[Discussion of Territory War Changes 8-5-10]
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frankieraye wrote: »It's a valid point, but still, 500M+ coins going into the server every week as TW payouts surely had an effect on the economy, don't you agree?
NOT. CQ took over the map im sure gold prices didnt go up becuz of that <_<;; Also just readin this thread again so iknow its super late (:0 -
Wandera - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ooh so every time PWI sell a pack they automatically inject the inflated coin price in coins yes?? For every 2 tokens of best luck they sell the secretly inject into peoples coin account 10 million coins.
Where to the coins come from? Did you read my entire post? PWI does not drop coins onto the server for people to come across. They do not say ooh look well sold 10000 packs today so we better drop 10000 pack inflated prices in coins on the server so people can by them.
Where do these inflated coins come from they do bot just appear in some one bank account so they can go buy the packs.
Or is that what you saying? That PWI suddenly injects in game coins into peoples accounts so they can buy the packs......
Not since day one TW pay across the board as slowly but surely been building so when there is a new release like pack people had accumulated the coins form TW and they where willing to pay the price
I do not know the figures of how much of coinage from TW pay is going off the server. I do not the 47 territories produces a minimum of 560 million coins per week onto the server
If after 1 week 500 million of those coins remain on the server and have not disappeared of the server through the likes of npc purchases and bh fee the week there will 100 million coins floating around the server swopping hands
If 500 million coins remain on the server each week from TW after 1 year there would be 26000,000,000 coins on the server.
How long did TW run before the tokens where released?
Where do these coins come form it is not from TW pay out. Are you suggesting that PWI are sceretly funding the buys behind your back?
Trade in 2 tokens of best lucks into the PWI Boutique Agent for an instantaneous 10 million coins.
x3141592654 people who've gotten them over the whole duration of pack sales
That's a lot of coin.
You're still missing the most obvious evidence. Prices were not inflated pre-packs era. Gold charms were what? Stable at 400k for the most part? Gold was around 100k? This is near the end when CQ nearly owned the whole map too. Prices didn't inflate.
Right when anniversary packs were introduced, gold spiked higher than 400k. Charms skyrocketed to like 2m. Hyper inflation.
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"Lets wait a while and see how this affects PWI" - FrankieRaye (Para-phrased)
You are only saying this because ACTUALLY you have no power whatsoever over content, You are probably just as dis-pleased as us about this change but you cant help it, so you're in damage control mode, you're thinking "****, Bells and Buckets of blood! I've gotta stop people leaving the game! Holy fudge! What are my employers going to think when they see I cant control the forums!"
To be honest, I feel sorry for you, but I think you should tell the truth, just say whats true "Ok guys, we got a bad deal here, I can't control it at all, if you want to leave, go ahead, because its not going to get better... but I hope you'll stick with us because we do need you"
At least that would be the honest and fair thing to do, but your employers wouldn't be happy, they pay you to give us lip-service, I just wish theyd empower you with some more authority and maybe listen to you when you tell them (and I'm sure you are telling them) to remove the changes to TW.
I hope you read this, Frankie. b:chuckle
Don't let this get on top of you but, come on, try a little harder to tell them to change it back, who knows, maybe they'll actually listen to you. Its a lot harder than removing an item from boutique (Perfect horns) but PERHAPS it can be done, You just need to stop trying to silence the customers by telling us to wait, we have an opinion and it should be heard by the big bosses, not blocked by the GMs and Mods.0 -
Wandera - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ooh so every time PWI sell a pack they automatically inject the inflated coin price in coins yes?? For every 2 tokens of best luck they sell the secretly inject into peoples coin account 10 million coins.
Where to the coins come from? Did you read my entire post? PWI does not drop coins onto the server for people to come across. They do not say ooh look well sold 10000 packs today so we better drop 10000 pack inflated prices in coins on the server so people can by them.
Where do these inflated coins come from they do not just appear in someones bank account so they can go buy the packs.
Or is that what you saying? That PWI suddenly injects in game coins into peoples accounts so they can buy the packs......
No since day one TW pay across the board as slowly but surely been building so when there is a new release like packs people had accumulated the coins form TW and they where willing to pay the price
I do not know the figures of how much of coinage from TW pay is going off the server. I do know that 47 territories produces a minimum of 560 million coins per week onto the server
If after 1 week 500 million of those coins remain on the server and have not disappeared of the server through the likes of npc purchases and bh fee then week 2 there will be 100 million coins floating around the server swopping hands
If 500 million coins remain on the server each week from TW after 1 year there would be 26000,000,000 coins on the server.
