stand a chance against semi-high lvl factions that challenge territory holders and get obliterated in 10 min

    This is some f*cked up sh*t. Like OP said, I'm not wastin what we have saved on this bullsh*t. Can someone verify or deny this?!?

    b:angryb:surrenderb:cry
  • daslayer89
    daslayer89 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    if ur talking about teh mini 40vs40 faction wars im pretty sure u can decline them.
  • Shoyahz - Heavens Tear
    Shoyahz - Heavens Tear Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    The wikia says you're unable to decline or deny the 40vs40 faction war. I don't know how reliable that is though, since it also doesn't give any specifics on the exact mats to acquire one either.
  • Fuzznutts - Sanctuary
    Fuzznutts - Sanctuary Posts: 85 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    daslayer89 wrote: »
    if ur talking about teh mini 40vs40 faction wars im pretty sure u can decline them.

    Nope once someone declares a battle against you, there's no declining it for the defending guild.
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  • daslayer89
    daslayer89 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    well if they are gonna make it like that instead of able to be declined like in JD thats just down right lame >.>


    eww i guess i shoulda looked at the wiki. the idea sounded cool when i thought it was gonna be like JD wars but these wars sound absolutely lame
  • Promivius - Dreamweaver
    Promivius - Dreamweaver Posts: 278 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    My clan is called Medic_Inc and I run a striclky non-pvp/non-pk clan (hence the faction name).

    Guess working to get a L3 faction and making a base is completly a wast of time and effort.
    Ooh well, guess we are not China.... gosh!?!?
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  • Atreyuthus - Sanctuary
    Atreyuthus - Sanctuary Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    On the upside, we now have a **** ton of money and mats to use now since we aren't going to waste our money and resources on a base that'll practically be destroyed instantly.

    Stupid faction bases are stupid!

    Required PVP to have a base on PVE servers... utter failure PWI

    b:angry
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Wasn't there some mention of an alliance system? Try to ally with one (or more) stronger factions to defend your base.
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  • Healforwimps - Heavens Tear
    Healforwimps - Heavens Tear Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    It's business,pw hopes that players will keep charging zhen to rebuild faction base obliteration after obliteration,if you read the forums beforehand you should already have known it was going to be like this.

    Oh but get ready for the counter argument,if you can't defend your base you don't deserve any perks from the expansion.
  • Renza - Raging Tide
    Renza - Raging Tide Posts: 1,939 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    wow, wasnt expecting to hear that, so basicly if the guild isnt the best on the server, then no faction base for them if they feel like randomly taking it out for the lols, nice way to encourage smaller guilds to get together, now its join the band wagon, or gtfo.
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  • Faeble - Heavens Tear
    Faeble - Heavens Tear Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I really wanted a fac base. Hell. The game would have made $400 off just us and Im sure a lot others. But of course they gear it toward Enrage and 90+ factions (HT anyway) Yeah, we have low levels in ours. We'd be wiped out in a heart beat. This is really low for PWI. I hope a GM / Mod can suggest changing it, our requests in "suggestions" forums goes about as far as a dead dog can walk. (bad example, but whatever)

    I can understand if they made it so we can decline. Then I'd do it and just decline war. However, if we are FORCED to do it, pointless. Thanks for getting all the high levels out of the helpful factions to join TW 90+ ones just for the gear/quests/add ons. Really? I thought the game was about helping each other and working with people, not just about end game TW. PWI really screwed up there.

    EDIT: (started typing before Rens post) But yeah she basically said it "join the band wagon or gtfo"

    EDIT2: Lol guys.. I didnt spend the 400 before I did my research about bases. That 400+ is staying in my pocket.

