Tao

Disarmonia_X - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Disclaimer: FYI, It's always easy to point the finger - when things are said and done. But: Before pointing fingers, maybe you should think and actually listen/pay attention.
Also: Raw, this post is for you.

Okay, Where do I start...
I think this post as been well over-due: But honestly, Raw. Come-on.
Tao, as it stands: is and will be dead in the water. There was not a single person that I know of in Tao, that could Lead it - back to it's prestigious way. This has been a on-going infliction I've been thinking about for a month and a half at least.

Jes, living in the past gets no one ANYWHERE. The desire of the senior members of Tao wanting to keep Tao the way it was, or close to it, is what helped kill Tao. There was almost no initiative to allow Tao to evolve beyond the ideologies of what it once was.

The reason I Left the vent, was because: No matter what I said - what was the point? You wouldn't of heard a single Word. You where too busy throwing obscenities, and verbal insults. Then, after all that: you TOLD ME to PASS YOU LEAD, and G.T.F.O. of YOUR faction. (That isn't like the Tao Doctrine) You don't have a respectful and decent bone in your body. That's another reason: Most of the 'Original-Core' left as well.

Since when did this become all about Raw? Respect is earned, it's not something that is freely handed out. You disrespected 100+ people by not talking to the guild and asking what the guild, Tao, wanted to do.

Back to the Leading part: If I had passed You, or your Wife Lead... I knew Tao would be dead - and disrespected greater.

And why was my name brought up here? I told you I didn't want to lead Tao, that was never even up for consideration. The BIGGEST thing that I have ever wanted you to do as leader, was to enforce the rules that Tao was formed on, to hold to what you said you were going to do, and give Tao the change you promised us all when you assumed lead...none of which did you hold up to.

Raw, no matter what: Even if you had got Lead, will never be yours. Your the reason Tao was started. (As noticed by Rocky's old forum siggy) But, like a bunch of fools - we let you join, none-the-less. I didn't know how you acted - Nor did I use common sense and look deeper, I just went with the old Tao Policy, of giving everyone a fair chance.
Tao was not formed solely because of Raw, a simple signature image can't tell you that. Unless you were there, then you'd have no idea why Tao was formed. Tao was formed because Edya, and her clique, didn't want to uphold themselves to the guild vote. Radiance, as a guild, voted for Edya to be lead and Raw as director. She, as well as her clique, refused to honor the guild's request.

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My Reasons...

Section A: Tao Doctrine.

1) Respect: Was gone, within the faction. If you only knew how much you helped to kill it, and how many you drove away through your rash speaking, and lashing out about petty things - Non-TW related.

What about those that you, as well as the rest of the officer staff, drove away from the lack of actions taken? You promised action and you gave none, and failure to uphold to your word is not respectful as well. Like I've said before, people were allowed to break the doctrine repeatedly, not just Raw, and got NO punishment for it. Hell, biscuit told scarlet to go shoot herself and he was allowed to remain...

2) Loyalty: as it stood, was gone. Some people would not show to war when it counts. Come-on! Defending 3 Lands with 5x/6x people? I was kicking people, as the attendance was given - through your Wife giving me the list of Tao In-actives to war.

Would you honestly have done that if I didn't provide the list to you? I highly doubt it, I think you'd keep inactives there just so the guild would appear fuller, to make the situation seem less than what it was. Sweeping dirt under a rug doesn't make it go away, it's still there.

4) Reputation: What Reputation did we honestly have? Most of the reputation we had gained was from the OLD TAO, and the time we used to own a Mass Majority of the Map (1/2 of the map). The Reputation, as from the server out-look was the Tao Doctrine, (which was - the key fundamental: that got people to join us.) Because we STRIVE'D to be above the rest.

There is that OLD TAO BULLSHYT again. When will you realize that old Tao died when Edya left? It was THAT attitude that helped chase people from Tao. It was THAT attitude that essentially poisoned Tao. The guild rotted from the inside out, and you, as well as the other officers, did LITTLE TO NOTHING to change that. In order for anything to survive, it must adapt and evolve, change with the world around it, else it's doomed to extinction. People in Tao wanted a change and looked to YOU to lead them to it, NOT walk all over them because "old Tao was dead and YOU thought it was for the best."

Section B: As Tao Stood.