How long did TW run before the tokens where released?
Where do these coins come form it is not from TW pay out. Are you suggesting that PWI are sceretly funding the buys behind your back?
That is why there are coin sinks in the game, such as AH fees.
Until recently farming and NPCing DQ was a good source of coin. Cube of Fate also gives out its share of coin, although for some people it is a coin sink instead. There are a number of ways to earn coin from the game and just as many to sink them. TW pay did not unbalance the game before packs and it won't after packs.
Waiting 2 weeks? Most who want to quit will be gone by then.0 -
Krisnda - Lost City wrote: »Perfect Horns?
1. People only complained about those blasted horns because it was worse then the Duke spamming.
2. Even if you wouldn't of gotten rid of those (which tbh i thought you guys wouldn't of.) they didn't really affect the game, (other then spamming) while this whole system has screwed Perfect World into a hole that it will most likely never get out of. Now i'm not going to sit up here and say "oh they ruined the game, i quit" because i for one like this game and wouldn't quit so easily (i've even thought about being a mod to try and help more.), but come on, first the packs, then the "hidden packs", then the Jones blessings that people complain about, then the multitude of bugs that have never/will most likely never be fixed, the dq prices, and what ever else anyone wants to through in there, my point is that if this game was something that was cared about, then when people start complaining about how the people are not being listened to, you wouldn't go and say "Perfect Horns." and think that that 1 thing that you guys (the gms, the devs, whoever) have done right amounts for the huge pile of **** that has been thrown on the players thus far.
You know, if there's one thing that i have learned from playing this game and being on forums and such, is that when people complain its like a tree in the woods, if you are out of the woods and the tree falls, do you hear it? No, no you do not, it just stays on the ground and is forgotten about...
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Well said Kris, that made my day. b:victory
Like what you said that 1 thing means nothing if you have a TON of other issues that are even worst than that haven't been dealt with for months since it first came out.
What also surprising is that they give NO warning about the change in the TW and UI. At least people won't be as upset as now if you GM's/Dev's would gave a warning about this patch coming out. Then after the patch they said that they are going to wait a month until they say they are going to change something or not witch is most likely enough time for people to stop QQing and then like most other issues and it will get forgotten. Like the DQ prices you GM/Devs say that you are going to fix this issue and after months what happened...? nothing that what happened like the LONG list bugs that are yet to be fixed.
I'm not QQing or quiting the game over game about this patch. (Even tho I know this will happen sooner or later) I just want to know why GMs/Devs are not doing anything to fix the problems to make the player base happy. As you see now you are losing stocks just because of not listening and caring about the players and just adding more and more packs into the game witch are the main cause of the high gold prices.
But all I have to say about PWI is this game had potential to be the best F2P game ever and you guys throw it all away all because you don't care about the players, that's why I don't think there's any point of have the Suggestion Box Thread anymore since none of you GMs/Devs even care to look at it and use any of the ideas players posted.
So please of people of PWI do something about these issues before PWI dies. b:surrender
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From my point of view, TW pay is hardly anything. Put it this way, you spend money on bidding, towers, cata scrolls, potions repairs and ammo. These ALL have to be done via a NPC, which means it costs coins, not gold to do. This takes almost half of the money away immediately.
However, opening packs does not need any of the things I just listed above, it's 10m injected into the game. You say TW injects 530m a week, it doesn't, I would say it pumps at most 300m into the game each week.
From a player of a fairly small TW faction on RT (Resolve), I would say that the new changes have a definite impact on use, we can no longer to really afford to bid on our enemies as the return is minimal, I worked out that each player would end up with 3-5 mirages each, or at most 60k, a quarter of what we used to get.0 -
Aryannamage wrote: »Keep it in a normal size please. It hurts to read it. As you edited them back to the prior size NightRage I moved to admin forum.
Thats how the new chats affecting me. IJS TBH IMO. N im pretty sure HALF the servers agree with me (:0 -
Wolfiepochie - Lost City wrote: »NOT. CQ took over the map im sure gold prices didnt go up becuz of that <_<;; Also just readin this thread again so iknow its super late (:Pattoe - Raging Tide wrote: »"Lets wait a while and see how this affects PWI" - FrankieRaye (Para-phrased)
You are only saying this because ACTUALLY you have no power whatsoever over content, You are probably just as dis-pleased as us about this change but you cant help it, so you're in damage control mode, you're thinking "****, Bells and Buckets of blood! I've gotta stop people leaving the game! Holy fudge! What are my employers going to think when they see I cant control the forums!"
