Frostcovered Land-FC What's going on?
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Why y'all say archers suck @ FCC o.o . They're best @ hands and heads and STA is good to decrease hp and then barrage hurts very bad ...!
btw every1 doesn't hax as much as u do VILK b:chuckle0 -
Yeah STA is a great idea in frost.. who needed that near half a mil xp anyways? Yay for archers!Eyeofthtiger - Sanctuary wrote: »Why y'all say archers suck @ FCC o.o . They're best @ hands and heads and STA is good to decrease hp and then barrage hurts very bad ...!
btw every1 doesn't hax as much as u do VILK b:chuckle
(btw any class is "best" at hands, they are extremely easy to do -- last run I did on my sin the cleric did hands while healing, they volunteered before we got to the big room)0 -
o,o i like archers on my runs & dw too much about assassins or any other dders for that matter, no one wants em unless they are high APS =O /end rantsarcasm
I read someone suggested going w/ friends, thats a good solution cause your friends will want you no matter what b:cute[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Lola_Frost - Sanctuary wrote: »I read someone suggested going w/ friends, thats a good solution cause your friends will want you no matter what b:cute
Yus, just like we want and love our Lola. <333 *hugs her lots*Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
Kylenea, level 99 Demon Cleric
ForestSonata, level 6x Mystic
Proud wifeh of Yudai
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_Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »"Last nigh fc 3 sins cleric bm...15min
5 man squad"....
Hope this answer you question or doubts..
Real DDs what sin are unreal??????
Ill tell you this i have a 10+tt99 gold glaive on my wizard
On my sin i got Frost wep +4 with 2,22spraked int... My sin in overall dmg deals more dmg than my wizard OoOO
This means that if i go with my sin i kill way faster....
Its sad cause ive benn on both sides but int- pwns inside instances b:bye
b:chuckle you still need a cleric b:chuckleBladedZero - Sanctuary
"Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."
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Katzyn - Sanctuary wrote: »Yus, just like we want and love our Lola. <333 *hugs her lots*
*loves on kat* see? friends got ur back >=3 b:victory[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Eyeofthtiger - Sanctuary wrote: »Why y'all say archers suck @ FCC o.o . They're best @ hands and heads and STA is good to decrease hp and then barrage hurts very bad ...!
Heads? - Veno w/ ranged pet can hit 2 at a time
Hands almost anyone can do
Demon STA is only 16%. Sage STA is very uncommon: Sage Veno Soul Degen is 20% (common).
Depending on situation, a Veno can produce comparable results to Barrage as well.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
I STA in Frost..... b:surrender
But I also ask everyone in my squad what bosses they are hypering so I know. I've had other archers STA in there and it's really irritating. But they get the hint when I tell them "We will kick you from squad, STA you, then kill you. Stop now and avoid that fate." Lol0 -
only those that have not had an archer would think thay loose exp with sta i have done experiments and get same exp using sta and not using it so if thay say that you know thay are idiots that know nothing0
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bout the whole STA thing....
Wont using Deicides cut exp too? or is the effect so weak its not really worth to mention?
just curios as my bm is 93 atm and ive been saving up money to get him deicides at 95, but maybe i should just let him use gorenox vanity til i hit 100 with him :P
edit: talkin bout using deicides in fcc :PP0 -
Mephistic - Dreamweaver wrote: »Can anyone out there enlighten me on this situation? let me hear your thoughts.
My advice? They are all noobs. Throw me an add to friends (since we're both DW) and we can FC anytime! b:victoryCortimis - 101 Demon Barbarian. 100% legit, no goonzs/no APS
Cortimi - 9X Demon Seeker. Total garbage and I will kill you with it anyways.0 -
Oops? Hi, I have a 97 archer. STA reduces XP when used the way archers are taught to STA, which is at the beginning of a fight. XP loss correlating to the max hp debuff is not something exclusive to archers either -- think it's time you started to learn your own class instead of hypocritically calling others idiots:Sir_rusty - Dreamweaver wrote: »only those that have not had an archer would think thay loose exp with sta i have done experiments and get same exp using sta and not using it so if thay say that you know thay are idiots that know nothingJanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Er, if they searched the forums they'd see that people test this all the time and the result is.. STA, sage soul degen.. they reduce XP.
