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Only reason I, myself as a BM, would chose a sin over an archer is because if the sin is sage/demon and sparks while I HF the DD can become seriously crazy. Plus their Bloodpaint is helpful when there is no barb in the squad and I'm the guy tanking :x
But beyond that reason I couldn't give a damn if they brought in some newbie lvl 1 cause it was their alt, as long as that alt didn't **** something up and cause a squad wipe :x.
Tho, pertaining to your question as of why they prefer sin's......My only guess would be because they are BM's with an archer build so their crit % is crazy high and that allows them to land big numbers in succession at a fast rate with little effort.
Archer's usually end-up having to combo skills or other things together for the insane crit's :x. Though I myself in the 80-90 ranged loved archer's more than I did any other class, excluding a barb of course, because when they were in the squad I knew for a fact that the bosses would have a lowered HP thnx to STA, which means that the boss died a ton quicker than it normally would.
P.S. For anybody who says "Ohhh STA makes us lose exp
" go search these ~edited~ forums and there is a post by someone that PROVES STA DOES NOT CAUSE ANY EXPERIENCE DIFFERENCE. 0 -
@Naivity
Not sure inside FC but on outside mobs, STA does decrease the exp gained from it. I tried it on 2 normal mobs and the exp gained without using STA was higher. That being said, I have noticed this on every thing outside of FC so its enough reason to believe that it applies for FC mobs and bosses as well.
However this is very small decrement (maybe a few hundreds on FC bosses or maybe like 2k).
Also I believe the proof with calculations is somewhere in the archer forums, if you care to look.0 -
Why do people still think STA XP reduction is a mysterious rumor?
Any archer can see the effect in 10 seconds when grinding and the reduction is real. Any "damage" inflicted by the -max HP debuff does NOT count towards XP. For long fights this reduced XP is mitigated somewhat by mob healing.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »Im willing to do this if any HL people want to help me test it. Need an archer ofc, I cant play one for my life lol.
This was tested on PWI and it did seem to have an effect. Archer forums have a thread about too, go check it out.
Then again... there was a report that it doesn't have an effect in FCC anymore.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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Allisandre - Sanctuary wrote: »It's like venos without hercs not getting runs. Pretty soon you won't be accepted unless you have R8 or better.
I am a herc veno and I do not see the preference. Most often the barb wants to tank or the bm does and heck.. who are we kidding.. most of the time someone in the party messes up, kills us all, and we work for hours to try to find replacements.
FC is..exhausting...
I am glad though that I have done it enough, to of found people that are good at the runs, and we try to team up when we can.
It really is not so much about what class as it is the player and their skills and knowledge.
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Er, if they searched the forums they'd see that people test this all the time and the result is.. STA, sage soul degen.. they reduce XP.LifeHunting - Lost City wrote: »P.S. For anybody who says "Ohhh STA makes us lose exp" go search these ~edited~ forums and there is a post by someone that PROVES STA DOES NOT CAUSE ANY EXPERIENCE DIFFERENCE.
Archer STA:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=626601
Veno Sage Soul Degeneration (same max HP effect, different %, same result.. losing experience):
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=917322&page=3
If you correlate that with a boss that normally gives 35K XP in frost w/12x hyper that's 420,000 XP subtract the effects of 16% level 10 STA or 20% soul degen and you lose 67,000 - 84,000 XP per boss. If one hypers Runewolf, Messenger, Oceania, Fragrance, Runephoenix, and the bigger Holeen, that's 300,000 - 450,000 experience lost thanks just to STA or soul degen.
It's a dumb thing to do in an XP instance like that until they fix this, if it's even a bug.
In all honesty the barb is only useful for pulling. Aside of that, just about any class that can hold aggro away from others can tank, although a non-herc'd veno would have a much more difficult time with tanking and even holding aggro than a herc'd veno, particularly of the levels the OP is.NiaJade - Harshlands wrote: »I am a herc veno and I do not see the preference. Most often the barb wants to tank or the bm does and heck.. who are we kidding.. most of the time someone in the party messes up, kills us all, and we work for hours to try to find replacements.
FC is..exhausting...
I am glad though that I have done it enough, to of found people that are good at the runs, and we try to team up when we can.
It really is not so much about what class as it is the player and their skills and knowledge.
With fewer and fewer barbs available BM's and sometimes even HA venos or psychics pull now, excluding mag mobs (where I see some clerics pull too). At lower levels it's pretty miserable being stuck in a crappy *** run with fail barb and fail cleric, which are the hardest to replace, but once past those levels it's a lot easier so it shouldn't make people not wanna FF just cuz of that.0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Lots.