To be honest, I feel sorry for you, but I think you should tell the truth, just say whats true "Ok guys, we got a bad deal here, I can't control it at all, if you want to leave, go ahead, because its not going to get better... but I hope you'll stick with us because we do need you"
At least that would be the honest and fair thing to do, but your employers wouldn't be happy, they pay you to give us lip-service, I just wish theyd empower you with some more authority and maybe listen to you when you tell them (and I'm sure you are telling them) to remove the changes to TW.
I hope you read this, Frankie. b:chuckle
Don't let this get on top of you but, come on, try a little harder to tell them to change it back, who knows, maybe they'll actually listen to you. Its a lot harder than removing an item from boutique (Perfect horns) but PERHAPS it can be done, You just need to stop trying to silence the customers by telling us to wait, we have an opinion and it should be heard by the big bosses, not blocked by the GMs and Mods.
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Pattoe - Raging Tide wrote: »"Lets wait a while and see how this affects PWI" - FrankieRaye (Para-phrased)
You are only saying this because ACTUALLY you have no power whatsoever over content, You are probably just as dis-pleased as us about this change but you cant help it, so you're in damage control mode, you're thinking "****, Bells and Buckets of blood! I've gotta stop people leaving the game! Holy fudge! What are my employers going to think when they see I cant control the forums!"
To be honest, I feel sorry for you, but I think you should tell the truth, just say whats true "Ok guys, we got a bad deal here, I can't control it at all, if you want to leave, go ahead, because its not going to get better... but I hope you'll stick with us because we do need you"
At least that would be the honest and fair thing to do, but your employers wouldn't be happy, they pay you to give us lip-service, I just wish theyd empower you with some more authority and maybe listen to you when you tell them (and I'm sure you are telling them) to remove the changes to TW.
I hope you read this, Frankie. b:chuckle
Don't let this get on top of you but, come on, try a little harder to tell them to change it back, who knows, maybe they'll actually listen to you. Its a lot harder than removing an item from boutique (Perfect horns) but PERHAPS it can be done, You just need to stop trying to silence the customers by telling us to wait, we have an opinion and it should be heard by the big bosses, not blocked by the GMs and Mods.
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Also DQ items price nerfed (never get promised satisfaction)
Also Decomposing nerfed (never get promised satisfaction)
Also TW nerfed
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crunchycat wrote: »
You were close but not quite there. What I am saying is that if a powerful authority figure pushes a Chinese guy down then he will be pissed off and will say "well, I guess I'll just have to deal with this". The reason is because if he takes action then he may be punished or killed (just like the Government massacre of Chinese protesters 1989 -Tiananmen Square-).
I think you're missing point so I'll paraphrase it another way. PWI just made a move on U.S. servers that is **** players. PWI always rolls out the Change in China before the U.S. and they obviously got away with it. Pointing out the cultural differences involved shows how this probably came about; however, that's really not the important issue is it? The change is here. It's really really bad and it shows a strong intent of the company to **** it's players over. So the question becomes. What are you going to do about it?
Yeah, they might be punished. BY THE GOVERNMENT. You think that means the Chinese bend over backwards for every McDonald's manager and for PWI? Get real. Where in Chinese culture do they get punished for complaining that someone forgot to put cheese on their burger or that they don't like the new patch on their MMO? You're taking ONE cultural aspect in relation to how the chinese people are treated by the government and you're expanding it to all authority figures.
Furthermore, the way you're describing it all makes you sound like you think PWI conciously thought "ok this is a **** update but it's ok cause it's the chinese we're dealing with. They won't do jack." You're also implying this is a special case involving the chinese.
No, I'll tell you what this is: it's too expensive (or more expensive than they'd like it to be) to hire devs for both China AND the US. Simple. As. That. To cut costs, they assume that whatever problems and whatever demands come up in China will eventually pop up in the US too. It's easier for them because there's less expenses, less changes to monitor and they can just copy & paste everything over. That's how ALL MMO's run. This has nothing to do with the Chinese simply allowing it to happen and we can change it all just by standing up for ourselves when the Chinese didn't: it's more to do with the Chinese either finding this change more appropriate because their servers run differently OR the devs insisting on this change because the Chinese had been exploiting the last system again. Last MMO I played was from South Korea and they did the same damn thing. You think it's because the Koreans are "easy to walk all over," too? Hell no, I'll bet you $50 that a lot of the Chinese were just as unhappy and outspoken on this issue as we are.