    Note*: I use Enrage as an example as people who'd wipe us out because I know they camp room 11 just waiting for us. No, we ALL (the enrage group) didn't just happen to land in room 11 at the same exact time 3 times in a row. It was camped. So, if they're that bored they have to wait and PK in there. You bet they will go after baby factions for the mere fact that they can. They know they will win.
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  • buttercupcruella
    buttercupcruella Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    This is NOT a joke. I raised simmilar questions BEFORE the expansion and most of the people kept telling me it will be fine. They could not really convince me and show me valid arguments as to how a small faction can survive an attack of a big TW faction. Their explanation was:

    FORM ALLIES

    Yea, I was sceptical about the bases and unless something is done about it, I will remain negative.
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  • Atreyuthus - Sanctuary
    Atreyuthus - Sanctuary Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Healforwimps - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It's business,pw hopes that players will keep charging zhen to rebuild faction base obliteration after obliteration,if you read the forums beforehand you should already have known it was going to be like this.

    Oh but get ready for the counter argument,if you can't defend your base you don't deserve any perks from the expansion.

    I've been reading the forums for weeks leading up to the expansion and I never saw a mention of REQUIRED battles when attacked by another faction.

    This is ****, why do you have to do PVP to get Runecrafting? (PVP >> Keep Guild Base >> Raise Runecrafting Level)

    I don't ever remember having to kill someone for BS lvl 8 O.o
  • Healforwimps - Heavens Tear
    Healforwimps - Heavens Tear Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Atreyuthus - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I've been reading the forums for weeks leading up to the expansion and I never saw a mention of REQUIRED battles when attacked by another faction.

    This is ****, why do you have to do PVP to get Runecrafting? (PVP >> Keep Guild Base >> Raise Runecrafting Level)

    I don't ever remember having to kill someone for BS lvl 8 O.o

    Well i saw quite a few posts saying you could be attacked anytime and have materials stolen from you if you couldn't defend it,someone else might link to some of them but i just cba lol

    Whole expansion has just left me depressed.
  • Atreyuthus - Sanctuary
    Atreyuthus - Sanctuary Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Healforwimps - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well i saw quite a few posts saying you could be attacked anytime and have materials stolen from you if you couldn't defend it,someone else might link to some of them but i just cba lol

    Whole expansion has just left me depressed.

    You're probably right about their being posts concerning this but it's still BS we have to PVP for manufacturing skills and basically requiring PVE servers to PVP to keep guild bases.

    Edit: I don't have a problem with PVP in general (I never go into PK so I could care less), but some of us have been building our characters based solely on PVE (not a fan of TW).

    So why do we now have to start PVP'ing just to have a place we can chill together as a guild?
  • Faeble - Heavens Tear
    Faeble - Heavens Tear Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Form Allies :: Enrage, Radiance, Drakon wants to be my ally? Doubtful. We cant defend them if ***** hits the fan for them, so what good are we to them? A third wheel to drag around is what.

    Allies is from Rad, Dom, and Drakon to gang up on Enrage. not for us who want to stay totally out of TW. Besides, I doubt any fac can get EVERYONE to be their ally. Eventually, they will be attacked and they will die.

    On A PVP server, I can get, but guys PVE?? PvE= Player vs Environment not Player vs Enrage or did the PWI devs forget what it meant?
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  • TheFire - Lost City
    TheFire - Lost City Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    oh and hey rember it cost 3 million to be allies with other factions so not ONLY are you going to put out the money to get your base....you got to put out the money to make the allinces with other guilds.each guild needs to put down 3 million for 29 days?????!!! wth???29 days and what you got to put out another 6 million in 29 days???pwi tell us this is not true and this is just a rumor!!!!! cuz you just lost alot of your players that love this game.
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  • buttercupcruella
    buttercupcruella Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Faeble - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Form Allies :: Enrage, Radiance, Drakon wants to be my ally? Doubtful. We cant defend them if ***** hits the fan for them, so what good are we to them? A third wheel to drag around is what.

    Allies is from Rad, Dom, and Drakon to gang up on Enrage. not for us who want to stay totally out of TW. Besides, I doubt any fac can get EVERYONE to be their ally. Eventually, they will be attacked and they will die.

    On A PVP server, I can get, but guys PVE?? PvE= Player vs Environment not Player vs Enrage or did the PWI devs forget what it meant?