Um, the thread started over FC and why people prefer sins over archers. We derailed it to Sin builds, and then you started harping on assuming we were talking about PvE still. Almost everything you and I have said (typed) to each other has been irrelevant to this thread.
Most of your points are still nice but.... It still doesnt matter. +10 Nirvana .1 daggers and the full int set on a demon will make Nirvana enough of a breeze. No need to take all the nice Sage stuff to somehow make it faster, because it seriously wont get that much faster.
And the 25% Reduc goes flying out the window if you use Windshield. If you plan to spam shield for APS, it needs to be level 1 and your regen needs to be high, not your dexterity. Youl be having only 6% reduc while using it.
To people about the STA thingy. Imma go dive in the archer forums and see whats what. Wish me luck, Archers just are NOT my class b:shocked Thanks for the redirect.
Or not, since the person above posted links. Saved me a trip.
As for the loss.... Eh. Still end up getting more FC than anywhere else in the game, im not terrifically bothered. I take 12x and use it to allow some leeway for things like that. Its the same reason as a Cleric I generally wasnt too bothered when I had to town it in FC, I was going to get so much exp back it just wasnt worth worrying over. I towned it on my sin often enough too, to help the cleric recover the party from w/e disaster had happened.0 -
Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Assassin's are **** in FC, if someone would rather have an assassin in FC than an archer then they are an idiot and you shouldn't be running with them in the first place.
You Sir are an idiot.
- Tanks / BMs LOVE Bloodpaint.
- Any DD likes SS
- Decent APS ( many Sins have that ) kills bosses extremly fast
- Some Pulls can be skiped with Sins going stealth kiling the shadesI am:
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You sure about that? More APS will turn an hour or two FF into a 20-30 min one, and will turn an hour long Nirvana like yours and turn it into 15-30 mins. Granted, not everything should be as fast as possible but we're talking about repetitive farming of the same instance. Some people might have the patience to spend a bazillion hours farming the same instance, but I prefer to get it done with and move on to the next thing that's fun. Can you explain to me the fun part of longer time taken to kill the boss that spawns darkwings, or the ashura tyrant guy (like FF SUPER boss) or arbiter of flame? I'm sure as a cleric you'd love to be dodging fires for much longer from the phoenix boss too, eating up more MP pots.Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »Um, the thread started over FC and why people prefer sins over archers. We derailed it to Sin builds, and then you started harping on assuming we were talking about PvE still. Almost everything you and I have said (typed) to each other has been irrelevant to this thread.
Most of your points are still nice but.... It still doesnt matter. +10 Nirvana .1 daggers and the full int set on a demon will make Nirvana enough of a breeze. No need to take all the nice Sage stuff to somehow make it faster, because it seriously wont get that much faster.
And the 25% Reduc goes flying out the window if you use Windshield. If you plan to spam shield for APS, it needs to be level 1 and your regen needs to be high, not your dexterity. Youl be having only 6% reduc while using it.
To people about the STA thingy. Imma go dive in the archer forums and see whats what. Wish me luck, Archers just are NOT my class b:shocked Thanks for the redirect.
The more you try and rationalize it the more weird it sounds.0 -
Shulkie - Dreamweaver wrote: »its all about EXPERIENCE these days - thats experience (to level) not experience of the game. They are of the mindset not to take archers because if you sharptooth - boom less experience for them from the boss. waah waah QQ you lost me .01% exp on that boss ragequit/rageboot. I miss when FC squads before hypers. Even with just esoterics the exp gain was higher than rebirth gamma for about 1/3 of the time so you could get almost 3 runs and 3 times times the exp in the same time (and with less chance of failure) than RB gamma. Now with hypers it is even more exp. so people dont want to take the chance of losing even the smallest amount.
it's the players themselves that are taking the fun out of the game imho.
what's funny about this is if it's a higher level squad, the BM may or may not have Deicides, which would cause the same effect. Anyone refusing to take an archer for that reason but taking a BM with Deicides is an idiot.0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »You sure about that? More APS will turn an hour or two FF into a 20-30 min one, and will turn an hour long Nirvana like yours and turn it into 15-30 mins. Granted, not everything should be as fast as possible but we're talking about repetitive farming of the same instance. Some people might have the patience to spend a bazillion hours farming the same instance, but I prefer to get it done with and move on to the next thing that's fun. Can you explain to me the fun part of longer time taken to kill the boss that spawns darkwings, or the ashura tyrant guy (like FF SUPER boss) or arbiter of flame? I'm sure as a cleric you'd love to be dodging fires for much longer from the phoenix boss too, eating up more MP pots.