I'm sorry, but I find your way of thinking incredibly ignorant and lazy. You hear one story about human rights in China and how the government oppresses them and suddenly you talk like the chinese are ALWAYS ok with being oppressed, whether it's the government or Starbucks or the neighbor's 4-year-old daughter doing the oppressing.
And for the record, no, they're not gonna listen to your complaints. If you haven't figured out by now, the devs are in china and they cater to the Chinese public. The only thing that will get the devs to listen and change this update is if the stocks continue to fall as a direct result of this.I
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Wolfiepochie - Lost City wrote: »Thats how the new chats affecting me. IJS TBH IMO. N im pretty sure HALF the servers agree with me (:
the chat made my eye strain worse, gives me a head ache and upset0 -
May I ask this:
Is this Perfect World International or PW-CN-EN?0 -
I can only responed so fast. Question where did the money to buy the taokes out of cats shops come from since you think every single coin for TW pay out magical disappers into thin air.
I would hate to be the cat shop seeling charm to find the coins aoid for them had magically vanisehed.
As for costs of running tw every one is say it costs more that the pay out?
Wow i only see 4 or 5 tw on heavens tear a week and most of them r over in under 5 mins so you telling for 5 to 10 mins of TWing its cost the 4 or 5 factions over 560 Millions coins
Even if half the coins disapperd off the server the sa0 -
MessaX - Archosaur wrote: »the chat made my eye strain worse, gives me a head ache and upset
psh the genie menu n genie infuse exp menu are worse than chat imo b:cry[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
indeed my friend u are an imbecile PLZ read carefull b4 u post cuz no1 said thatWandera - Heavens Tear wrote: »I can only responed so fast. Question where did the money to buy the taokes out of cats shops come from since you think every single coin for TW pay out magical disappers into thin air.
I would hate to be the cat shop seeling charm to find the coins aoid for them had magically vanisehed.
As for costs of running tw every one is say it costs more that the pay out?
Wow i only see 4 or 5 tw on heavens tear a week and most of them r over in under 5 mins so you telling for 5 to 10 mins of TWing its cost the 4 or 5 factions over 560 Millions coins
Even if half the coins disapperd off the server the sa0 -
Calm down, no need to press reply before you are done posting....
No one said TW costs more than its returns for a big guild. Everyone is trying to tell you that you need to stop QQing about the amount of coin land injects into the economy because it is insignificant compared to OTHER ways of doing it. And for the last time, inflation is NOT caused by guild money. It was proven by ACTUAL STATISTICS in the past.0 -
Btw, a member of my faction had to log out after 20 minutes because the new UI gave her a severe migraine. Congratulations, PWI is now a major health and safety hazard!0
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Pattoe - Raging Tide wrote: »Btw, a member of my faction had to log out after 20 minutes because the new UI gave her a severe migraine. Congratulations, PWI is now a major health and safety hazard!
LAWL!!, i hope she feels better thob:shocked0 -
Oh so heaven's tear has short TWs, this is now justified for all servers.Wandera - Heavens Tear wrote: »I can only responed so fast. Question where did the money to buy the taokes out of cats shops come from since you think every single coin for TW pay out magical disappers into thin air.
I would hate to be the cat shop seeling charm to find the coins aoid for them had magically vanisehed.
As for costs of running tw every one is say it costs more that the pay out?
Wow i only see 4 or 5 tw on heavens tear a week and most of them r over in under 5 mins so you telling for 5 to 10 mins of TWing its cost the 4 or 5 factions over 560 Millions coins
Even if half the coins disapperd off the server the sa
Raging Tide has 2 TWs a week that least 3 hours between 2 guilds. Ever weekend I am in TW for SIX HOURS from those 2 wars alone.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Pattoe - Raging Tide wrote: »Btw, a member of my faction had to log out after 20 minutes because the new UI gave her a severe migraine. Congratulations, PWI is now a major health and safety hazard!