Archer STA:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=626601
Veno Sage Soul Degeneration (same max HP effect, different %, same result.. losing experience):
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=917322&page=3
If you correlate that with a boss that normally gives 35K XP in frost w/12x hyper that's 420,000 XP subtract the effects of 16% level 10 STA or 20% soul degen and you lose 67,000 - 84,000 XP per boss. If one hypers Runewolf, Messenger, Oceania, Fragrance, Runephoenix, and the bigger Holeen, that's 300,000 - 450,000 experience lost thanks just to STA or soul degen.
It's a dumb thing to do in an XP instance like that until they fix this, if it's even a bug.
Deicides are ~ 10% max hp reduction, and if they proc in the first 10% of boss max HP, then they reduce XP by whatever reduction was not done via dmg. Archer level 10 STA = ~ 16%, and sage veno soul degeneration is 20%. If you look above, this begins to add up, but really have no idea how often deicides proc (despite having a pair of my own, and my wife as well, which I bought her) to determine how much a threat to XP loss they are.Yobo_kuma - Sanctuary wrote: »bout the whole STA thing....
Wont using Deicides cut exp too? or is the effect so weak its not really worth to mention?
just curios as my bm is 93 atm and ive been saving up money to get him deicides at 95, but maybe i should just let him use gorenox vanity til i hit 100 with him :P
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JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Deicides are ~ 10% max hp reduction, and if they proc in the first 10% of boss max HP, then they reduce XP by whatever reduction was not done via dmg. Archer level 10 STA = ~ 16%, and sage veno soul degeneration is 20%. If you look above, this begins to add up, but really have no idea how often deicides proc (despite having a pair of my own, and my wife as well, which I bought her) to determine how much a threat to XP loss they are.
ah, ok. Guess i be using some other weap for first 10% then switch to deicides in order to avoid reducing exp.
thank you for reply, guess that saved me from some rage from future fcc squads b:shocked0 -
$exyAlexis - Dreamweaver wrote: »You Sir are an idiot.
- Tanks / BMs LOVE Bloodpaint.
- Any DD likes SS
- Decent APS ( many Sins have that ) kills bosses extremly fast
- Some Pulls can be skiped with Sins going stealth kiling the shades
I consider being one of the better FC barbs, actually had one cleric b.itch for me cause I was moving too fast, freaking slowpokes, assuming I even need them on pulls, sigh.
-I dont care BP one way or the another in FC, it`s totally irrelevant. Well back in the days when I used GX for DDing those addons before 2nd boss, BP alloved me not to pot zerks. Bosses, for barb it`s absolutely irrelevant, our DPS is too low to have any major impact from BP, if we talking about traditional axe build. And pulls, barbs dont need any heals unless he would need cleric anyway, the adventage from BP is rather non existent.
-I havent heard of term SS or I am just being tired, could you explain what you mean?
-On lower levels, BMs with fists are just better or at least equal to sins on boss dps, add up dragons and I`d take another BM anyday over a sin, would I be choosy.
-Skipping pulls, unless sin actually is well geared(Talking about the levels of op), it takes longer to wait them solo shades than pull everything and get over with it. You wont save any real time with that and you might as well take the **** xp too.
-The bishop pull, doesnt every barb just get slapped instead of waisting time, waiting sin to solo when squad can kill em together, a lot faster.
My point is, on lvls we are discussing, you shouldnt be choosing sin would you want some super setup for FC. Neither would be choosing archer or psy or wizzie or... 1 cleric, 5 all weapons build BMs, 1 of em being able to pull, that`s the most efficient setup, timewise speaking.
Ps. Your arguments are irrelevant on barbs aspect and frankly it`s the only aspect I got enough experience to say what works and what dont and why it`s so.
Pps. You dont need sins for those 15min runs, heck, we had archer on one few days back. Or more of 20min run, remember my poison fang dropping close to end.