The more you try and rationalize it the more weird it sounds.
Hour or 2 for FC? After 9x passing the 1 hour once in instance mark is the sign of a really poor squad. Most of the time you spend in FF once the bosses take less than 2-3 minutes to drop is the bishops and the pulls. And simply travelling from a-b.
Strange. So your telling me I have to go APS for Nirvana? Its nice but.. not needed. Jesus, I know why people like APS, but not everyone will have it. People wonder why theres few Barbs or Wizards that **** in PvP anymore, its because theyre all struggling to level up alts just to do Nirvana for their mains. It doesnt need to be like that, people just give in too easily. I would rather do a longer Nirvana just because im helping my friends, as much as you apparently like to, considering your original FC post. Il admit that I HATE some of the bosses, but lifes a bytche, suck it up and move on. As for MP pots, wow, are you that cheap? Less than 33k for 50 pots man, and I dont use all that in a run.
People seem to be too focused on this "If its not making large amounts of money fast, its not worth doing" thing. Ive noticed a lot of people who merchant are more willing to go in a more laid back squad for Nirvana. They just happen to be loaded and could probably oracle an alt to 100 and 4APS in no time. They dont tho, for some reason. Ive also seen people yell for 4/5APS on world for over an hour looking for that last 4/5APS DD. They couldve taken that 1 random wiz or w/e and done two runs in that time. One 5APS in a squad makes it go fast enough to be little trouble. You dont need four or five of them.
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Ah, here is a nice one. This isnt toooo related, but I think il bring it up. People go so far as to sacrifice huge amounts of survivability for APS in lower levels. Its pretty funny. I was in FC a few days with a 9x Sin who died quite a few times after pulling aggro. He had those 90 .1 bracers, cape, 80 daggers (Those daggers make me want to throw up, theyre dreadful) and Demon spark. Was amusing as hell. Cos the rest of his gear was bollocks. those 69 mold legs, some **** boots or other, that dreadful 60 int shirt and some legendary neck and belt that were pretty nice if I remember correctly. He died several times, and the second he was dead, I got aggro. Amazingly, I didnt die. Full 90 LA (No int gear at this time), Cape of Tauren, Sky Demons Pearl, 95 OHT Map 3 belt, FC daggers. I kept DDing at my sexy 1.25 because I wasnt a corpse. For a good portion of that FC, he was 0APS. So pro.
That little story isnt too much aimed at how APS is, more at how dumbly obsessive over it some people can be. To the point where they dont upgrade gears unless its gonna increase APS.
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Also, youd rather be done in your farming instance fast to move onto the next fun thing? What IS that exactly? Cos as far as I know, all the PvE left is GV. And FULL Warsong if you're very brave.
As for your original question... I think im sure about that. 4/5APS is not as important as you appear to think (IMO). Its nice, but theres enough people around WITH it, for me to skip it if I choose to.
Imma skippin it. Keeping my Rank chest because thats APS without sacrificing my atk Lv gear or destroying my defences too much tho. the Lionheart stuff is the same, but im wanting those more for the 2% crit than the APS again, just the APS is a nice bonus I will take.0 -
Lately people only want Barb, Cleric, APS Sin / BM, R8-9 others (but they prefer high APS melee). My HERC Veno is 96 and can't lvl because no one wants me in FCC anymore... and it took me 4 months to save up for herc in game!!! What a waste of time!!! That's why I'm lvling cleric now, almost lvl80 and ready for FCC. Still cheaper than 5aps and my friend donated me sage rez before she quitted, so yeah. + I can heal just fine with a decent TT weapon. I'm not a cash shopper will never be able to get 5aps or R8-9 so cleric is the only class I can play (cheap and I'm actually good at healing). x)
Um, not sure who said this in the forum, I read it a few days ago but it is so true:
'There are only 3 classes in PWI: Barb, Cleric and APS'0 -
@ugysekell
For R8, person should be 100
For R9, person should be 101
I dont see either of these needing to even do FCs unless they wanna get to 105 which is pretty much uselss atm, unless you are a sin.
