[Discussion of Territory War Changes 8-5-10]
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[FORUM] ViciousMinx Easy fix to make them change it back. Everyone stop playing for a month and buying from the CS in protest0
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ViciousMinx - Dreamweaver wrote: »Easy fix to make them change it back. Everyone stop playing for a month and buying from the CS in protest
25 people out of my faction, all level 75+, half of them level 90+ have quit the game, maybe that will get their attention?
I've also left the game, Don't like the way PWE is going.0 -
Aquilez - Sanctuary wrote: »a bm and maybe even barbs without charm with around same gear as an archer would die against him
In real TWs mages gush crit 10k and archers tick charms like mad. Stun/cata squad would be dead in seconds (like they already didn't go down so fast, blessings ftl) without charms.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.0 -
Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »In real TWs mages gush crit 10k and archers tick charms like mad. Stun/cata squad would be dead in seconds (like they already didn't go down so fast, blessings ftl) without charms.
There are not many mages who can crit 10k with gush, unless they have very good gear and ur magic defence sucks, or they're sparked and uve been undined... It's not too common, anyway.0 -
Pattoe - Raging Tide wrote: »There are not many mages who can crit 10k with gush, unless they have very good gear and ur magic defence sucks, or they're sparked and uve been undined... It's not too common, anyway.
Real TW by my definition means that everything is +10. b:chuckle100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.0 -
This TW change is more geared toward PW-CN where inflation is through the roof. Sorta like the reduction in price of DQs was the solution for their server problems but we got the update anyway. I think I saw a S/S somewhere where 1 gold costs 1M coins in their server. When you take that into account, getting 150 mirages might give equal value of 10M coins in their server. Maybe that's why they didn't really care for the change.
I'm kind of glad we got this TW update anyway. Taking 500M away from TW pay and the new bidding process can't be harming PWI economy can it?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Making "non-trash-talkers" show their true color. RAGE ON! b:laugh0 -
Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »In real TWs mages gush crit 10k and archers tick charms like mad. Stun/cata squad would be dead in seconds (like they already didn't go down so fast, blessings ftl) without charms.
Indeed.
Wasn't one of the "arguments" in favor of the Jones blessing, "Go farm, spend more, buy a charm, noob?" And now the "argument" in favor of this change is evidently to go to TW charmless.
See, that's what makes so many of these changes bad -- they aren't looking at the big picture. It's all related. One thing affects another. You can't do these things in isolation and think it's not going to completely bugger up the game.0 -
Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »Real TW by my definition means that everything is +10. b:chuckle
Dunno how is it in your server but in my server there are very few wizards with that kind of gear.0 -
erm if 3 factions were actually willing to risk the loss THEY CAN STILL FAKE BID!
There's a general rule of bidding on lands that all the big guilds know if they dont then they need a rain check.
And as for the gold prices, GM's, thats the Game MODERATORS (moderator - someone who has power to adjust there trusted area by whatever means) could have just CAPPED gold at 200k there done SORTED, but that would hurt there wallet.
AND NO1 IS LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE
NOW BIG TW PAY = NO MONEY TO SPEND ON ALL YOU MERCH FOOLS, ANYONE EVEN BOTHER TO THINK ABOUT THAT. THERE GOES YOU BIG PROFIT FROM THE LUNAR WEAPON.
In the end gold prices will rise because of this new boutique item auction were people HAVE to pay GOLD to win, you i said it GOLD not coin GOLD so where do i get this fantastic gold from? The over priced gold from the Auction House of course, wow lemme go farm 3 months to earn enough to pay 54 gold for a fly mount too, or i'll just use my GOLD credit card....
People give the GM's far far more credit than there worth, GM's are worthless with no meaningful gaming passion who would rather see greater profit in a lump sum than make the players more happier to buy gold.
What some of you just don't get is this;
Devs create the game and patches, they give 3-4 (more or less) versions of it to the GM's who then have the power to choose which patch they want or suits best for there wallets.
