Someone help me figure out how this is logical.
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OMG.
Got to work this morning, grabbed the coffee cup, opened FF->PWI forum - this thread has 10 pages.
WOW. PWI, release that expansion already, ppl are so bored they pay attention to a moron for 10 forum pages. OMG. This topic should have been closed by a mod after the 3rd or 4th post with the mention for OP "stop skipping math". Really.WTH is the purpose of leaving this topic running unless the mods have pretty much the same grasp on math as the OP?____________
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This thread reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfq5kju627c0
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Breloque - Archosaur wrote: »This thread reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfq5kju627c
lol haven't seen that show since i was a kid, but it shows the op exactly i think lol that one just don't get it0 -
Breloque - Archosaur wrote: »This thread reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfq5kju627c
omg that's awesomeyou only purge once #yopo0 -
Similar, only Abbott and Costello: 7 x 13 = 28
My favorite line from it (and quite appropriate for the OP): "You ever go to school, stupid?" "Yeah, and I come out the same way."0 -
SaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »@Aesp, who would offer to buy the mat 150k over the highest cat shop price?
Also, just wondering how many of you guys farm random squad for the drops? Random squads are mainly for the coin amiright? So wouldn't you want to maximize your POTENTIAL earning?
Catshop B>1.5mil Member 6> 1.5mil (1 Rapture dropped, nothing else) Catshop S>1.8mil
Members / Bank / 1 hour later (rap has been sold)
1. 250k / 0 / 250k
2. 250k / 0 / 250k
3. 250k / 0 / 250k
4. 250k / 0 / 250k
5. 250k / 0 / 250k
6. 250k + Rapture, / -1.25mil / 550k
^ That's not equal to me? Provided the person buying from squad is going to resell it, this is why I don't feel they should get their "earned from particpating coin." Even just selling they still made 50k more than anyone else.
Kindly point out what I did wrong there please. This is what I've been arguing all evening...
b:questionb:puzzled So no one can tell me what I did wrong, just insult me? b:thanks0 -
only thing that could help you, after 10 pages of posts trying to explain it to you in every possible mathematical/graphic way, is a brain transplant.____________
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-_- ... * points at the sh*tload of people telling/explaining in an elaborate fashion*
what you did wrong...
*points at your posts*
They all flatout denie anything they have been trying to tell you. and you stubbornly keep holding true to what makes sense in YOUR head.
bottomline?
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Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »only thing that could help you, after 10 pages of posts trying to explain it to you in every possible mathematical/graphic way, is a brain transplant.
Does that mean you're volunteering? b:quiet0 -
SaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »b:questionb:puzzled So no one can tell me what I did wrong, just insult me? b:thanks
You are confusing a market sell price and the market buy price. You don't want to sell to the squad member at 1.5m because you think he may be able to sell at 1.8m.
If you find the 1.5m instant sell price fair it shouldn't matter if you sell to a catshop or to a squad member, you personally get the same coins either way.
If you think the 1.5m instant sell price is too low for the squad then you have the option of trying to put in some effort to try to sell at a higher price by WCing or with AH and split the coins with the squad later. Rather then wasting your time and the squad's time doing that you can just sell it quickly to a catshop for a little less and do another run.
In a very efficient market with many active buyers and sellers the instant buy price and sell price will be very close. Any spread between a catshops buy and sell price is due to market inefficiency. The token market is typically much more efficient than the TT market for example.
Finally do you even know what he does with the rapture afterwards? If he consumes it you can't say that he profited more since everyone else made more coins.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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SaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »@Warren, just realized I could have worded it different. Not punished. Just not rewared twice.
And no, I'm a decent merchant in my eyes, not anywhere near warren and roid and countless others, but to toot my own horn, which may not seem like a lot to someone is quite a bit to me, but in the past month went from 3mil-~90mil atm, bought 99 boots/wrists/neck/belt too though
Selling it shouldn't be a problem.
oo i got ya now
u started with 3 mil merhanted for 30 days
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »You are confusing a market sell price and the market buy price. You don't want to sell to the squad member at 1.5m because you think he may be able to sell at 1.8m.
If you find the 1.5m instant sell price fair it shouldn't matter if you sell to a catshop or to a squad member, you personally get the same coins either way.
If you think the 1.5m instant sell price is too low for the squad then you have the option of trying to put in some effort to try to sell at a higher price by WCing or with AH and split the coins with the squad later. Rather then wasting your time and the squad's time doing that you can just sell it quickly to a catshop for a little less and do another run.
In a very efficient market with many active buyers and sellers the instant buy price and sell price will be very close. Any spread between a catshops buy and sell price is due to market inefficiency. The token market is typically much more efficient than the TT market for example.