Edit: Kitty hadnt actually heard of subzero strike, should make more alts, sigh. I wont be editing my post more than sins are better than I thought and likely out dps BMs, maybe even noticibly with that skill. But yeah, I can admit being wrong, maybe I`ll learn to shu up when I`m on shaky grounds, at least I should =/.Trolling Sid since So Hot
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My question on the issue... seeing as how I just started running fc's so am in no way a professional.... What is with the parties I am seeing requesting full sin squads. Even saw CuteButEvil today in world chat asking for fc squad but not wanting full sin.???
Did I miss something on game mechanics of tank, healer, aoe and dd???[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=8679220 -
A sin with high APS, BP (esp sage), and a decently refined/highly damaging weapon will be self-sustaining on FF bosses because they'll do so much damage so often their heals will be like a cleric's. They can stealth through all the petty mobs, killing only the gatekeepers, owning the bosses, and solo that instance, in a nutshell.
I've never once seen a squad demand sin only FF on HT yet.0 -
WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »... wall of letters ...
You don't know much about the game. In FC unless sin has very bad gear it would have higher dps then fist BM (even more now with cheap rep). BP is great skill especially for BM (aoe with BP heals a lot, a lot of times enough to compensate for a sleepy barb not aggroing well), not to mention sins an reverse pull better and kil shades easy.
That said if i had to pick last 2 ppl for FC (barb, cleric, bm, veno first 4) i would either take 2 sins or one sin/ one archer/wiz/psy not 2 archers
Just because more than one archers is a overkill, but i guess could pick a 2nd archer if veno not there (if u count dmg from pet, amp, pdef debuff, sparks, etc. veno is better aggregated dps than 2nd archer, first can help for sharptooth). 0 -
I'd rather have an Archer in the squad.
The last time I did it, the fail sin couldn't shoot the damn hands, and nearly everyone died. I ended up using my bow and doing it on my veno. b:chuckle Then the Sin AOEd and killed the miniboss dude that explodes, and killed the BM who was tanking...
And yeah, that was my SECOND TIME in there. -_- At least I knew what to do.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
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Sekmeth - Raging Tide wrote: »You don't know much about the game. In FC unless sin has very bad gear it would have higher dps then fist BM (even more now with cheap rep). BP is great skill especially for BM (aoe with BP heals a lot, a lot of times enough to compensate for a sleepy barb not aggroing well), not to mention sins an reverse pull better and kil shades easy.
That said if i had to pick last 2 ppl for FC (barb, cleric, bm, veno first 4) i would either take 2 sins or one sin/ one archer/wiz/psy not 2 archers Just because more than one archers is a overkill, but i guess could pick a 2nd archer if veno not there (if u count dmg from pet, amp, pdef debuff, sparks, etc. veno is better aggregated dps than 2nd archer, first can help for sharptooth).
Kitty did edit he hadn`t heard of subzero strike buff and meh, chi skills, yeah, they seem to add better dps. But I do out dps sins of my lvl on my BM, I always expected sins to do better yet my lvl 79 BM grabs aggro now and then, what never happens to sin when I`m in squad. For that I assumed BMs would be doing more dps on normal basis. I must have had flawed experience and yeah, I havent really squaded with sins since rep sale, my server being young, rank gear was rather rare and still kinda is. And honestly, I forgot those -int daggers existed on 8x.
But for a barb BP is useless inside FC, I didn`t include BM to my statement as I really havent done enough runs to say how much it actually helps. Judging by things I have done with BP on my BM, it should have nice impact. Yet I rather wouldn`t talk about as I`m not sure he has done any run with sin yet on FC, making it hard to determine how much BP would help on that specific instance.
