should the fish be nerfed to make pvp fair?

Oneji - Heavens Tear wrote: »

@Kupuntu
I understand your point, I just feel the time people spend QQing about Assassins or any class in general could be well spent getting a good strategy together to beat them .

Assassins have been out for like a year. How long should people spend trying to come up with such a magical strategy that will somehow balance sins in 1v1 pk?

Do you really think the devs who haven't been able to fix the magic shell buff for like 4 years know how to perfectly balance 8 classes? This game doesn't need to be well-balanced to be profitable. Heck forcing people to reroll makes PWE plenty of money.

It's kinda of sad seeing how much people that complain about something get labeled as stupid QQers. In real life if you see a great deal of people complaining about school district or saying that town's property taxes are way too high you can take it as a sign that something is wrong. On this forum those people will be attacked and accused of being too stupid.

the stealth was one thing but they rly didnt need to add shadow escape force stealth in combat that just sucks pk wise you spark they stealth and just wait till your spark runs out

I heard one suggestion for changing stealth that was the best I'd ever heard then and since.

Make stealth drain chi.

Bingo! Gets rid the stupid "infinite stealth" time that sins can get and gives a logical reason for sins to have such massive chi gain abilities.

P.S. Edited my list to include possibly greatest range DPS too per request.

Unfortunately, despite our opinions, it's safe to say the devs will never get around to nerfing the Tideborn. They're not exactly proactive.

To hell with fish, fish suck and have no life but death to tartar sauce and a Fryer.

All of you suck...Stupid son of a monkey's uncles. Stop hailing fish.. Fish are brain food.

GM's need to round them up with fish nets and feed them to firebath phoenixes. That will make it more fair.

you know instead of QQing about the new classes and saying why this why that why dont you enjoy them. Doing some bhs with a high interval bm or sin is fun clerics can DD on the boss without worry. I just dont like the people who go to a new class and get it to 9x in 2-3 days even though right now its kinda possible with hypers and oracles. I do think that the stealth on a sin is a little overboard the damage from them are great with bosses my best frost run is with 3 sins 1 barb 1 bm 1 cleric thats with a full squad though XD. Had better with fewer people but back to subject dude your only what 2x? Why dont you do us a favor reroll.

OH and BTW BLOODPAINT FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!

and Techno XD

no1 is questioning their usefullness in pve. we just saying how OP they are in pvp. go fight a sin and ull see what we mean

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

So basically you're saying that a psychic cannot kill anyone? Seeing as you just running around but using no skills whatsoever (that would trigger Soulburn) makes you survive 8 secs of nuking... and your charm has 10 sec cooldown -- if you can survive 10 secs w/o skills, you can survive forever until your charm wears out. Then psychics can't ever kill you 1v1 right? Or you can survive 8 sec easily but not 10?

Please tell me you're joking.

I would of assumed it'd be obvious I was only using Soulburn as an EXAMPLE...but sure...we go go even further!

You know that frantic running around? That 8 seconds where you say you can do nothing at all...why not do SOMETHING!? If a player uses Absolute Domain against a Psy's Soulburn, YOU can attack the psychic! GENIUS! After all, if you've ever fought a psychic...you'd know we don't take hits very well, even worse than Wizards actually.

For all this QQing about our power, no one seems to be focusing on our weakness. A CLERIC can kill a Psychic EASY with Plume Shot, since it deals Physical Damage. Psychics have limited abilities to absorb damage period...Psychic Will doesn't last but 8 seconds, and Soul of Retaliation only works on one shot. Both skills have a 30 second cooldown, and Psychic Will requires a spark.

In the end, we can ignore their main purpose all we want, but Psychics are JUST like Archers...we're meant to KILL whatever comes after us before it gets to us! Otherwise we're screwed! We stun like archers, we have knockback like archers, we deal quick magic damage (omg, it's magic...better run away, end of the world...) and JUST like Archers, if another player is good enough...they can pwn our *** if we're not careful.

The minute you show me a WORKING build where psychics can nuke like a Pure Magic, take damage like a HA and evade as much as a LA...THAT is the minute I will say we are overpowered, and need to not only be nerfed...but removed from the game entirely. Until then, I'll ask that you please respect the number of times I've died because other players realize ALL caster class weaknesses...and move on...

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edit: Look, I already have to edit it because I forgot a point! This is all speculative, since just like all magic spells, Soulburn can easily be interrupted as well with a stun, sleep or silence skill...so if you're naive enough to stand there and let the fireworks go off and not do anything about it (frankly any smart person would stun the psychic or just whip out a bow and kill him long range) than it seems like a personal problem...