Finally do you even know what he does with the rapture afterwards? If he consumes it you can't say that he profited more since everyone else made more coins.
Continue scrolling, and it's not that I don't find it fair, it's that they're getting the rapture at buy it price without having to wait for possible hours to get it, AS WELL AS the same amount of coins as everyone else. Every one keeps saying by selling to him you'd be making more money, but hypothetically speaking in MY scenario, where his cut is getting the rap at "buy it price" then the other 5 members split we would be making ~280k as opposed to 233k. So that is a false statement.Sunked - Lost City wrote: »oo i got ya now
u started with 3 mil merhanted for 30 days
thats obviously 3 x 30 = 90 mil
+ 99gold gear? neck/belt/wrist/boot o_OSaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »^ That's not equal to me? Provided the person buying from squad is going to resell it, this is why I don't feel they should get their "earned from particpating coin." Even just selling they still made 50k more than anyone else.
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"Provided the person buying from squad is going to resell it, hit is why I don't feel they should get their "earned from participating coin." Even just selling they still made 50k more than anyone else."
We'll just go on what Warren said and leave it at jealousy.
Can we let it die now, since no mods will close it?0 -
nope, but he can take one from a fly or a mosquito, would be a big improvement. Tip goes for you tooSilversMoon - Heavens Tear wrote: »Does that mean you're volunteering? b:quiet____________
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SaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »b:questionb:puzzled So no one can tell me what I did wrong, just insult me? b:thanks
I told you what you did wrong.Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »Why are you still stuck on that 1.8 mil? Ok, why would you guys ever sell it to the catshop when it'll sell for 1.8 mil and make 400k? By your logic, that catshop just made 400k and it didn't even do the run! ZOMG don't ever sell crystals to catshops again? IT got the benefit of buying at catshop price... for being a catshop! Buying at 1.4 mil is not a benefit but the market price. He didn't have to do the run to able to buy it for 1.4 mil. If other shops are buying at 1.35, he could have easily set a shop for 1.4 mil and you guys would have sold it to him anyways.
I have bought hundreds of raps at catshop price, by leaving a shop alt there. If I had to be on the each run that produced the crystals to able to buy at catshop price... good god I'll be dead. So there you go, being able to buy raps for 50k higher than the rest of the shop isn't a privilege.
If you guys are not going to wait and find a buyer for 1.8 mil, then you would have to sell at 1.4 or 1.35 right? The fact that you guys are not going to sell it for 1.8 mil anyways means that SOMEONE, if resold the crystal at 1.8, will make 400-450k. Now would you rather it be the catshop or someone who farmed it? For all you know, he's saving it for his weapon so will never resell. If there's another way to get crystals for 1.4 mil, (set up shop himself next to the 1.35 mil ones), then he'll never have to pay 1.8 mil in the future for a rap anyways, so he's not saving any money for a future purchase either.0 -
Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »nope, but he can take one from a fly or a mosquito, would be a big improvement. Tip goes for you too
And on what evidence did you conclude, I wasn't already using one? Yeah.. you just included yourself, lol.
@SaiIorMoon: You do realize with making up this charade you scared half of LC server, from ever squading with you for Nirvana again.0 -
SaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »b:questionb:puzzled So no one can tell me what I did wrong, just insult me? b:thanks
1-Player A has 2 mil to start with.
2a-Squad sells rapture to a catshop for 1.4 mil.
2b-Player buys the rapture for 1.4 mil he's down to 600k.
3a-Everyone gets a 233k split.
3b-Everyone gets a 233k split.
4a-Player A has a total of 2.233 mil coins.
4b-Player A has a total of 833k coins.
5a-2.233 mil so you don't forget.
5b-Player A notices he has less money than he thought so he sells the rapture for 1.4 mil.
6a-Still 2.233 mil.
6b-Player A now has 2.233 mil.
Is there a problem?You have three chances to guess the reason for the post above.0 -
SilversMoon - Heavens Tear wrote: »And on what evidence did you conclude, I wasn't already using one? Yeah.. you just included yourself, lol.
@SaiIorMoon: You do realize with making up this charade you scared half of LC server, from ever squading with you for Nirvana again.
That's fine I hardly run nv, and only do when a friend pms me.
But you better believe I'll be buying all the mats.0 -
he earns the right to get more coins by reselling the rapture because he takes the risk to invest on a rapture:
rapture price might drop,
he has less cash to use it other more profitable investments that may be possible in the near future,
he has to devote a catshop spot to the rapture and maybe change the location of it or spend more time in it.
basically the next step for you is to proclaim all merchants scammers.you only purge once #yopo0 -
SaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »"Provided the person buying from squad is going to resell it, hit is why I don't feel they should get their "earned from participating coin." Even just selling they still made 50k more than anyone else."