Sleepy barbs... It`s more of just out dpsing, unless barbs have low lvl roar/something. It`s not barbs fault that you`ll take aggro but other DDs as they are doing bad job, making you deal most of the damage to kill mob, thus taking aggro. Would there be even 4 toons that did the similar thing, you wouldnt be taking aggro off barb as you couldnt deal enough damage for it. Let`s say you need to deal 60k damage to beat roar, mob got 200k hp, 4 similar toons would make you deal 50k damage, keeping aggro on barb. Would there be bad DDs, you`d be doing more damage, taking aggro, which barb had no way to prevent. Numbers are just made up, yet should prove it`s not barbs fault you`ll take aggro but low DDs. With that argument you should be wanting archers to share the DD load on pulls with you.
I dont know fishes, I admit that but older classes, I feel like I know basics aka what skills they got and frankly I dont feel need to know the exact numbers. But I do know barbs as I have played mine a lot with having nature of always wanting to improve, I expect I am good at PvE as a barb, taking your comment bit insultive.
The whole shade thing, it`s pointless, you wont save any real time and on lower lvl FCs, that xp still helps, even if you dont hyper. let`s say it takes 20s for sin to kill shade, I`d had done the pull by that time or close enough for it to matter a bit.
Ps. As long as barb is tanking the instance, BP is rather irrelevant buff, when it comes to higher lvls where BMs tank too, it`s likely another story. But this thread was made by somebody who shouldnt be fighting for a spot with demon sins.
Pps. I`m not saying sins arent good for FC even on lower lvls, I just find giving any real weight to BP rather misguided.
Edit: Kitty made few edits, more than few, should read walls of texts before hitting replyTrolling Sid since So Hot0 -
WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »I consider being one of the better FC barbs, actually had one cleric b.itch for me cause I was moving too fast, freaking slowpokes, assuming I even need them on pulls, sigh.
-I dont care BP one way or the another in FC, it`s totally irrelevant. Well back in the days when I used GX for DDing those addons before 2nd boss, BP alloved me not to pot zerks. Bosses, for barb it`s absolutely irrelevant, our DPS is too low to have any major impact from BP, if we talking about traditional axe build. And pulls, barbs dont need any heals unless he would need cleric anyway, the adventage from BP is rather non existent.
-I havent heard of term SS or I am just being tired, could you explain what you mean?
-On lower levels, BMs with fists are just better or at least equal to sins on boss dps, add up dragons and I`d take another BM anyday over a sin, would I be choosy.
-Skipping pulls, unless sin actually is well geared(Talking about the levels of op), it takes longer to wait them solo shades than pull everything and get over with it. You wont save any real time with that and you might as well take the **** xp too.
-The bishop pull, doesnt every barb just get slapped instead of waisting time, waiting sin to solo when squad can kill em together, a lot faster.
My point is, on lvls we are discussing, you shouldnt be choosing sin would you want some super setup for FC. Neither would be choosing archer or psy or wizzie or... 1 cleric, 5 all weapons build BMs, 1 of em being able to pull, that`s the most efficient setup, timewise speaking.
Ps. Your arguments are irrelevant on barbs aspect and frankly it`s the only aspect I got enough experience to say what works and what dont and why it`s so.
Pps. You dont need sins for those 15min runs, heck, we had archer on one few days back. Or more of 20min run, remember my poison fang dropping close to end.
Edit: Kitty hadnt actually heard of subzero strike, should make more alts, sigh. I wont be editing my post more than sins are better than I thought and likely out dps BMs, maybe even noticibly with that skill. But yeah, I can admit being wrong, maybe I`ll learn to shu up when I`m on shaky grounds, at least I should =/.
Daily world chat on Lost City for Frost:
Nedd tank/Puller, Cleric, bm, TWO SINS, and others....
Guess everyone is dumb in Lost city and you are the Einstein here....0 -
Pps. You dont need sins for those 15min runs, heck, we had archer on one few days back. Or more of 20min run, remember my poison fang dropping close to end.
Wow bravo,bravo, if i get a 12+ archer 12+ psy yeah we can take 10min....
Kitamura does frosts in 25 30 min solo.. does she win??????
b:bye
You dont benefict much with bloodpaint OoOo still is better than 15 min evasion increased isnt it??????