They might do for the luls though.0 -
Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »--
Ah, here is a nice one. This isnt toooo related, but I think il bring it up. People go so far as to sacrifice huge amounts of survivability for APS in lower levels. Its pretty funny. I was in FC a few days with a 9x Sin who died quite a few times after pulling aggro. He had those 90 .1 bracers, cape, 80 daggers (Those daggers make me want to throw up, theyre dreadful) and Demon spark. Was amusing as hell. Cos the rest of his gear was bollocks. those 69 mold legs, some **** boots or other, that dreadful 60 int shirt and some legendary neck and belt that were pretty nice if I remember correctly. He died several times, and the second he was dead, I got aggro. Amazingly, I didnt die. Full 90 LA (No int gear at this time), Cape of Tauren, Sky Demons Pearl, 95 OHT Map 3 belt, FC daggers. I kept DDing at my sexy 1.25 because I wasnt a corpse. For a good portion of that FC, he was 0APS. So pro.
You guys really got into this
Naivety what you said here makes me wonder...many times when a person says they prefer an assassin. I think it's because they have heard some things and the person forms raised preconceptions about assassins before they have any experience with them. This in turn leads to word of mouth spreading within the frequent FC runners that "Assassins are the best, or better than Archers" as such Archers become second banana.
What I would say is give every DD a chance, don't just exclude a DD for their class. In the end the monsters die.. that is the goal. Lets not forget that and work to better ourselves and each other.
About Sharpend Tooth Arrow's nedative effect. That is simply fixed my not using it haha. My storming eagelon DoT kicks enough *** that reducing HP is unnecessary. 0 -
Usually people assume too much.
Yeah, i've spent WAY more time in a single FC run but that's because were in there with just me, my husband and a barb. suffice to say it takes us longer but it's fun and challanging.
We have a personal life, so we have to go afk for a few.
You cant really do that with a Quick fix exp squad. regardless of the fact iffin it's a DD/5aps squad.
*shrugs*
On that note
If you wanna be up to par to the "high end" squads that do FCC/Nirv runs within a **** and a sigh you shouldn't be QQ-ing on not being accepted.
You wanna do it differently and being accepted for doing it differently than accept THEM for taking a different approach too.
I've seen several deceide using veno's now too. doesn't mean i have to in order to enjoy MY game <.<
I found enough people that do a damn well good enough job without 5aps, aren't loaded with vit stones, channeling gear, -int gear, DoT's or any Pack related stone out there.
It's a different playstyle preference, BUT ! .. big effing, laser light show, neon lighted BUUUUUUT ... anyone calling someone else a fail/noob or bad player just simply for the fact they do it differently than they are, are calling the cettle black and have obviously lost the perspective of it being... taadaa, a game.
If you want it - Work for it
dont get it ? - change your approach.
Still dont get it? - Either accept the fact and move on. Or find alternative means.
Still dont get it and dont like the way your supposed to get there ? - be creative and find your own way.
@OP's Question: All of the above. +Re-roll to sanct? your welcome in our squad anyday !All you need is something to believe in. -Solar_one. <--
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Just somethings off the top of my head
-can solo kill the shades (to make the begging faster)
-can do sin pulls
- can slow down the bosses attack rate (rib strike)
- can do some good dmg (but can't all the classes do that too xD)
-can stun or sleep the bishops so melees could get close near them
-bloodpaint
and some other stuff. But you should come to rt server, usually see teams wanting wizards and archers xD (but then again those are usually the teams that take like 40min to form x.x)
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Shulkie - Dreamweaver wrote: »its all about EXPERIENCE these days - thats experience (to level) not experience of the game. They are of the mindset not to take archers because if you sharptooth - boom less experience for them from the boss. waah waah QQ you lost me .01% exp on that boss ragequit/rageboot. I miss when FC squads before hypers. Even with just esoterics the exp gain was higher than rebirth gamma for about 1/3 of the time so you could get almost 3 runs and 3 times times the exp in the same time (and with less chance of failure) than RB gamma. Now with hypers it is even more exp. so people dont want to take the chance of losing even the smallest amount.
it's the players themselves that are taking the fun out of the game imho.
This! b:shutupIt's a game and I'm proud to be a stupid fail demon barb!
My EPIC Fail Demon Barb has 40k/48k HP and my stat points are as follows:
VIT 552 STR 310 DEX 60! b:surrender0 -
I get lucky very rarely to find a squad that will let me in the squad to DD when there is another cleric there. Funny since my tempest has been known to one shot most of the mobs in the big room thanks to my high crit rate. (I will always love you 200k crits)
Archers have BoA that is very useful since it deals damage up to the point of the mobs death.