...again -_-

U ppl just complain of Tideborns because they are new, if they had been there from the beginning, you wouldn't be complaining. If you think well:

Blade masters are OP for the wide arsenal of weapons they can use
Wizards are OP cuz they deal the highest damage in game
Archers are OP cuz they can 1 shot almost everything in game and has freaking high evasion
Clerics are OP cuz of their high damage and their unique healing skills
Venomancers are OP cuz thei're the only ones who can use pets and solo many dungeons
Barbs are OP cuz of their too high HP

Tideborn classes aren't OP, we are different from the rest, just like other classes are.

Assassins has a lot of disadvantages too, and they are the most easy to die clas in the whole game, everyone says it, but even so everyone keep saying that assassins are OP at same time. they're just a new class, and ppl have to learn how to fight them and defeat them, that's all. And the same for physics, if someone thinks thei're overpowered too.

If you can't stand with beign defeated some times, then stop playing games, cuz you will never be invincible, no one will, but stop trying to get rid of the whole race/class of the oponent who defeated you, only cuz you don't like being defeated, that will never happen.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

People don't complain because Assassins are new, they complain because of the skills they have.

None of the original six classes are overpowered to such a degree that no other class has a way to effectively deal with them at end game. Yes each class has certain advantages however each has a class that is able to handle them. Assassins do not.

Clerics, Wizards, and Archers die far more easily than an Assassin in PvP. Assassins have the ability to evade all incoming damage 25% of the time or evade all status effects 50% of the time. That along with being able to force stealth if things go bad and Deaden Nerves makes them OP. Especially when they also have extremely high DPS and the ability to teleport to their target, not just leaping forward or back in a general direction, teleporting right on top of their target.

I defeated an assassin with my alt physic character the other day, and I don't consider myself a pro PWI gamer yet, so it musn't be that hard to kill an assassin, must it?.

To tell you how I did it, he started by trying to stealth, of course, but I started with an attack which interrupts spells, so he couldn't stealth, the rest of the way was easy, just 1 more attack and he was died.

If he would have come to me by teleporting and stunning skill, I would have use any buff skill which makes me inmune to negative status (mine or genie's buff skill) and problem solved. Just to mention a couple of situations which can be solved by using the brain, but yah, U have to think fast, cuz if you're slow minded, dont' blame anything elese for it.

Noskrad - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I defeated an assassin with my alt physic character the other day, and I don't consider myself a pro PWI gamer yet, so it musn't be that hard to kill an assassin, must it?.

No one cares about 6x PVP or duels. The game is different at 100+. Let the big boys talk.

Oneji - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Alright then I have a question....If they remove stealth completely, how then would they balance out the assassins physical defense weakness for end game as well as beginner players? In all honesty not all players can afford to refine and shard the gear until they are on par with other classes. So assuming stealth is now removed how does the assassin now defend itself? seeing as how almost all end game mages can 1 shot them? And I also forgot to mention barbs just simply tanking them until they are dead?

I am not saying you cannot beat a class without stealth, but I am saying that it presents a major handicap for the assassin. Look at archers, you may say hey they are LA to though, but they have range to their advantage as well as anti stun+temporary immunity+reduced damage skill. So they are pretty well rounded even if they are LA.

Responding to your points:
-Assassins are immune to being 1 shot by wizards.
-Even barbs cant tank 5.0 dagger sins.
-Assassins outrange archers.

I dont think stealth should be removed but the developers totally forgot to add any effective counter.
Take a look BM stuns.
Other classes can use anti stun skills, they can use vac powder which is available from every apothecary, they can use genie skills like badge of courage and fortify.

Now take a look at stealth.
No other classes have anti stealth skills. There is no anti stealth genie skill. The only apothecary pot is not widely available, only lasts a few seconds, and even then does not let you see same-level sins. AOEs are ineffective as well since you are forced to AOE on a target (even for AOEs centered around yourself).

Noskrad - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I defeated an assassin with my alt physic character the other day, and I don't consider myself a pro PWI gamer yet, so it musn't be that hard to kill an assassin, must it?.

To tell you how I did it, he started by trying to stealth, of course, but I started with an attack which interrupts spells, so he couldn't stealth, the rest of the way was easy, just 1 more attack and he was died.

The mentioned sin obviously was far too noob to use deaden nerves then.

what ever happened to "omg you have to nerf the veno with nix they are so op"? lol since when are the fish op? the only ones that are op are the ones with +10-12 gear, seems to me that any class with that could be op. lol quit crying and go learn your class so you can compete with all these "op" classes