GOAL: 60mil, QUESTION: how???? Advise from rich ppl wanted :-3

There are many ways. Stating your level and class is a good start.

Merchanting is a extremely good way to make money.

not knowing ur lvl doesnt help much, lower tts suck and besides dbl killed that market, Nirvana is the way to go atm

im not sure on lunar matts check them out

otherwise merchant, and watch ah those are the real money makers. but you need money to make money there

Our secrets b:cute

Merchanting. Because that really is the only way to go.

Fifteen minutes everyday. Check shops in Arch and see what the market price is for something. Buy low, sell high.

It works.

In a month I have made easily over 200 million.

Right now I'm sitting on about 50 million in items. I just bought my veno her FC weapon, refined it to +3, sharded it with a perfect shard, got Dark Lord for my archer and bought TT mats easily worth up to 20 mil in price in total for my veno's 90 gear. This isn't including smaller purchases and money I just gave or spent on my friends.

You don't even need to buy and sell items, you could just buy and sell gold and get the same affect provided you check every day for fifteen, twenty minutes what the prices are and do a small bit of math to calculate your total spending in comparison to your total profit.

Not hard.

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Merchanting. Because that really is the only way to go.

Fifteen minutes everyday. Check shops in Arch and see what the market price is for something. Buy low, sell high.

It works.

In a month I have made easily over 200 million.

Right now I'm sitting on about 50 million in items. I just bought my veno her FC weapon, refined it to +3, sharded it with a perfect shard, got Dark Lord for my archer and bought TT mats easily worth up to 20 mil in price in total for my veno's 90 gear. This isn't including smaller purchases and money I just gave or spent on my friends.

You don't even need to buy and sell items, you could just buy and sell gold and get the same affect provided you check every day for fifteen, twenty minutes what the prices are and do a small bit of math to calculate your total spending in comparison to your total profit.

Not hard.

Gold Trading

Sale Price = (-1.02 times Buy Price - Profit)/-.98 <-- per gold. substitute Y for Sale Price, X for Buy Price and input how much profit you want to make. Simple 7th grade algebra. b:bye

LOL at above post.

Actually, getting your post edited or removed is not exactly what will happen. Getting your forum accuont banned for a bit is more than likely.

And not all rich people are like that. Don't be so sterotypical. Your personality shown in your post makes you seem worse.

filter circumvention is a bannable offense - FrankieRaye

so this discussion above needs to end.

And Merchanting is not at all as easy as people are saying.

well I've been trying to save money too.....without succes -__-'' everytime I grind or farm or do tt i have to repair my gear and there goes my money again.....

Aelric - Lost City wrote: »

Now thats realistic. same goes for me. the people who say that they make millions a day have a ton of money to start out with and are very high level and have multiple computers that can run all day selling

It's easier to make money when you already have a ton and can just go out and kill mobs for 10x as much per drop than lower levels

I call BS.

1) I started out with one million coins that I grinded on my veno in a three day grace period, average grinding speed. As I just said, from that one million that I grinded out on a venomancer without doing any merchanting I now have over fifty million in assets and just spent roughly fifty million as well.

2) I have one machine. It cannot be left on all day. I do not have a separate account or computer, meaning if I get stuck sitting in a cat shop, that is where I will be until I do something else.

3) My veno was easily bringing in at least one million every five days at most through her grinding since level 50 (factoring in the DQ nerf only happened a couple of months ago and she was 7x by this point, however.

No, it's not hard to do. You're just lazy or you aren't saving your money properly.

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I call BS.

1) I started out with one million coins that I grinded on my veno in a three day grace period, average grinding speed. As I just said, from that one million that I grinded out on a venomancer without doing any merchanting I now have over fifty million in assets and just spent roughly fifty million as well.

2) I have one machine. It cannot be left on all day. I do not have a separate account or computer, meaning if I get stuck sitting in a cat shop, that is where I will be until I do something else.

3) My veno was easily bringing in at least one million every five days at most through her grinding since level 50 (factoring in the DQ nerf only happened a couple of months ago and she was 7x by this point, however.

No, it's not hard to do. You're just lazy or you aren't saving your money properly.

Venos have almost no cost at all to use. Clerics on the other hand do. so theres one problem I got.

I started with 500k and I'm at 4m but all I've done is gold trade once a day and since I can't monitor the prices and things like the packs getting removed and gold prices dropping without enough warning for me to get on, I lose more money than I make.