Sins kill boss faster but this is my view, dont join a FC, RB, TT, or even BH if you know you dont have the time. Im tired of seeing people leave a squad before the run is finished after the efforts it take to get the squad together.
Forgive the lack of proper sentence structures, i'm both sleepy and have never been good at English, yes it is my first language.b:scorn...We are one, We are many, We are watching you...b:scorn0 -
You must not have been doing FF for very long. I also stayed in a FF squad that tipped the instance timer so I'm pretty sure that in itself is patience, to a degree. Rest assured 85+ it won't happen.Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »Hour or 2 for FC? After 9x passing the 1 hour once in instance mark is the sign of a really poor squad. Most of the time you spend in FF once the bosses take less than 2-3 minutes to drop is the bishops and the pulls. And simply travelling from a-b.
I suppose I was more thinking along the lines of squads the OP would get into. Level 100+ FF? Better not take that long.
At least we're both helpful. Friends aside, do you do any Nirvana runs? At all? Random? How were the results, if so?Strange. So your telling me I have to go APS for Nirvana? Its nice but.. not needed. Jesus, I know why people like APS, but not everyone will have it. People wonder why theres few Barbs or Wizards that **** in PvP anymore, its because theyre all struggling to level up alts just to do Nirvana for their mains. It doesnt need to be like that, people just give in too easily. I would rather do a longer Nirvana just because im helping my friends, as much as you apparently like to, considering your original FC post. Il admit that I HATE some of the bosses, but lifes a bytche, suck it up and move on. As for MP pots, wow, are you that cheap? Less than 33k for 50 pots man, and I dont use all that in a run.
I guess that's their fault but if I couldn't fill up a squad in not even half that time I'd have left to do something else. Plenty of characters, plenty of things to do.People seem to be too focused on this "If its not making large amounts of money fast, its not worth doing" thing. Ive noticed a lot of people who merchant are more willing to go in a more laid back squad for Nirvana. They just happen to be loaded and could probably oracle an alt to 100 and 4APS in no time. They dont tho, for some reason. Ive also seen people yell for 4/5APS on world for over an hour looking for that last 4/5APS DD. They couldve taken that 1 random wiz or w/e and done two runs in that time. One 5APS in a squad makes it go fast enough to be little trouble. You dont need four or five of them.
DPS isn't inherently good when survivability is this highly compromised. I ended up lasting without a cleric at level 80 with a sin than a 89 barb because I was attacking fast enough to keep myself healed, with the help of sparking too. The same squishy **** happens to wizards and archers who go to FF and barrage/db too soon and get crushed when mobs hit them, instead of, say, learning to barrage/db later, using a skill that doesn't gimp their movement, or simply using expel.Ah, here is a nice one. This isnt toooo related, but I think il bring it up. People go so far as to sacrifice huge amounts of survivability for APS in lower levels. Its pretty funny. I was in FC a few days with a 9x Sin who died quite a few times after pulling aggro. He had those 90 .1 bracers, cape, 80 daggers (Those daggers make me want to throw up, theyre dreadful) and Demon spark. Was amusing as hell. Cos the rest of his gear was bollocks. those 69 mold legs, some **** boots or other, that dreadful 60 int shirt and some legendary neck and belt that were pretty nice if I remember correctly. He died several times, and the second he was dead, I got aggro. Amazingly, I didnt die. Full 90 LA (No int gear at this time), Cape of Tauren, Sky Demons Pearl, 95 OHT Map 3 belt, FC daggers. I kept DDing at my sexy 1.25 because I wasnt a corpse. For a good portion of that FC, he was 0APS. So pro.
A person doesn't need outstanding gear to survive with 4/5 APS, especially as a sin.
At very least their means to an end is likely the same as mine -- getting a FF or Nirvana over with as soon as possible. No sense lingering around.That little story isnt too much aimed at how APS is, more at how dumbly obsessive over it some people can be. To the point where they dont upgrade gears unless its gonna increase APS.
Leveling other characters, helping friends, randomly helping nubs if I so feel like it.Also, youd rather be done in your farming instance fast to move onto the next fun thing? What IS that exactly? Cos as far as I know, all the PvE left is GV. And FULL Warsong if you're very brave.