And well Einstein the world dont goes around you and there more ppl in the squad that get benefict from our buff.....0 -
i like how people get vehemently ethnocentric about the class they play.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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_Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »Pps. You dont need sins for those 15min runs, heck, we had archer on one few days back. Or more of 20min run, remember my poison fang dropping close to end.
Wow bravo,bravo, if i get a 12+ archer 12+ psy yeah we can take 10min....
Kitamura does frosts in 25 30 min solo.. does she win??????
b:bye
You dont benefict much with bloodpaint OoOo still is better than 15 min evasion increased isnt it??????
And well Einstein the world dont goes around you and there more ppl in the squad that get benefict from our buff.....
I`m only agruing that sins are some only way to do it, I find it absurd how cocky sins are with full "we do everything so well", your attitude just blows. And I have mostly argued against BP, I find the whole buff useless to a barb in FCs and as we are talking about FCs of lower levels where barbs still should tank, arguing BP is the reason why sins are so good for FC is misguided.
And actually I like evasion better, I do nothing with more heals, I rather take less hits and save some coins on repairs. That is exactly how usefull I see your buff for a barb on FC. Frankly no BM should need BP on my squads, well squads where keeping aggro is possible for me(R8, demon fr/all demon passives). Your buff only helps barbs and BMs, on squads where barb is halfway decent, BMs dont need your buff either. Siure, squads filled with idiots, it`s hellish anyway, no matter for your buffs.
Yeah, I didn`t point out fast run w/o sins cause those have been bragging how much faster they make runs, really, there are no such comments on this whole thread.
Edit again, kitty will learn to hold the urge to hit reply.
Edit2: Higher lvl FC shouldnt be considered here, I could solo every pull there, thus taking maybe 2 BMs for 2nd HF if 1 spark isn`t enough to drop boss and 3 sins/BMs, anything with as many aps as possible. Cleric would be pointless as there would be no need for one. Yet we are talking about lower squads, at least I am, where you wont be having -int gear `cept maybe daggers and rank gear as sale made them easy to get for everyone. Any other -int gear on my server would be pointless waste of coins as leveling is fast and low supply of those drive prices up. Yeah, you`ll be likely doing more dmg on bosses than any other class, yet spending that time on WC asking for sin when you could take another DD and get over with it. I play on rather empty server where actually finding those sins would be hard. Is it really better to waste 20min+ looking for a sin on 8x instead of taking archer for example?Trolling Sid since So Hot0 -
WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »I`m only agruing that sins are some only way to do it, I find it absurd how cocky sins are with full "we do everything so well", your attitude just blows. And I have mostly argued against BP, I find the whole buff useless to a barb in FCs and as we are talking about FCs of lower levels where barbs still should tank, arguing BP is the reason why sins are so good for FC is misguided.
And actually I like evasion better, I do nothing with more heals, I rather take less hits and save some coins on repairs. That is exactly how usefull I see your buff for a barb on FC. Frankly no BM should need BP on my squads, well squads where keeping aggro is possible for me(R8, demon fr/all demon passives). Your buff only helps barbs and BMs, on squads where barb is halfway decent, BMs dont need your buff either. Siure, squads filled with idiots, it`s hellish anyway, no matter for your buffs.
Yeah, I didn`t point out fast run w/o sins cause those have been bragging how much faster they make runs, really, there are no such comments on this whole thread.
Edit again, kitty will learn to hold the urge to hit reply.
Edit2: Higher lvl FC shouldnt be considered here, I could solo every pull there, thus taking maybe 2 BMs for 2nd HF if 1 spark isn`t enough to drop boss and 3 sins/BMs, anything with as many aps as possible. Cleric would be pointless as there would be no need for one. Yet we are talking about lower squads, at least I am, where you wont be having -int gear `cept maybe daggers and rank gear as sale made them easy to get for everyone. Any other -int gear on my server would be pointless waste of coins as leveling is fast and low supply of those drive prices up. Yeah, you`ll be likely doing more dmg on bosses than any other class, yet spending that time on WC asking for sin when you could take another DD and get over with it. I play on rather empty server where actually finding those sins would be hard. Is it really better to waste 20min+ looking for a sin on 8x instead of taking archer for example?