Ok, so is the catshop. The catshop is reselling them also. If buying at 1.4 mil is big enough of a advantage to be counted as 1/6 of the loots, why would you ever sell to a catshop and let it get that benefit when it didn't go on the run?0 -
Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »Ok, so is the catshop. The catshop is reselling them also. If buying at 1.4 mil is big enough of a advantage to be counted as 1/6 of the loots, why would you ever sell to a catshop and let it get that benefit?
That's it's "job," to sit there 24/7 and buy shiit to resell. The person in the squad is getting rewarded 2x basically. He's making the same as the catshop + everyone in the squad, (incomes he farmed it he deserves it.) we'll never see eye to eye so let it die.0 -
To summarize tho, would you.. after having run a Nirvana run, if chose to buy out the raps.
Pay Full catshop buying price. And exclude yourself, from the squad coin split?0 -
So if that person in squad had a shop at RT waiting, you have no problem selling it to his shop instead of him, and drop the coins 6 ways?
What if the shop you guys sold to didn't sit there 24/7? What if the person was just farming on his own then setup the shop right as you guys came out? Is he cheating you guys because his shop didn't do any waiting?0 -
SaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »"Provided the person buying from squad is going to resell it, hit is why I don't feel they should get their "earned from participating coin." Even just selling they still made 50k more than anyone else."
If the person resells the rapture at the same price as he bought it for then he doesn't make any more profit than anyone else who was in the same squad as him.
If he resells at a higher price then yes, he'll make more than the rest of the squad but seeing as how you were ready to sell the rapture for lower than he bought it for then you shouldn't be complaining.You have three chances to guess the reason for the post above.0 -
SilversMoon - Heavens Tear wrote: »To summarize tho, would you.. after having run a Nirvana run, if chose to buy out the raps.
Pay Full catshop buying price. And exclude yourself, from the squad coin split?
Not anymore, 99.9% of the playerbase thinks it "fair."
Those catshops are not getting payed to buy it though. (from running)0 -
SaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »Those catshops are not getting payed to buy it though. (from running)
I wonder why? Maybe because it didn't do the run? Read my last post.0 -
SaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »That's it's "job," to sit there 24/7 and buy shiit to resell. The person in the squad is getting rewarded 2x basically. He's making the same as the catshop + everyone in the squad, (incomes he farmed it he deserves it.) we'll never see eye to eye so let it die.
What you're talking about is basically imposing a capital gains tax on your squadmates. Good luck with that.0 -
Since you seem to have missed my previous post I'll quote myself.flamingahole wrote: »1-Player A has 2 mil to start with.
2a-Squad sells rapture to a catshop for 1.4 mil.
2b-Player buys the rapture for 1.4 mil he's down to 600k.
3a-Everyone gets a 233k split.
3b-Everyone gets a 233k split.
4a-Player A has a total of 2.233 mil coins.
4b-Player A has a total of 833k coins.
5a-2.233 mil so you don't forget.
5b-Player A notices he has less money than he thought so he sells the rapture for 1.4 mil.
6a-Still 2.233 mil.
6b-Player A now has 2.233 mil.
Is there a problem?
As you can see, in order for the person who bought the rapture to break even he needs to sell it for the same amount as he paid for it. Therefore, 1.4 mil can be subtracted from any profit he may make from reselling the rapture on his own.
Again, is there a problem?You have three chances to guess the reason for the post above.0 -
K the rest of you guys need to stop posting because I honestly don't thinks she can hold more than one convo at a time. It's not the dividing and math anymore, it's the fact that she thinks buying at 1.4 mil should count as a gain. Even tho all the shops, who might or might not have waiting are buying at that price or lower.0
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If you feel like 1.5m for the rap is cheap you should be buying it for yourself and resell at a profit. Why aren't you doing that?
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Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »K the rest of you guys need to stop posting because I honestly don't thinks she can hold more than one convo at a time. It's not the dividing and math anymore, it's the fact that she thinks buying at 1.4 mil should count as a gain. Even tho all the shops, who might or might not have waiting are buying at that price or lower.
ThisAsterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »If you feel like 1.5m for the rap is cheap you should be buying it for yourself and resell at a profit. Why aren't you doing that?
The correct response to something you feel is being sold for too cheap is to buy it and sell for higher, not to complain on the forums.
I've stated in 3/4 posts that's what i'l be doing from now on :x
and i'm done posting here, i've tried to get the thread closed and even asked to let it die but it won't.0
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