Assassins without Stealth would fail in PK?

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

It's a whole different world when 89+ Sins can demon spark 3 times in a row on you buddy. Just last night, I saw a 99+ Sin drop Jlung charmed when 2 fists BM and one other failed to do so.

well a barb with demon spark can very much take on a a sin his lvl or higher but still gata admit sins are cheep cant even lie thats y i hate them they are loaded with so much stun and barbs only have one

SneakyStalk - Harshlands wrote: »

The answer is yes, they would fail.

For those who say "no ur butthurt and we wouldnt fail"...

try PvPing without stealthing at all.

Yeah, I know you wont, and there goes the answer to ur question.

there you go, end of thread, no sin can beat that point. go back to stealth now b:laugh

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

hey im an assassin without stealth

wer talking about being successful at PvP here

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

When Barb demon/sage spark, I can just sleep, wait, Tackling at range, wait. b:chuckle

We are not loaded with stuns. BM have more b:embarrass.

ok u cant run if u are stuned becuz when am pking a sin higher lvl than my self i stun them then i doble spark which gives me some HP then while they are stun i attack them with doble spark and as soon as my stun kool down wich take about 10 sec i stun agin by that time they are dead lolb:thanks so i kill higher lvl sins without them even touching me heheheheh

and yeah how much stuns do sins have ?

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

It's a whole different world when 89+ Sins can demon spark 3 times in a row on you buddy. Just last night, I saw a 99+ Sin drop Jlung charmed when 2 fists BM and one other failed to do so.

wow...and they said harshlands was dying.....doesn't look like it is for me b:laugh


So it's either that those two fist BMs are not "properly geared" or that sins have become extremely strong....

BTW....can a sin reach 5APS right now? do you know any sins that did reach that?

It is even possible to reach 5 aps without demon spark:
Standard Dagger interval: 0.8
5 Aps: 0.2

So -0.6 needed.. Let's see:

Rank6 or Nirvana Daggers: -0.1
Rank8 chest: -0.1
Lunar Cape: -0.05
Love up and down: -0.05
Nirvana G15 legs: -0.1 (Possible with right modifiers)
TT99 gold LA bracers: -0.1
Set bonus from TT99 LA set (bracers and boots): -0.05
Set bonus from TT99 HA set (neck and belt): -0.05

=-0.6

There you go, 5 aps without spark. You only need rank8 and two nirvana pieces... BUT there is a huge cs sin on Dreamweaver who did it. That persons main is a bm with 20k hp, G15 nirvana axes with advanced zerk, tt100 fists +12 etc... b:surrender

i be honest i think sins above 99 is uncalled for adn there invisble skill shoudl be not used after 99 and all the cash shoppers shoudl have a monthly limit of money htey can spend i know few ppl lost there cars n house over this game i liek sins but pvp demon sins are no fun OH AND HEAVY ARMOR SINS ARE FAIL< sin are made for speed not str so any sin with heavy gear is fail ^^ now archers with heavy gear is sexy o.o ask okemo lollv 100 heavy archer

Juggalobeast - Harshlands wrote: »

I love sins that wont go invisble n sneak up on you they for fun and well mor eof a man in my view o.o like this deityofrain kid has 101 veno and 101 sin and a few other 101's i mean cmon get alife i play this for fun i got a bad reputaion on HL server who cares at end of nigh ti know i do my best help as many peeps as i can so u on harshlands n need help plz pm me

are you saying deityofrain dosn't stealth-triplespark (im confused if u are or not)? he does, ive never seen him not, I was in a pk fight the other day with about 5 sins around. If you use any kind of def skill after the triple spark and come out of stealth they run away as fast as they can, its quite annoying but funny at the same time. if i use force of will they usally holy path away or at least run away untill they can go back into stealth. Its rare to see a sin not run away and stealth after putting 1 force of will on them.


but sins without stealth would not fail in pk, it just wouldn't be super easy for them to pk others like it is now. Sins would have to think about what they were going to do, think about what skills to put on their genie, right now all the sins ive fought stealth-triple spark-auto atack. Its not super bad when one does that, but when they atack u in groups of 2+ it gets difficult to survive.

Reasons why sins wouldn't fail without stealth?
~they gather chi like a ***** gathers stds, they have wayyy to many skills that give them wayyy to much chi
~they have 2 teleports (i know the stun one has a long cooldown though), one even has a stun and other teleports u isntantly 35 meters (farther even then hell distance shrink, 30m)
~Fast auto atack
~can stunlock better then most bms
~dodge 25% of the atacks that hit them (not inculding evasion for meele atacks)
~if u get them to 0hp their skill puts them back at 20%, making it imposable to 1 shot them without perviously getting them to 0hp

with good genie skills, sins can do just as good like any other class in pvp (if not better). And to whoever says sins are more squshy then archers, thats a lie. Archers cannot dodge 25% of the atacks put on them, archers cannot get 20% more hp when someone kills them. Archers do have def skills though, one that goes away in 1 hit, one that reduces dmg by 33% and u can't stun them. But out of just those skills, i would pick what sins have, because what sins have are buffs, and they can keep them on almost all the time.

To address the issue that sins have to be next to their opponets, unlike archers, sins have 2 teleports better then ANY other teleport in the game (they even cost less chi, exept holy distance shrink costs 5 chi less then sins normal teleport), and there is alwase holy path if for some reason they are having trouble. Oh yea, and sins can paralize you for... 15 secs? i think

anyway im not QQing about sins, but i will QQ to the sins that stealth-triple spark atack me and then turn invisable when i look at them

This poll is stupid. I voted "No" because that's what I think of this issue: they are ok without stealth as well, not weak. They've got insta-teleport abilities that reach further than psys or mages, immune to stuns, bloodpaint, effective stun locks, criticals and deaden nerves, and almost infinite chi supply for continuous sparking. Stealth is NOT the thing that makes them tricky to fight against.

The thing is, the "they are still overpowered" is the **** I'm NOT agreeing with. So, I vote "No", but without the extra **** after the comma. b:surrender

Overpowered a bit maybe... although I can't really compare since I play a spellcasting class mainly. (unlike Psychics which I can relate to well)

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

HAHA i beat a bm my lvl in a duel without using stealth! whos fail now? :P

seeing how mire+ 2 spark+ bolt wil outright kill almost any sin on a crit (yes deaden nervs blah blah blah) and locks them in place for the next 5 to eat it to the face

hell skill spam of calams wil drop most

the bm you fought was dumb and thank you for removeing them from he gene pool

also ohidrkb:bye

lulz, please teach me how to stun lock with just 1 stun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

Two actually + genie + (Sleep+Silence= "stun"). Its doable but i don't think we are better stunlockers than BMs.

Also, there were some old school BMs that could keep u stunlocked for over 9000 minutes, but we dont have those anymore cuz people have no idea how to play their class anymore with all that BH, oracles and FC.

Anyway to be honest I really dont see everybodies fear for sins..they so squishy...........