Dear friend im not arguind whos class is better or not i just heard from rawrg and some lvl 101 venos that sins suck in fc, and if you read the whole thread you see things like even a hercules pet out damage a sinb:chuckle..
Im stating facts here and belive it or not with 2 3 sins the frost is faster........
Antway i dont care whos goes in my squads i just want the exp, if there more sins well great faster run if theres not well never mind we will do it anyway....
And winbtank i have a wizard on you server you know me well(Tivas) therefor you must know too that i have a lv l100 barb in LC.....
My sin atmm has a +4 frost dagger, and well he out dmg the +10 tivas glaive.....
About arch sins yes, i never saw one with nirvana daggers or any hubber gear, but the requiremnts on lost are far more higher and here most of ppl are "good" or "decent gears"...
PS: again im not flaming i have multiples chars and i know my shi t...
Its not just the interval that matters its our chi skills making us 3 sparked alll the time that makes runs faster...0 -
_Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »Dear friend im not arguind whos class is better or not i just heard from rawrg and some lvl 101 venos that sins suck in fc, and if you read the whole thread you see things like even a hercules pet out damage a sinb:chuckle..
Im stating facts here and belive it or not with 2 3 sins the frost is faster........
Antway i dont care whos goes in my squads i just want the exp, if there more sins well great faster run if theres not well never mind we will do it anyway....
And winbtank i have a wizard on you server you know me well(Tivas) therefor you must know too that i have a lv l100 barb in LC.....
My sin atmm has a +4 frost dagger, and well he out dmg the +10 tivas glaive.....
About arch sins yes, i never saw one with nirvana daggers or any hubber gear, but the requiremnts on lost are far more higher and here most of ppl are "good" or "decent gears"...
PS: again im not flaming i have multiples chars and i know my shi t...
Its not just the interval that matters its our chi skills making us 3 sparked alll the time that makes runs faster...
Yeah, I know you and it`s actually 1pm my time and well, I kinda havent slept yet, thus maybe choosing the wrong tone with the whole convo. Yeah, there were some stupid comments about sins but there were also some stupid comments for sins, I doubt we are too far from this matter, just been seeing things too black and white =p.
These days we got nirvana daggers and r8, well yeah, rep sale made the count of sins that can hurt times 5. And you are absolutely right, my gear that is average in my eyes, maybe more than average on server would be bad on LC/any older server. It isnt the case just on high lvls but all around levels, we got no pan gus on lowbies, those -int daggers would have been only -int you`d see on 8x sin before rep sale and even now, most sins wont have rank gear on 8x. That being said, there hardly is any major difference between sins and other DDs on our server as things that would boost sin dmg significantly just dont exist here and my comments should be read keeping that in mind.
Ps. The fast run, it wasnt any +12 squad, nowhere near, permapask archer, BM, another BM with almost permaspark, cleric and doubt there were others or if there were, I dont remember. For archo it was real high squad, for any of the olders, prolly just an average geared run.
Pps. I have only tried to say the difference isn`t really huge, on my server waiting long time for a sin that might not have any -int gear, I doubt it would be wise. And even if it would actually save minute or two, I`d be rather in instance, doing something, I dont really care if my repairs are few coins higher.
Edit: Missed last part, I was talking about pre 89 as permasparks would rather want 9x squads anyway than drag lowbies trough. Even perma 2 spark, I still wouldn`t be wasting my time, knowing just how empty archo can be at times.Trolling Sid since So Hot0 -
Yobo_kuma - Sanctuary wrote: »bout the whole STA thing....
Wont using Deicides cut exp too? or is the effect so weak its not really worth to mention?
Bang on.
Important point here, and something that separates a good BM from a bad one. Think about it, 10% is never much more than a mere 90-150k. The average boss starts up with BM equipping axes, all DD's in the squad sparking, and the BM dropping HF, maybe glacial if they have full chi. Pause a second, switch to claw, go all out.
By this time that 10% should be knocked off.
