Someone help me figure out how this is logical.

SaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »

That's it's "job," to sit there 24/7 and buy shiit to resell. The person in the squad is getting rewarded 2x basically. He's making the same as the catshop + everyone in the squad, (incomes he farmed it he deserves it.) we'll never see eye to eye so let it die.

o.O after 12 pages still? pleeeees tell me u troling

SaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »

CatShop price is the absolute highest price they're going to get without having a buyer lined up or spending the same amount of time as that catshop who sits there afk all day long. Therefore, in my eyes, SOMEONE BUYING IT AT CATSHOP BUY PRICE IS GETTING A DISCOUNT OR PRIVILEDGE, and then on top of that, THEY'RE ALSO GETTING THE SAME AMOUNT OF COINS AS THE OTHER PLAYERS...

Are you one of those people who answer to mathematical word problems by making up "what if" situations? I bet teachers hate you in your elementary school amirite?

im very sorry for my unfriendly comments, actually i had my thinking and shes rite

im up for nv with u any time (Cheshire_Cat 5aps bm) , and i let u buy all the raps as apology for me being mean here, as long as u follow ur logic

SaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »

How did I state a hypothetical situation to a mathmatical problem?

Please explain.

You keep mentioning catshops that have no relevance whatsoever to how a loot split should go.

Let's assume Player A is the guy who bought the rap. Player A spent the same amount of time as the rest of squad, but spent more coins than the rest of the squad to buy the rap. Now Player A ends up with his share from the run (Uncannies + split from the rap), less coins (from buying the rap), and of course, the rap as an asset he BOUGHT. The rest of the squad doesn't have the rap but have no immediate loss of the coins. The squad dismantles and the problem ends here. No catshops anywhere in the image.

You, however, keep assuming Player A will sell the rap at a catshop AFTER the squad dismantles. Maybe he will, maybe he will not. BUT NONE OF THAT IS YOUR BUSINESS. The catshop is a variable that doesn't exist in this problem.

Word problem: If Johnny drives at 50km/h to Dan's house which is 100km away from Johnny's house, how long would it take for Johnny to get to Dan's house?

You: The road is slippery so Johnny has to drive slower at 20km/h.

THERE IS NO SLIPPERY ROAD.

b:angry ppl must stop take adventage of me, next one wanna buy raps from nv will pay 1.8mil and leave squad before split

Lets let this thread die, yes?


(trolls...)

Basically, if the squad agreed on the 1.5 mil price, then that's the deal. What happens an hour or a year later is irrelevant.

If the buyer manages to sell the Rapture for more than the agreed upon price later, well, good for him. Getting a higher sale price is not something that can be guaranteed, so the person attempting this is doing so at his own risk, in addition to spending his own time and effort on selling it.

If you think the split price isn't high enough, simply find some evidence for your squad of a higher buy price that they should be basing the split on. If you still don't think that's fair, then you're just basing numbers on your prediction of potential profits, because that's what sell prices are. However, you simply can't base your split price on potential profits without putting the banker at risk of loss, which is basically what you're getting upset/annoyed about.

If the person buying the Rapture fails to sell it for his buy price or more, then it is a net loss for them. It's fail logic to assume that the buyer will always be able to sell it at a profit when you're only dealing with potential profits.

SaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »

Just for the record, exploiting "the right way" in a 6 man squad, has allowed me to buy raps at 1.2million (catshop at 1.4-1.5) and uncannies at 350k (catshop at 410-420k) all night, so I thank you guys and "your" logic. ~7-8 Raps and ~20 uncannies.

If your previous math is any indication, then you aren't counting the money you would have made from the squad. If that's the case, then you're actually buying Raptures for 1.44mil and your Uncannies for 420k, which means almost no profit margin. Someone else pointed this out earlier, and you didn't comment on it, so I suspect it's right.

P.S. Don't bother demanding threads be closed, there are various reasons why a thread might get closed, and the OP demanding it be closed isn't one of them.

I am sincerely thinking that OP is trying to cause trouble and havoc in the forum, or adding nonsensical fuel to all the QQ fire here. This thread is obviously a flame bait. b:angry

Frankie should step in for once. Her opinion will enlighten the 99% posters here or shut the OP up. If not to express a simple calculation, as least to simmer all the agitated posters here.

oragern wrote: »

Absolutely amazing...

I have read this whole thread and I'm shock how no one but a few seen the problem...

The OP thinks that the person who buys the items should not receive a share of the profit from the sell. This where the whole logic problem comes into play.