At this moment the way this game is set up, it unfortunately is far more important. When a sin can derive their heals directly from both the damage they do and the speed they attack, it's pretty damn important.As for your original question... I think im sure about that. 4/5APS is not as important as you appear to think (IMO). Its nice, but theres enough people around WITH it, for me to skip it if I choose to.
Why not go with a Nirvana chest plate? More res, more defense, more bonus stats. Also, warsong belt / cube neck, instead of the Lionheart set. Hey, it has crit, it has HP, vit, higher grade, more defense. If you wanna take the defensive route the only thing you're going to ensure is that you can take a bigger beating without dealing anywhere close to as powerful of a punch -- at least, concerning PVE. While ultimately it's your choice how you wanna build your character, the anti-APS thing is more a fad than something reasonable concerning game mechanics.Imma skippin it. Keeping my Rank chest because thats APS without sacrificing my atk Lv gear or destroying my defences too much tho. the Lionheart stuff is the same, but im wanting those more for the 2% crit than the APS again, just the APS is a nice bonus I will take.0 -
Pretty simple, the longest part of FC (collectively) is killing the bosses. If that gets shortened dramatically who cares if mobs take just a bit longer to zhen? It honestly is that straight forward.BladedZero - Sanctuary
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JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »You must not have been doing FF for very long. I also stayed in a FF squad that tipped the instance timer so I'm pretty sure that in itself is patience, to a degree. Rest assured 85+ it won't happen.
A: I missed the mistake in typing FC, confused as to why you continued it and B: whut? I dont really get whatyour saying here, at all. And ive levelled a cleric from 7x - 100 in there and now a Sin from about 80-100. Trust me when I say im sick of the place.
I suppose I was more thinking along the lines of squads the OP would get into. Level 100+ FF? Better not take that long.
At least we're both helpful. Friends aside, do you do any Nirvana runs? At all? Random? How were the results, if so?
My sin only hit 100 3 days ago according to the keys ive collected. One run on her with random squad, with 1 4APS sin and a veno and AFK BM and a barb and Cleric. Took about 40 minutes.
I guess that's their fault but if I couldn't fill up a squad in not even half that time I'd have left to do something else. Plenty of characters, plenty of things to do.
Well what can I say, PvE hardcore. You have your multiple chars, I have my aims to be the best. PvP servers tend to have less alts on the more serious players. According to what I see from you, your style seems to be to get multiple characters up to level and gearing up. This ones just an attitude based dicision. If youve only one char you play, your gonna stick til it goes, if not, go nuts on other chars.
DPS isn't inherently good when survivability is this highly compromised. I ended up lasting without a cleric at level 80 with a sin than a 89 barb because I was attacking fast enough to keep myself healed, with the help of sparking too. The same squishy **** happens to wizards and archers who go to FF and barrage/db too soon and get crushed when mobs hit them, instead of, say, learning to barrage/db later, using a skill that doesn't gimp their movement, or simply using expel.
Some people are just dumb. They die, the lucky ones dont. The clever ones learn not to die. Also with the FF thing still?
A person doesn't need outstanding gear to survive with 4/5 APS, especially as a sin.
However they need gear. There was a particular sin on my server who was so obsessed with APS it wasnt funny. During my time in the same faction as him, he went ballistic over vent when he got his Pan Gu tome. I have a recording of it, it was amazing. Still, he died every 4 seconds tho. Everytime we went to nirvana. Aggro, hit, I switch targets, dead before I even started to channel. Dumbass wouldnt put shards in his gear "Because its not endgame, I cant afford to waste money like that". Not even just some flawless HP shards in his Nirvana leggings or 99 wrists or anything. He did less DD than the Wizard I go with more often nowadays, because he was a corpse. He had hit 4APS at this point.
At very least their means to an end is likely the same as mine -- getting a FF or Nirvana over with as soon as possible. No sense lingering around.
I give up, you clearly arnt going to get this. You are yet another person who is only interested in rushing through and only accepts success.
Leveling other characters, helping friends, randomly helping nubs if I so feel like it.
Be a hero, help someone who isnt a nub, help a barb do some Nirvana someday. Help a Wiz do Nirvana some day. Either that or dont help anyone. Cos if you only want to help nubs, that means you only wanting to help when its EASY. Which basically casts your "helpful" nature out of the window.
At this moment the way this game is set up, it unfortunately is far more important. When a sin can derive their heals directly from both the damage they do and the speed they attack, it's pretty damn important.