1) Recruitment: Yes, we were recruiting numbers, but - only numbers. The mass majority of the people which were joining, and had interests where people with little to NO, T.W. EXP. Lack of Gear, and Drive. Yes, we did get some good people, but 10/15 people. When the Main Core of people that T.W. constantly, wake up early. Come to War Charmed, and ready... Got Burned out. You, of all people should know about this, Raw. You where one that constantly nagged me about it. And So... We where bleeding more, than we were getting in. Recruit 5/6 people, lose 6/7. It has always been -> Take 1 Step, Take 2 Back.

This goes back to the lack of action taken by the leadership team. Charmless TW'ing was allowed to go on for so long that people didn't care anymore, and the effort to limit, if not eliminate it, came too LATE. Honestly, how long did peopel have to nag you about it before you finally gave in and said enough was enough?

2) Inner Drive: It wasn't there. It was with a handful of people, Maybe 10/20 people total Where you could honestly say. That they had the Drive to continue. There was constantly people asking for help, but no one willing to help. You were one of the few. Along with Ararat, Birch - that did help, besides Myself.

If the guild actually FELT that it was being lead, I firmly believe more people would have done more. Yes you were there, but just being there isn't good enough. You needed to LEAD and you didn't.

3) I was always asking for suggestions, and feed-back. I was always trying to make the changes which were needed but, no matter what I did - it was constantly questioned and ripped apart, Even after talking to you hours in advance, one on one. All Faction Meetings - when they would happened: would end up scream-fests, and you and LoR trying to force your opinion on everyone else. It was my wrong-doing: by not kicking you sooner, but I knew you had no-where to go, because you burned all your bridges. You know this as well...

I will admit I can be very vocal with my opinions, and so can he, but we NEVER TRIED TO FORCE ANYTHING ON ANYONE. We noticed what was happening a few days after being brought into Tao, we told you guys this, and begged you to do something before it got too late. The ONLY reason I even accepted an officer position in the first place was because I wanted to try to get some changes going to try to SAVE Tao from crumbling, but every attempt was thrown in my face. I will admit that my methods may be less favorable as compared to others, but the intention was always there. A person will only try to complete a task a specific way for so long and fail every time before they change their methods.

4) More things I did wrong:
- I Tried to give everyone a voice, and to do the best: to make the mass happier - I may of went around somethings, the wrong way but I did my BEST.

No Jes you didn't do your best, you were capable of doing so much more, but didn't.

- I Didn't kick you sooner.

Ok, honestly, to be fair and just as a leader, if you had kicked Raw for failure to maintain the doctrine....would you have kicked EVERYONE who did so as well? There isn't a thing that you can say to persuade me otherwise.

- Due to all the R.L. **** I've gone through lately: MY Grand mother trying to kill herself more-so, Now. Miss-carriages, etc - from all the Stress of R.L. and I.G., from trying to keep Tao going. I wasn't able to lead it 24x7. My Health was becoming a Issue. That's another reason I played with this Wizard you hate so much. I didn't do it to hide, but I tried to find fun in this game. I Made the wizard: to replace the one's which were leaving the Faction. Yes, I ran her in T.W. We may of been low on Clerics, but What can I do? One Cleric wouldn't make or Break anything. Esp when the numbers for Clerics were already so low.

Thus the case and point being, you were there but you weren't there where the guild needed you the MOST. Yes, one cleric would not have made MUCH of a difference, but every bit helps. You had left your cleric in Tao in case it was NEEDED for war, TT, or whatever, but since you passed lead to your wizard, you didn't TW on it.

- Putting my Foot-down: I tried, several-times. It got to the point: Every-time I would try, not even my own Officer's would back me up. There was no one, that could replace the Officer's that were there, because NO ONE WANTED to TAKE THAT ROLL.

I supported you Jes. Again, my methods may not have been favorable, but I was there for you. Yes, I may have argued with you about things, but our intentions were always the SAME. Yes, I may have had my disagreements and voiced ways that things could have been tweaked, but either way, I WAS THERE.

5) After all the griping, and complaining about the Tao Doctrine being too cryptic: and easy to mistranslate. I took the time: To write every single value about it down. I Mailed it to __oOo__; Yourself; and nihillaes, etc. Along with posted it to all the Officer's in Tao. My Own Officer's complained it was too long, and responded with 'tl;dr'. This was after You, your wife, and several Officer's stating what I've already said. You had even told me I should Scarp the Tao Doctrine. Nor, do you understand... SCRAPPING THE TAO DOCTRINE, MEANS SCRAPPING TAO.