    ^ This.
    I'm just shocked not many people caught onto this earlier. Guess they have to feel it to know it ain't soft...

    I'm assuming QQ is starting. I know many people won't spend their money knowing all this. There really is no point in spending this much money (yes, it's a lot of money for small and medium - sized factions) only to lose it and be robbed of the goods...
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  • buttercupcruella
    buttercupcruella Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    TheFire - Lost City wrote: »
    oh and hey rember it cost 3 million to be allies with other factions so not ONLY are you going to put out the money to get your base....you got to put out the money to make the allinces with other guilds.each guild needs to put down 3 million for 29 days?????!!! wth???29 days and what you got to put out another 6 million in 29 days???pwi tell us this is not true and this is just a rumor!!!!! cuz you just lost alot of your players that love this game.

    PWI alrdy lost a lot of players with packs and TW changes. Nothing new...b:surrender
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    why so scared of PVP?
    you know, if you die in a game, you stay alive in real life.
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  • Shryee - Lost City
    Shryee - Lost City Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    i WAS very excited about this new expansion, NOW however, i may just have to find a new game. logging on and fiding NO new pets for ur beloved venos was bad enough, finding i had no music was annoying, however... finding out that all the hard work and saving and such that our faction has done to get our faction base goin, only to find out WE CAN FREKIN LOOSE IT???!!! and have to basically START OVER???!!! because u know, the bigger guilds, will take out the smaller ones, fast and furious knowing, there r mats and such to be taken, and yes just to be jerks (putting it nice here) R U INSANE? i DO hope this info is COMPLETELY wrong, or my family as a whole WILL find a new game to put our cash into. OMG i JUST found out about the cash u need for allies??? REALLY MORE cash on TOP of THAT already put into our base??? EVERY MONTH!!! seriously oh GREAT(sarcasm here) Gods of gaMe- ty so much for showing the little pplz how much u TRULY care for us! a good game just died. or has it been dieing all along, and i only JUST noticed! MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY - can u say MONEY. GMs and DEVs - im talkin to U! ur love and devotion to the all mighty dollar is showing, and it is REALLY annoying to see how litttle u care for us as gamers. it makes me sad mad and fustrated! really reallly disapointed in the new expansion
  • Healforwimps - Heavens Tear
    Healforwimps - Heavens Tear Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    why so scared of PVP?
    you know, if you die in a game, you stay alive in real life.

    Why so scared of pvp?Afraid you couldn't lvl in peace?
  • Kehrendorh - Archosaur
    Kehrendorh - Archosaur Posts: 492 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    why so scared of PVP?
    you know, if you die in a game, you stay alive in real life.

    Some people just don't like it. Not a factor of being scared. Perhaps they dont like dealing with the QQ, rage and drama that comes with PvP?

    You have to admit, there is a serious lack of maturity in PvP. At least with PvE, the mobs dont rage on you like a 5 year old.
  • Faeble - Heavens Tear
    Faeble - Heavens Tear Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    TheFire - Lost City wrote: »
    oh and hey rember it cost 3 million to be allies with other factions so not ONLY are you going to put out the money to get your base....you got to put out the money to make the allinces with other guilds.each guild needs to put down 3 million for 29 days?????!!! wth???29 days and what you got to put out another 6 million in 29 days???pwi tell us this is not true and this is just a rumor!!!!! cuz you just lost alot of your players that love this game.


    Wow that is seriously low.

    Like, I don't mind that I have to amp out 200 dollars for my TT99 and good weapons and gear. Cause its mine once I do. But thats seriously lame. That would be like paying for marriage for only 30 days, then having to redo the marriage if you want to continue -_-"

    PWI seems to have hit an all time low here. Took a brilliant idea and managed to **** it up completely.

    and yeah " cuz you just lost alot of your players that love this game" I don't blame them. I am so frustrated with PWI right now that I nearly want to throw in the towel. But I have people who count on me and a faction to direct who I love dearly and will stay for.