Opening with decide is just poor play.0 -
Haven't done a FCC in a very long time, so when I actually got invited to do one, I was overjoyed. I join and the squad is me, a barb, a BM and 3 sins. Ok...
The sins ran ahead in stealth to the first and second boss, leaving the non sins to tackle the mobs left in their wake. The barb decides to just run ahead, leaving myself and the BM to run after him.
Then the mobs reset aggro- onto BM and me.
Death ensues.
I suppose frustrated at the fact that the barb was so ashamed for expecting a cleric to be able to keep up with him as he holy paths away too, he leaves. The sins say, in squad chat, "this is taking too long" and promptly leave, leaving the BM and me in squad, alone, dead.
If this is what sins and sin- squads do anymore, I'd much rather take an archer with me than have to put up with that degree of selfishness.[In a distorted place and time][The knife that stabbed me in the back grants me wings]
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Getting chi? There's a scenario where you can't hf and axes aren't as smart as claw/fist to open with. I agree mostly with what you're saying though._DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Bang on.
Important point here, and something that separates a good BM from a bad one. Think about it, 10% is never much more than a mere 90-150k. The average boss starts up with BM equipping axes, all DD's in the squad sparking, and the BM dropping HF, maybe glacial if they have full chi. Pause a second, switch to claw, go all out.
By this time that 10% should be knocked off.
Opening with decide is just poor play.
Honestly I don't think deicides are that big a deal, and I think getting onto someone about deicides is relative to whining about going with someone in a FF squad more than 3 levels above you -- splitting hairs for no reason at all. There's not too many alternative endgame claws/fist than deicides and TT100 fist. On the other hand, while that would be splitting hairs and much ado about nothing, an archer or veno deliberately nerfing squad XP using STA or soul degen is absolutely unnecessary and is a dumb idea worth giving them **** for, especially when they come back with the dumb *** retort of "no it doesn't reduce xp" like we have in this very topic.0 -
From lvl 92 or so and up to 99 on my BM, I usually ran Cleric, Me, Sin + Sin. No reason to add two more people really, since the pulls die in a few seconds, and any other DD wouldnt matter much on bosses since they all dropped in a min or two anyway. (All spark, cloud eruption, HF = over half the boss' HP gone in 15 seconds lol).
Sin and BM dps in early levels depends. If I wanted agro I never had a problem taking it on my BM (-0.1 DO bracers from lvl 60, -0.05 int fists from lvl 73, and Lunar cape at lvl 90). The only thing that would have me struggle to get/hold agro is if the sin had the same setup, but with an added -int tome, then we would mostly go agro ping-pong, so comparable dps I guess. Sure, sins can use chi gaining skills to keep up a near-perma spark longer, but with a decent genie my BM could keep up 3 cycles of perma-spark with 2.86 aps and cloud eruption. If the boss isn't dead by then, you wont have to worry about loosing agro, cause your squad doesnt have an equally geared sin b:chuckle
Anyways, to answer the OP somewhat. Yes, as a BM I 100% prefer a sin to an archer if it's the last spot. However, I usually subbed the barb for a sin, since barbs dps is so low, and with BP I didnt need to fear dying on pulls. Even if my HP dropped to 500, an aoe would almost completely replenish my HP to full since you get so much back with BP. So, usually I went with an archer, and skipped adding a barb instead. As a cleric I don't really care. Fist archers can do alot of dps aswell (both early levels and late), and BP doesnt affect me much, other than I can heal a bit less, but well, I dont mind healing with my cleric since thats what the class is good at b:cute0 -
_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Bang on.
Important point here, and something that separates a good BM from a bad one. Think about it, 10% is never much more than a mere 90-150k. The average boss starts up with BM equipping axes, all DD's in the squad sparking, and the BM dropping HF, maybe glacial if they have full chi. Pause a second, switch to claw, go all out.
By this time that 10% should be knocked off.
Opening with decide is just poor play.
yes i agree, but it depends on how the squad is build, im not too picky so i often run with 2 bms or more so if im the highest bm DD in squad opening with fist/claw would not be such a bad idea while another bm hf. but otherwise yea you are right..0
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