Yes, I agree that I said it was too long. But, in the same respect, we wanted it to be something that was short and easy to read so that people would actually read it and not just skim through. I even suggested ways to shorten it down some and still convey the same meaning.

Tao Doctrine = Tao

To Everyone that is still in Tao, I want to say: I'm Sorry.
I know many of you may not of understood me reasons, but hopefully you do now. I Really do miss many of you guys. I do believe my reasons were made justified upon my departure, but a few people's actions. The Names, The Crude Comments - ETC. That honestly showed, Tao - as it stands: Is dead in the water. Tao, isn't Tao. I have done a lot of thinking, and trying to fix Tao's problems: Taking Actions, but until people can actually do the things which are needed for Tao to over-come, and grow. Tao as it stands is Dead. It is only alive, through everyone in Tao. Tao is, You. It's your Actions, and how you handle situations. Tao is how you over-come the Odd's, and have a mutual respect for everyone, even people you do not like. Name-calling, and belittling others: and pointing finger's isn't the way.

I'm Sorry for the Actions, but in all honesty: To give Tao some respect, of whatever is left. It would of been best if we had just restarted Fresh, when Ese/Hoshi did their **** MONTHS ago...

You can't live in the past, doing so is poisonous to your well being and will permeate to those around you. The lack of actions taken, as stated, was one of the driving forces behind the fall of Tao, not just an individual.

And to Crysella... I wish you Luck, and hang in there. I know you can do it - if you try. Tao may have a chance: but please, as I've begged... DONT Forget your Roots... and if it doesn't Work... Take the funds, and restart anew... And allow Tao to retire as respectfully as it Can... With Edya in Lead, She was the founder: and was the only-one, that I know of: that could Lead Tao, the way it was needed.

And if you thoroughly believe this, then why didn't Tao then, start over? Why try to force it to succeed and fail and succeed and fail? Why drag its name through the mud like it was? Why not respect the people of Tao enough to ask them to start over months ago? And above all else, why didn't YOU, the guild's LEADER, enforce the doctrine that was being walked over so much? You, more so than anyone else, know how important it was to people, what it stood for, and how upset several were that the leadership TEAM allowed members of Tao to use it for toilet paper. Why didn't YOU, the LEADER, take the INITIATIVE to make the needed changes before it got too late? You claim that the officers didn't support you and the only reason you didn't demote them was because there was no one to take their place. It doesn't take a whole lot of people to lead a guild, it can be done with just a few as long as they are assertive, outspoken, and strong. I would have helped you with anything you asked me to, if you had of taken the time to actually ASK me. I busted my **** for Tao, tried to give advice where it was due, made suggestions that were disregarded because "it would hurt someone's feelings" or because YOU didn't have the courage to do it. I had no issues with being the bad guy, I would have been the one to enforce the policies, I would have been the one that made sure the everyone was doing their part, but YOU never gave me the permission to do so, and when I took the initiative to try to change something on my own accord, I was told no. So it wasn't a case of you not having ANY officers there that did something, you had a couple. It was a case of allowing them the power to do what was needed to be done.

NuDe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

ok, i read 1 to 15, then i stopped...
Already lost an hour on this.

I just want to say :

To all "old members" who dont wanna see tao like a "fail" TW faction....
pshhhhh, if you care, why you left? If you stayed, tao would have been stronger, etc etc


Tao "will never be like it was"...again, who cares?
It's a game, just a name of a faction. First, tao was an awesome TW faction, then it became pve faction or small tw guild....so what?



Crysella as leader?
naaa it will fail, she doesnt like to see my ****....it cant work !



Tao disappear from the map? Everyone could say that 3 months ago, since Enrage will be the only one on the map...Nothing new there.

The_Wall - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If there was a battle that was lost in Territory Wars your going to have at least a 2 hour meeting after that battle even if that battle lasted 3 hours. You are going to sit there and discuss how you can improve your performance the next battle.

sleepcat wrote: »

I will conclude that DarkFury is a fanatical bigot who continues to believe that TE consists of worthless nonfactors and Enrage alts and nothing anyone says will change his mind. Or maybe he's just a really good troll. :O

Asmodiel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I remember a TW vs tao where we got heavily insulted in our base and being spawnkilled because the TW lasted like...20 min or so max.. (so much for the myth called Tao Doctrine)

But meh, be as hypocrite as you like <.<