A sin can also derive their heals from a few pots. Its not hard, I can do it. You click a pot, and your HP goes up! Bloodpaint is a nice assist, but depending on it for heals will eventually throw yet another class out of Nirvana. Clerics.
Why not go with a Nirvana chest plate? More res, more defense, more bonus stats. Also, warsong belt / cube neck, instead of the Lionheart set. Hey, it has crit, it has HP, vit, higher grade, more defense. If you wanna take the defensive route the only thing you're going to ensure is that you can take a bigger beating without dealing anywhere close to as powerful of a punch -- at least, concerning PVE. While ultimately it's your choice how you wanna build your character, the anti-APS thing is more a fad than something reasonable concerning game mechanics.
Im not anti-APS, dont you get it? Its just not what drives me, and sure as HELL wont be what controls me. Il take the Lionheart Belt and Neck because they give me the crit I want AND give me some interval. The chest wouldnt add anything since the only set-bonus I can achieve is the 2 piece from both Lunar and TT sets. The cape lets me understat more Str and adds more Dex. And conveniently adds me some interval. And yes, I know there is a normal wing trophy cape I can use (Abaddon?) that grants a crit, and im damn tempted to go for it, since il still be at 2.0.
Im not anti APS. If I was id autoattack with Chill of the deep on and refuse to wear any Int gear and would never use windshield.
Im simply not letting it control how I build my character. As for game mechanics, PowerDash - Rising Dragon Strike - Headhunt with Chill on usually serves to drop anything I want to drop in PvP. Why should I spend 3 seconds sparking and giving my opponent time to holy path away, AD or w/e and fight back? I prefer to go bang -bang -bang back in stealth.
Back to PvE/PvP gear choices, there is truly nothing stopping me from getting the Cube / Warsong set and chest if I choose to at some point, but I think il take the Lionheart and rank chest. I get a reasonable amount of int meaning im not terrible dps when I have to do PvE and I get most of what I want for PvP. Its called compromise, and its what I have to do if I want to get anywhere fast. Im just not going to compromise to the point where anyone thinks I could be giving in.
Oh, and as another one, and trust me I like this one a lot, AA Nirvana Cape and Helm (Lunar) FULL R8 gear and the Warsong/Cube amulet set. Id only need 54 Str, meaning omfg loads of dex. Only issue with that is that there is only 0.1 int on it and il never be able to wear any other gear for w/e reasons. And yes, ive calced it and it holds up rather well in defences to the APS set up, and DPH and crit is huge. b:laugh Defences versus MY setup are a bit meh however. b:surrender
Also, the rank VIII gear is pretty. I have liek 40 screenshots already and im trying (And failing) to get a decent sig made from it b:dirty
Im going to bed now (Its 1AM and ive got college in the morning), but il come back here tomorrow to see what your reply is.0 -
SteelStar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
Originally Posted by Shulkie - Dreamweaver
its all about EXPERIENCE these days - thats experience (to level) not experience of the game. They are of the mindset not to take archers because if you sharptooth - boom less experience for them from the boss. waah waah QQ you lost me .01% exp on that boss ragequit/rageboot. I miss when FC squads before hypers. Even with just esoterics the exp gain was higher than rebirth gamma for about 1/3 of the time so you could get almost 3 runs and 3 times times the exp in the same time (and with less chance of failure) than RB gamma. Now with hypers it is even more exp. so people dont want to take the chance of losing even the smallest amount.
it's the players themselves that are taking the fun out of the game imho.
This! b:shutup
Its the can I use this word lightly? "Kiddies" and FC Nubbie that instantly gets up to level 100 and goes "Look I... roc... the AHH IM dying to X Boss forgot it does this spell" and they die over and over again thats ruining the... correction its like AIDS. Just cause you have a specific gender doesn't mean you can't catch it.
Maybe like Cancer. Lets all call it the nubtard cancer that is killing PW. A lot of Perfect World is still knowledge. There are still the egotists out there. Then there are the viglant people like me, who do it the same way. Don't care if we take Sin or archer ideally we'd take both and or the Wizard and just go at it.Time won't wake/make you wiser, but it will definitely wound you.
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I was a man of ideas and action, but at the same time a gentleman. -- S a Z T u R
Subtly is never my strong point, but I like to find the gaps in walls and the cracks in bricks.
Are you kind of seeing what I'm saying. b:bye0 -
They are all noobs my dear OP. They think that any sin is a great dd. While they are good dd's a sin at level 8x is not better than an archer, and probably a hercules does still more damage. For a sin to become a super dd they need a lot of interval, which is pretty much imposible to get at level 85. At level 85 the only interval they could have is from a tome and wrist guards, which most don't have. Most sins don't even have a good refine on their weapon.