    3m/mnth/ally ONTOP of the 400 is Bull. And ON TOP of mats needed for building up base after you get it. Enrage can afford it do to winning in TW, but people who have NEVER had a territory or been in TW get screwed.

    I can't believe how twisted it is and that PWI doesn't give a damn about helping people anymore. They just want the money.
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote:
    why so scared of PVP? you know, if you die in a game, you stay alive in real life.
    I've done PK before. I play on a PVP server too. I am not scared to die in game. Hell I like PVP, but not with 400+m on the line. My faction is for helping people, being friendly, being a home. Not a money maker. We stay with lower level people so that we can help them level when no one else will.
    Is that such a bad thing?
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  • Atreyuthus - Sanctuary
    Atreyuthus - Sanctuary Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    why so scared of PVP?
    you know, if you die in a game, you stay alive in real life.

    I'm not sweatin the dyin part, I die all the time in Steadfast Cube Rooms, but I didn't just spend 400m+ to get into that room just to be insta-killed and walk away with NOTHING. Plus, if I don't want to, I can tele back to the beginning and end up skipping these rooms altogether and I still finish Cube.

    How is required PVP fun on PVE servers?
  • fiercerage
    fiercerage Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I'm a PvP fanatic, but I can see where this isn't very nice to smaller guilds.

    Maybe give an option to completely abstain from all guild base wars or be full in, open to any attack. That way you can't pick and choose.
  • Faeble - Heavens Tear
    Faeble - Heavens Tear Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    fiercerage wrote: »
    I'm a PvP fanatic, but I can see where this isn't very nice to smaller guilds.

    Maybe give an option to completely abstain from all guild base wars or be full in, open to any attack. That way you can't pick and choose.



    If there was an option either
    1.Participate in war for mats (in order to attack, must be able to be attacked)
    2.Don't participate, cannot attack others in this mode.

    I would be PERFECTLY fine. Don't have to worry about my base going down or anything. We'd opt out of everything even if it means we sacrifice getting mats through TW.

    If the bases are like an instance, there shouldnt be a limit to how many there are therefore why does it MATTER to PWI if we want to not do TW and still have a base? They'd make more money that way. Now people who aren't in 90+ or rich as all get out aren't going to even get a base at all due to losing it.
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  • Ruxal - Harshlands
    Ruxal - Harshlands Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Lol smiley face. This has to be hands down one the most boring and unimaginative ex.....pansions ever. Earthguard intro aside (omg you couldnt even get the music right? wtf it was a delayed release for crying out loud) the biggest draw for Genesis was the Guild Bases and right from the start I said they were too expensive and did not reach out to and draw in the small factions.

    This is a clear indication that PWI is sooo hooked on what their heavy cash shoppers/have lots of free time players want that they completely do not realise that their more casual/less competitive players also wish to enjoy the expansion. So what we have is a great idea that excludes basically 80% of each server. Once again well done.

    PWI how about this? LISTEN to what your player base says because WE play the game everyday and so we KNOW what it is we WANT.

    1) Base too expensive
    2) Challenge system is unfair esp in light of the base cost

    ...................yes, once again that fell of deaf ears.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Are you deprived of your PWI experience because you can't/won't get a faction base? It's just an add-on for factions that want to fight, if you don't like it, don't get it. The rest of the game would still be the same no? Saying you will quit over it doesn't even make sense.

    @above

    Do you people really know what you want? How many QQ-pack threads were there when it came out? How many QQ-no-pack threads were made when we figured out there weren't going to be packs last week?

    The game is too hooked on competitive players are you serious? lolrank sale ****ed over competitive players. Now any no-name with a big wallet get gear that's better than what people farmed for months for. Getting one shot by nonames in R9 GG.
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  • WizardCraft - Harshlands
    WizardCraft - Harshlands Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Death to carebears la la la ( dances ) la la la . Kill them all trolololo kill them allll kill them lolll b:laugh
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