And im going to point out Mirage ARE NOT WORTH 100k HERE! yes in CN but not here you cannot apply another patch to this version of pw that was successful in CN. THEY HAVE A COMPLETE DIFFERENT ECONOMY!!!!!!0 -
Pattoe - Raging Tide wrote: »Dunno how is it in your server but in my server there are very few wizards with that kind of gear.
A couple on Sanct and way more on LC. The three biggest factions on LC are full of people that have +7 gears and those with +10 gears aren't anything new.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.0 -
Doesnt this make fake bidding easier since u can only bid once?...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Noob - Raging Tide wrote: »Doesnt this make fake bidding easier since u can only bid once?...
I'd say no. Who would want to fake bid on a territory if you're not sure if the territory is getting attacked?100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.0 -
Noob - Raging Tide wrote: »Doesnt this make fake bidding easier since u can only bid once?...
Urgh learn to read... go back 1 page.0 -
I like this change. Now ppl will not just TW for the coins. Maybe the larger factions will split up and we will have more fun TWs.0
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frankieraye wrote: »Hey guys,
Use this thread to share your thoughts on the recent TW changes.
Please keep it civil so we can get a good discussion going.
Thanks!
*Update*
Greetings,
Thank you for all your feedback. We understand that this is a drastic change to the Territory War system. However we believe that in time, things will shape up in PWI for the better. Something I'd like to mention since nobody has yet brought it up: There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.
With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.
That's not to say that we don't have any power to change this system, or that this system is not going to be tweaked with. Over the next couple of weeks we will be monitoring TW activities, as well as the economy to see what kind of affect this change has in these two areas.
Thanks again for your passionate responses. It truly shows the love you players have for PWI.
-Kantorek
[FORUM] ViciousMinx We had TW before gold prices jumped to the +400k range and gold was much easier to afford. Tw is not the cause of the broken economy even though it introduces coins from the pay those coins are used to cover the repair cost, charms, and misc expenses associated with TW. The introduction of packs is what caused the jump in gold prices with in moments of them being added in the CS. When packs are removed gold prices immediately begin to drop to pre pack purchase amounts. Only problem then is they are never removed for more than a few days and even have emergency maint to reinsert them. Causing gold prices to shoot right back up to the +400k range0 -
SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »Spending 12 hours on a game grinding and multi boxing to merch non-stop is nobodies idea of fun, unless you're just some hard-up loser with nothing better to do.SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »[Hypocrisy]
I hate it when people come and add nothing to the debate/argument and QQ about people who complain.
[/Hypocrisy]
No need for the hypocrisy tags, you clearly don't need them. Just because I posted in a thread doesn't mean I need to add to the "debate/argument." Technically I did add to the debate; my personal QQ about this update is it brings flocks of terribles like you to the forums.0 -
Noob - Raging Tide wrote: »Doesnt this make fake bidding easier since u can only bid once?...
Most factions know when their territory will be attacked, because the person they are scared of being attacked by can only attack one of their territories, this has happened many times on Raging Tides, I'm sure you can remember, when Murr used a fake bid to block... I think it was poseidon? Im not sure which the other faction was, but the other faction could have only attacked that one land which Murr used a fake bid on, which means this secret bidding system wouldnt have stopped that fake bid taking place.
And the non-refundable part wouldnt have stopped it either since Murr had the money to throw away on a fake bid of 5 or even 10mil.0 -
ViciousMinx - Dreamweaver wrote: »We had TW before gold prices jumped to the +400k range and gold was much easier to afford. Tw is not the cause of the broken economy even though it introduces coins from the pay those coins are used to cover the repair cost, charms, and misc expenses associated with TW. The introduction of packs is what caused the jump in gold prices with in moments of them being added in the CS. When packs are removed gold prices immediately begin to drop to pre pack purchase amounts. Only problem then is they are never removed for more than a few days and even have emergency maint to reinsert them. Causing gold prices to shoot right back up to the +400k range
And let's not forget the previous step to this, which was the introduction of the "chest of coins" as a reward for Cube of Fate. That caused gold to instantly jump from 100k to 200k+, since chest of coins = 1mil, but the perfect iron hammer required to open the chest costs 5 gold and can only by bought at the boutique. 1mil / 5 gold = 1 gold @ 200k. Also instantly made the chests worthless as a reward. lol GG, not.0 -
Mraochan - Lost City wrote: »And let's not forget the previous step to this, which was the introduction of the "chest of coins" as a reward for Cube of Fate. That caused gold to instantly jump from 100k to 200k+, since chest of coins = 1mil, but the perfect iron hammer required to open the chest costs 5 gold and can only by bought at the boutique. 1mil / 5 gold = 1 gold @ 200k. Also instantly made the chests worthless as a reward. lol GG, not.