I think you were better off leaving that squad because they were obviously noobz.0 -
Azura - Lost City wrote: »They are all noobs my dear OP. They think that any sin is a great dd. While they are good dd's a sin at level 8x is not better than an archer, and probably a hercules does still more damage. For a sin to become a super dd they need a lot of interval, which is pretty much imposible to get at level 85. At level 85 the only interval they could have is from a tome and wrist guards, which most don't have. Most sins don't even have a good refine on their weapon.
I think you were better off leaving that squad because they were obviously noobz.
Yah, Sins suck until demon spark. But being able to get 2.5 at 89 is pretty deadly. I've had sins be so c0cky that they said "me double sparking deals more damage when squad is effected by my subsea strike."AP classes are a real butt pounding...0 -
I got a kinda off topic question.. but why the hell does everyone call FROSTCOVERED CITY .... FF? Unless I've gone completely stupid I dont' see another F in there anywhere.
Or is it like Call To Duty? Apparently everyone called it FB cause that was however the chinese version name was spelled?
No wonder people that start playing on here i've met lately get confused..... This isnt' the chinese version people, use the right freaking acronyms/initials lol.. Point in case, I've seen people shouting for hours in WC for a "HH" run..... HH.... it's TT ya goofs lol.0 -
Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »I got a kinda off topic question.. but why the hell does everyone call FROSTCOVERED CITY .... FF? Unless I've gone completely stupid I dont' see another F in there anywhere.
Or is it like Call To Duty? Apparently everyone called it FB cause that was however the chinese version name was spelled?
No wonder people that start playing on here i've met lately get confused..... This isnt' the chinese version people, use the right freaking acronyms/initials lol.. Point in case, I've seen people shouting for hours in WC for a "HH" run..... HH.... it's TT ya goofs lol.
.. your question was answered in another topic where you asked this..Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »why the hell does everyone call it FF when it's initials are FC lol.
Open your map, look at where it is on the map. You'll notice its labelled "Forgotten Frostland" aka FF0 -
uhh i had totally forgotten i asked that...excuse me for posting.. still the rest of it....0
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Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »Or is it like Call To Duty? Apparently everyone called it FB cause that was however the chinese version name was spelled?
FB is short for Fuben, which means dungeon in chinese. Really old players (or people who want to act like they're old players) say FB because back then they weren't called "Call to Duty." Personally, FB sounds more pro.
No wonder people that start playing on here i've met lately get confused..... This isnt' the chinese version people, use the right freaking acronyms/initials lol.. Point in case, I've seen people shouting for hours in WC for a "HH" run..... HH.... it's TT ya goofs lol.
Again, HH stands for Holy Hall, the name that came with it when it was first released. For some reason, they decided to rename it, and the new generation knows Holy Hall now as Twilight Temple.
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EDIT: To OP, don't feel bad, nobody asks for Wizards or Psychics either..0 -
Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »I got a kinda off topic question.. but why the hell does everyone call FROSTCOVERED CITY .... FF? Unless I've gone completely stupid I dont' see another F in there anywhere.
Or is it like Call To Duty? Apparently everyone called it FB cause that was however the chinese version name was spelled?
No wonder people that start playing on here i've met lately get confused..... This isnt' the chinese version people, use the right freaking acronyms/initials lol.. Point in case, I've seen people shouting for hours in WC for a "HH" run..... HH.... it's TT ya goofs lol.
Frostcovered City is in the Forgotten Frostlands. FF.
Anyway, on topic. Nothing to say other than what has been said, later on if you decide to get -int stuff yourself you'll be a decent DD with fists/claws as an Archer.
You should also get a good friend's base while FFing, there's nothing wrong with befriending the folks you run successful FFs with. Those are the people that you'll end up wanting to run Nirvanas and other instances with.
Pretty much; Get friends, run instance with friends.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Still trying to move your cursor, eh?0 -
Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Assassin's are **** in FC, if someone would rather have an assassin in FC than an archer then they are an idiot and you shouldn't be running with them in the first place.
You dont know nothing about this game....
Last nigh fc 3 sins cleric bm...15min
5 man squad....
I can believe you are 101 and dont know how fast sins can kill things.... really, really bad post coming from you
Oh and FYI i tank every boss in forst unless theres a better sin in squad....0
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