I know you won't be willing to tell, but you still aren't answering the huge question of how you turned that 1m to 50m, you say merchanting, but what? 1m can not buy you anything for the CS so obviously you aren't merchanting anything big like mounts and flights, possibly some fashion but merchanting fashion is too risky. So you must be doing something cheaper.

If you only have one computer to use I'm guessing you make most of your money from the AH, so maybe you just buy completely random things and resale at a higher price, but unless you know that market perfectly and can track how much an item has been worth over time, you must just take complete control by buying all of one item and selling it all at a higher price

Aelric - Lost City wrote: »

Stuff

-claps- Why do you think people make venomancer alts?

As far as solo grinding goes from early to late levels, venomancers are awesome. They do not cost much to keep going, if you can manage to get a Herc (yes, I also merchanted and gold traded up a Herc for my veno and have already made back that money) then you can easily be grinding 2 million every few days. That's basic physics. If you want to make money that badly? Level a veno. It's not even that hard to level any more so you can't complain about taking five months to level the veno to a point she can grind easily.

There are also instances that clerics can AoE grind I hear, although you would have to ask a cleric for more details because I have not gotten my own cleric alt to a level at which she grinds. (Nor will she need to.)

That one million turned into ten million by buying and selling gold.

Step one: Get a notebook.
Step two: Have columns for buying and selling and note the prices. There are small but noticeable fluctuations of price that you can use to your advantage and use to maximise your profit.
Step three: If there happens to be a sale, take note of how the gold prices are effected and what the sale was. Take note and remember it for the future.
Step four: Buy and sell, and if you're like me, write down what you buy and for how much (fee included) and what you sell and for how much (silver fee included)

After two weeks of doing this, and only being online for a max of half an hour every day, I had an accurate note of the prices on Dreamweaver for that time period. One million turned into ten.

Then with ten million coins you can either decide to carry on gold trading, which is something you can always do regardless of sales or events I might add (hint hint) or you can decide to try your hand at looking into buying items with that ten million and then selling them for profit.

And to be honest, there's nothing to detail about that. I started off in perfect stones, mirages and other things in typical high demand (but also with a lot of competition.) The more confident I grew, the more I stepped out the comfort zone of "items in real every day demand" and more into "items I may potentially never sell before the price drops."

Example: second set of Dark Lord wings I didn't bother to mention simply because I resold them, however. Made a very easy 3 million profit from that by buying low and then selling high. And I did it at the right time because if I hadn't done it then, by now I'd be losing money on them.

Aelric - Lost City wrote: »

Now thats realistic. same goes for me. the people who say that they make millions a day have a ton of money to start out with and are very high level and have multiple computers that can run all day selling

Well, no, not really. It definitely helps to have more money, but it generally doesn't take that long to get enough.

My low-level alt on Lost City is at 60 million, and he was just a casual experiment. Probably he represents about 3 months worth of actual merchanting, but I took plenty of breaks and neglected him for extended periods.

Starting with absolutely nothing a low-level merchant can earn about 200k per day leaving a single computer running while sleeping/at-work. I use DQ21 and Honey Juice, but there are tons of others that work just as well.

Once you reach about 1.5 million in a week you can move on to buy/sell shops with something like Perfect Stones and start bringing in 500k or so per day. This can generate up to over a million or so per day with experience.

Overall, it takes about a month and a half to get to the point where you've got enough money to effectively trade in anything.

But having said all that, the missing ingredient is knowledge and experience. The PWI economy is huge and it's full of markets that are worthless. Knowing which ones are worth the effort takes time to learn, but they're constantly shifting.

Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »

The Secret:

You have been playing the game from the beginning. From that time if you played your cards right, you should be walking with a few 100 Million in your bank.

I started fairly close to the beginning and have made some huge financial blunders. I missed out on opportunities that I should have known better about.

I played for about 9 months before I finally started understanding the importance of being a serious investor, rather than a spender who was fooling himself into thinking he was being financially wise.

When that change in my thinking finally happened my girlfriend and I had about 10 million to invest. We now have 1.2 billion.

So if you played your cards right from the beginning, you'd probably have at least 8 billion. If you've been here since the beginning and you have less than 4 billion, it's because you, like 99% of us, have played your cards wrong.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

for the OP. No ones gonna really tell u anything that useful. Youll have to find it out yourself cause for pple who merchant, another player following them is a potential rival. They will tell u how much they earn but never how.

Except for HH....but I did share some tips with you few in Sanc b:cuteb:kiss

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

*chirps* moar moar!! :>

Trying a few things this weekend (/facepalm)...I'll let you know how it goes b:pleased