thats correct i always forget about thoes things.0 -
...Just wait till they remove ecstasy cards as bh reward as well.*Semi retired*0
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Ladydeadlock - Heavens Tear wrote: »...Just wait till they remove ecstasy cards as bh reward as well.
that's not gonna happen, cause then, all motivation to do BH is gone especially for the barbs.0 -
Ladydeadlock - Heavens Tear wrote: »...Just wait till they remove ecstasy cards as bh reward as well.
...dont forget to add a coin fee every time we set up catshop.
....oops... :x[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »that's not gonna happen, cause then, all motivation to do BH is gone especially for the barbs.
wouldnt be anything new. already took away motivation from everything else.*Semi retired*0 -
New update: BH100 now gives XP and Spirit, like all the other bounty hunters.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Okay so I was talking with an ingame friend about this change and she thought of a possible solution.
1. Keep the payment or even lower it to 60% Not as much but still better than mirages, we can agree on that.
2. Add a cap on the amount of territory 1 faction can hold. 5 lands would be a decent cap. This would stop big factions from taking all the map, however they'd still fight for the best lands, which would be way more fun.
3. Return 80% of outbid coins. So new TWers can still bid, yet do it wisely because it would still keep 20% of your total bid.
4. Increase the crystals HP and defenses by 30% So TW lasts more.
5. Add a cap of a max of 2 ticks on charms / minute Would still help people, yet would not overpower as much.
Pretty decent.
Just putting it up here so people can think about it.
Pros about this:
1. New / small factions would be able to compete with equal powered factions.
2. More diversity on the map, meaning, we'd have atleast 9-10 colors with a fair and continuous competition.
3. Members would still get paid, not as much, yet, it would be even for everyone.
4. Due to more diversity, other factions would bid and everyone would be active on TW since more would be attacking more than one land.
5. Would still affect negatively those factions who fake bid by losing 20% of their bid. Meaning, fake bid would be reduced not eliminated but atleast would be reduced.
6. Most of the QQ would disapear from these forums about the TW change... (yes please)
Cons about this:
1. People would still want to own more than 5 lands, opening the posibility to creating "fake" factions (as they do now pretty much).
2. QQ about charm / payment.
It is a even acceptable suggestion what we got here.
Just bringing it up, so they MIGHT take it for consideration.WTB> -12% channeling BELT or RING pm me with link or mail me ingame HT server, ty.0 -
Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »Now, get it right,
TW =/= Income
TW == Fun
If you can TW, do so, if not then save up. That is all. Now stop for once all this QQ no one is going to do nothing. Ragequit if thats what you want, lose all those hours of gameplay for nothing.
Bye, and PLEASE GET OUT MORE.
You're an idiot. You don't even TW. Your opinion is worthless. Adding yellow text to quote boxes is lazy and makes your points un-addressable. b:byeI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
This would be an OK idea if 2 things happen.
1. Build towers become free option, so technically a guild wouldn't have to spend anymore gold other then bid for war.
2. If they stopped giving mirages for doing BH 100, so mirages would become a rarer item and more sought after item.
At first i thought the TW change was bad idea but the more i think about it the more i am glad they changed it.
I think it would also be a good idea to give a random mold or weapon with TW win. I played another game before this were they did not give money but gave random number of refining items, pots and elite weapons. You never new what you were going to get till you won and open all the random chest in the castle. It worked good. The one diffenence was that the refining items in that game were very rare and in great demand. Oh and another difference is there was not bidding so no one feared wasting money. It was kind of a free for all with all guilds on the battlefield at once.0 -
Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »Okay so I was talking with an ingame friend about this change and she thought of a possible solution.