I hope the fools who are charging zhen suffer the same fate and realize their stupidity in supporting a game that now fails to keep their customers HEALTHY0 -
Why can I not delete my second post?0
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MessaX - Archosaur wrote: »indeed my friend u are an imbecile PLZ read carefull b4 u post cuz no1 said that
wow I am a what? Are you calling a stranger. on a forum. A person whose mental acumen is well below par. A person of moderate to severe mental retardation?
Oh dear reduced to name calling . shame on you.
Do have an arguement that can poke holes in my opinion?0 -
Elayne - Lost City wrote: »Your recent TW changes remove the benefit of owning land. I know for a major TW faction we spend huge amounts of money both in-game coin and ZEN for our wars each week. You want to remove the reward which makes all of that worthwhile and you think we'll continue to do TW? You've got to be kidding.
You destroyed World PK with the implementation of Bounty Hunters which removed the need for people to grind on the world map. Okay, we lived with this. But Mirage Stones as a reward for TW? 150 Mirages for a level 3 land...that's what 3 BH rewards? Let's see I can do 1 BH everyday so that's 7/week. That's a potential 350 mirages from BH and I get 150/200/300 for 1 land each week. You have no sense of what actually goes on in this game.
Personally, I am sick and tired of changes being implemented on this game with no thought on how it impacts the dynamic of how the game works. Just because the Chinese servers are messed up doesn't mean you have to break what is working here. Yes, TW has its problems with people who fake bid, but overall the system worked and it was worthwhile to invest time and money into it. Your recent change is going to destroy this.
If you think smaller factions will TW because of these changes you're sadly mistaken as well. Smaller factions will be hurt by this more than the larger factions will. Larger factions can afford to TW without charms and still destroy the smaller factions. The poor will get poorer and your server will die. You *may* recover as the people who currently don't do TW get into it, but you will lose a HUGE portion of your cash shopping core who pay for this server.
I agree 100%. If changes aren't made, I guarantee that I WILL NOT be putting any more of my hard earned cash into this game. I WILL NOT be bidding on TW. The only reason I can see to continue playing is to talk to my friends, which I can do for free in numerous other online venues. My one last hope, prior to this update, was to go to TW at least once. Now that hope is gone.0 -
Wandera - Heavens Tear wrote: »wow I am a what? Are you calling a stranger. on a forum. A person whose mental acumen is well below par. A person of moderate to severe mental retardation?
Oh dear reduced to name calling . shame on you.
Do have an arguement that can poke holes in my opinion?
clearly u are blind also scroll up and read ^^0 -
Migraine? Seizure? Really?
People used to say pokemon was one of the reasons kids had seizures.Rlly?
I believe it is the mount of hours a day people stare to a monitor / screen.
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Wandera - Heavens Tear wrote: »Wow i only see 4 or 5 tw on heavens tear a week and most of them r over in under 5 mins so you telling for 5 to 10 mins of TWing its cost the 4 or 5 factions over 560 Millions coins
I will be so TW-starved I will PK silly little archers who couldn't figure out how to read and do math. Yes I am an HT player. Enrage too. Fear my ****-ness.0 -
i think the changes good...
Go look at PW-MY-EN...
See how bad the economy is there.. there is so much coin in game, items are sold for crazy high prices... Gold for cash shop items, can only be bought via items from other players shouted in world shout.. at a price starting at 1.5m each...
It is an older server than any of PWI's... and u can see the drastic effects not having proper coin sinks have caused.
TW is pretty much dead there, fake bidding over-rules the map, with first bids of 200m coin...
So before everyone goes off pouting.. seriously... go check out PW-MY-EN and see how messed up that server is.
These changes will only help stabilize the economy, and keep the servers from dying in a year or two.
b:victoryb:victory
Let me add in:
Too many players rely on salary to support themselves in game. What happens however, is that the price of charms, mats, gears etc.. all start to go up-up-up... and what happens with salary? It stays the same.. and in the end.. the amount of salary you get, wont be very helpful to supporting your character at all... Thus making people quit, because.. they have no other source of income.. and can no longer afford the "day to day" things you need to play.
more coin in game... more inflation... the people that will be rich.. will be the people that dont rely on TW salary... the people that will be poor.. will be the TW salary suppored players.
^______________^ Ok, Im not mad about that anyways but that cleared and helped me understand the issue alot more
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Leave the personal insults out of this thread guys.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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srry ary ppl liek that who dont read and post **** me offb:laugh0
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I support the change to TW. Why give money for a war? But some improvements could be to take the money out of TW entirely... make it so any faction can bid based on nothing.... b:laugh0
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