Op problem is excluding the buyer of the drop coins. When the buyer owns 1/6 or whatever the size of the group is on the rapture. You don't exclude their share of the profit.

huum, i hope that this is not what OP thinks but more like that the buyer shouldnt get the full reward plus the chance to resell the drops.

otherwise, lol.
if the raptures were sold for 60mil in catshops and the buyer could sell it for 61mil, does OP think that the buyer shouldnt get the 10mil split? b:chuckle

I can see the point and make it worse b:shutup
5 members get 233K
1 member get a rap form 1.4M + 233K + profit from selling the rap
right?

The 233K is the payment for the run 6 members made the run so 6 members get paid.
1.35M is the catshop buy price (the quick and easy way).
But 1 member buys the rap for the 1.4M. After that all members get the 233K profit from the run.
This finishes the run and the split from the run and all members did make the same profit.
5 members get 233K
1 member get 233K + rap from 1.4M - 1.4M he did pay = 233K

This is where it ends for most people, All is clear en fair.

now looking in the future:
He sells the rap for 1.8M and make a 400K extra profit.
5 members get 233K
1 member get 233K + 400K extra profit on the rap = 633K
Here the things get messed up OP says The total profit from 1 member is 633K and the other only have 233K, its more fair that the member that did buy the rap should not get the 233K from the run
5 members get 280K from the run
1 member get 0 from the run + profit on the rap 400K = 400K

The question is, is the extra 400K profit on the run or a separated thing.
If it is a part of the run the OP is right and the member that did buy the rap did make enough profit there and the rest should share the 1.4M

But I think that by selling the rap for a fair price, the squad has choicen for the quick and easy coins. Similar to selling the rap to a catstore. And after splitting the 1.4M with 6 members the run/splits/shares have ended.
If the squad did want to get the 1.8M they should have set-up a catstore them selves and make the split after the rap was sold. so the possible extra profit from the member that did buy the rap is not a part in the profit from the run.
And this all is based on the idea that the rap is sold again, and not collected/given away/exc

spooktm wrote: »

I can see the point and make it worse b:shutup
5 members get 233K
1 member get a rap form 1.4M + 233K + profit from selling the rap
right?

The 233K is the payment for the run 6 members made the run so 6 members get paid.
1.35M is the catshop buy price (the quick and easy way).
But 1 member buys the rap for the 1.4M. After that all members get the 233K profit from the run.
This finishes the run and the split from the run and all members did make the same profit.
5 members get 233K
1 member get 233K + rap from 1.4M - 1.4M he did pay = 233K

This is where it ends for most people, All is clear en fair.

now looking in the future:
He sells the rap for 1.8M and make a 400K extra profit.
5 members get 233K
1 member get 233K + 400K extra profit on the rap = 633K
Here the things get messed up OP says The total profit from 1 member is 633K and the other only have 233K, its more fair that the member that did buy the rap should not get the 233K from the run
5 members get 280K from the run
1 member get 0 from the run + profit on the rap 400K = 400K

The question is, is the extra 400K profit on the run or a separated thing.
If it is a part of the run the OP is right and the member that did buy the rap did make enough profit there and the rest should share the 1.4M

But I think that by selling the rap for a fair price, the squad has choicen for the quick and easy coins. Similar to selling the rap to a catstore. And after splitting the 1.4M with 6 members the run/splits/shares have ended.
If the squad did want to get the 1.8M they should have set-up a catstore them selves and make the split after the rap was sold. so the possible extra profit from the member that did buy the rap is not a part in the profit from the run.
And this all is based on the idea that the rap is sold again, and not collected/given away/exc

This logic is incredibly deceptive.

You are factoring in an assumption that the person is going to make a profit off of something by a certain amount. If this were really true, then why complain? Buy up the raptures yourself for your so-called "profit" price. Then find out the hard way how dumb of an idea that was.

In reality, what pretty much any squad would do is sell the rapture to a squad member for the highest price that somebody is buying a rapture for, sometimes slightly higher as a bonus incentive. This is not an unfair price, because the squad would sell it to either someone, likely at Raging Tide, who's either buying raps for their gear, competitively pricing it just like the squad member buying would, or are a typical B/S catshop making a profit already, also at a competitive price the squad member would buy it for. The only favoritism shown is that you would bias selling it to somebody who actually did the run with the squad opposed to selling to someone sitting in a catshop at Raging Tide. The price and morality behind it is completely irrelevant. Maybe they hold onto it for gear? Maybe they NPC it? Maybe they give it to a friend? Maybe they hold onto it to sell it later at a higher price? Whatever they do with the rapture once it's sold.. who gives a ****? As long as they aren't trying to buy the rapture for less than what people outside are buying it for, they deserve first dibs at buying it.

If your suggestion is that someone should buy a rapture based on an ambiguous "markup" price determined by how much you think they can make a profit of.. you simply don't know how trade works, and I'm fairly sure that any ethical squad would laugh at the suggestion.