1. Keep the payment or even lower it to 60% Not as much but still better than mirages, we can agree on that.
2. Add a cap on the amount of territory 1 faction can hold. 5 lands would be a decent cap. This would stop big factions from taking all the map, however they'd still fight for the best lands, which would be way more fun.
3. Return 80% of outbid coins. So new TWers can still bid, yet do it wisely because it would still keep 20% of your total bid.
4. Increase the crystals HP and defenses by 30% So TW lasts more.
5. Add a cap of a max of 2 ticks on charms / minute Would still help people, yet would not overpower as much.
1. Agree'd.
2. Just stupid the only competition would be between the lower nooby guild thus sapping fun from the level 100's.
3.how about 50%.
4.Wouldn't make a difference to the larger more geared factions, we'd only kill u in 9 mins instead of 7
5.thats just damn stupid, did you even think that through? what if your not in TW and you tanking a MAJOR boss?
CHARMS DON'T JUST INVOLVE TW WHEN WILL YOU PPL LEARN!0 -
Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »
1. Keep the payment or even lower it to 60% Not as much but still better than mirages, we can agree on that.
2. Add a cap on the amount of territory 1 faction can hold. 5 lands would be a decent cap. This would stop big factions from taking all the map, however they'd still fight for the best lands, which would be way more fun.
3. Return 80% of outbid coins. So new TWers can still bid, yet do it wisely because it would still keep 20% of your total bid.
4. Increase the crystals HP and defenses by 30% So TW lasts more.
5. Add a cap of a max of 2 ticks on charms / minute Would still help people, yet would not overpower as much.
I'm not up for a compromise. The factions that own land (at least, on my server) worked hard to get them. Either by strategy, skill, in-game coin, real money, or a combination. TW is an end-game goal for many, and the recent changes to the system destroy all my motivation. I can hardly stand to look at the game now.
My personal solution will be to boycott the game. No more money from me. Hopefully others will do the same. Hopefully actions will speak louder than words, seeing as how there's been no real response to these issues yet. I'll be patient for 2 weeks, if there is still no hope, I'll bind all my gear, quit my guild that I love dearly, and RPK until I get bored. Live off the drops. Set my auto response to: "the devs made me do it - blame it on them QQ" Let's see how long the lower levels will want to play on a PvP server after that.0 -
So effectively atm all this has done is kill TW. This patch is aweful, no TW salaray = guilds will no longer TW, people wont buy charms anymore. Random pvp will be the only pvp. The heavist cash shoppers will end up spending less. The people that don't spend much or can't will end up quiting entirely. All that this will succeed in doing is killing off 'Perfect World' completely.
Why the hell don't you actually pay attiong to comunity ideas/imput - Oh yeah all you care about is your wallets.
Well let your wallets listen to this, you should of put guilds with say 200 lvl100s defending in TW. A cap so they can only turn up with around 20 people if a guild with only say 80 lvl50s turns up. A sliding power scale for level to potential damage. Keeping balance but giving a chance. A cap on the amount of Territories a Guild can hold is a GOOD idea. You'd have to from proper alliances and stick to them to achieve dominating a server.
The new nirvana setup, with all bosses aoe sealing and random agro'ing now means 1 thing and 1 thing only. Instead of going in with 1ep and 5 5/sec DD's and doing a full nirvana in 10minutes, it now takes 4 5/sec DD's and 2 clerics 13minutes.. GG...
So now we're back to grinding and hh'ing for money. but with less and less people playing with every idiotic patch you come out with. Who's going to buy anything? Congratz on killing off your brand name.
Oh btw, the new font & grx resolution is making alot of people pissed off/rage quit from getting headaches. Stop ruining a good thing and stop effectively harrassing people into charging zen. I'm waiting for the day when I see Perfect World Entertainment in the news being sued for harrassment &/or breaking trade descriptions act. When you market a game as 'The first truely free mmorpg' and then go and force anyone that wants to play and get anywhere into cash shopping. That's False Advertising...
I'm just saying, have fun in court. b:bye0
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