Clerics : stop buffing everybody you find

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have not seen one Raging Tide cleric even post in this thread.

You missed my posts? b:cry

KataVeno - Raging Tide wrote: »

I don't know why you think i will not be happy to read this as it is exactly what i always do.
But again, a forum is better when it comes to discuss. It is made for this.

i just dont see what there is to discuss lol you are right... clerics should pay more attention when they buff people but people live and learn, we are human- we make mistakes lol especially at low levels.

KataVeno - Raging Tide wrote: »

no i don't.

Yes you do sorry but that is the truth

you cannot say that until you know each character i played and for how long.

I don't need to play each class to understand it and that would take like 5 or 10 years to get through all of them at a casual pace.

That is what i do but forums is a good way to discuss of hard things.
The game is really not.

Then keep it there don't bring it here.We heard enough.

Mostly true, although i had already seen a really bad minded high level cleric.

That is on your server not mine.

This is not a question of beeing high level cleric nor being higher level veno.
Absolutely out of concern.

This is to being into question of higher lvl.

Why should not I ? Because you don't want ?
I am sorry but if this thread is pointless for you then don't post.
Contrary to what you seams thinking. There are poeple interested but their replies are among a lot of totally unuseful posts.

That is because you made this thread.

Your thought. I am the proof there are poeple who doesn't agree with this.

That is just you being you.

I am somewhat exhausted to reply each time someone come here to tell my thread is pointless and that i should go away. But i still continue.
Why ?
Because this thread is not for them.

That is becasue you haven't done enough research on the matter this has even been discussed in General Discussion as you haven't been here long enough.

I had just posted the forum's definition and told it was not my intentions and you still say it is ?
Must i restart doing a communication lesson ?
If i say i am not trolling then i am not.
If you think it is, the problem is not me or you but a misunderstanding between us.
Half fault for each one.

I am not even going to bother dealing with this.

Let see 10 posts possibly only in the Cleric forum none in the Veno forum and you are recently new to this board.Yeap except for 2.http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/search.php?searchid=29406792

You didn't do a well enough search

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=269302&highlight=Clerics+buffing

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=193222&highlight=Clerics+buffing

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=163502&highlight=Clerics+buffing

Like I said it has been discussed to death.

You can look through these aswell as they are in General Discussion.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/search.php?searchid=29410832

You don't revive them you just read them and we know all about this as from those previous threads.I have been posting on gaming boards since 2002 and learned my way around them.We a fully aware of this and doesn't to be repeated again.

KataVeno - Raging Tide wrote: »

Look, if you don't understand, fine.
But if you have nothing to say in either way then get away, this thread is not for you.

Well yes, I do understand.

I understand you feel kind of frustrated and you thought "geez, it's so boring,hey, why not pick on the clerics, it's fun in game and in the forums"

so you come in here and start a stupid thread.

You knew very well you were starting a flame war. And in that, you are wrong.

Some people had some good points to put but your spams don't help the thread.
Again, if you disagre and don't want to argue then post nothing.

Very true, but what did you reply to the people with the good points? Stupid fallacies is all you can offer, not even logic arguments.

This is a warning. The first and the last.
Forums have rules, you have to respect that, even if you don't respect other's thought.

A warning? of what???You speak like a 10-year old. I've followed this thread and you are getting more and more ridiculous.

Know that it is you breaking the rules: you're supposed to be over 13 to play this game and to post in here.

Now go run to your mama, she's got warm milk and cookies for you. And tomorrow, start learning how to play your veno properly and leave clerics alone. You're not worth a single buff, heal or rez... good luck.

I read through your entire thread. It is unfortunate that there are so many people who get angry and defensive, but even so, I would disagree with you (without any intended malice) for the following reasons:


1. Asking simply takes too long. Someone is fighting a boss or a group of mobs and you can help. Instead of jumping in and healing, buffing, drawing aggro or damage, you stop to type "need help/buffs/heals/etc.?" and just as you press enter, the person dies. Not all that helpful, and for 99% of the time, the answer would have been "YES!" anyway. This is simply not logical at all. Add to that issues about being heard and/or understood and the suggestion only gets worse.


2. But what about the 1%. Well, I understand because I am one of the 1%-ers myself. I like to fight bosses solo, and if I die, so be it. I will be back in 10 minutes to try again with a new plan of attack. This is how I hone my skills.

But if someone buffed me, or jumped in with a de-buff on the boss or even just healed me, I just accept it. Generally I say thank you and explain what it is I am trying to do. Most understand, some even get excited (a new way to play perhaps) and some get pissed and call me names. But here's the thing: If I am one of the 1%, then it is ME who has to be prepared for the consequences of my style of play. Trying to get people to understand the difference when they cannot is like trying to push a rope or heard cats. You might eventually be successful, but you are just setting yourself up for tons of frustration.


3. There are a lot more issues then just Clerics buffing randomly. As a Barb, I am often berated for taking aggro when someone felt I should not. Knock-back skills (like Slam and Knock-back Arrow) can push bosses or mobs out of the range of other players (which can be disastrous at times). And personally, as a 1%-er, I like being in relatively same level squads, so when someone brings in a level 90+ character at the last minute, I am often tempted to just leave the squad and join a new one. I at least offer them to bring in someone else to replace me (if they really want me, I stay, but it is not my favorite style of play).


So, while I think I understand your point and respect the issue, as I have had to face it myself, I think your suggestion/solution is invalid and the only reasonable alternative is to be patient with those players who do things contrary to your style of play. An explanation is usually enough, and if anyone gets pissed, there is always the Blacklist (which I have even had to use a few times; boy can I tell some stories, but perhaps another time *smile*).

Good Luck!

Are you kidding.
People would complain-about getting helped?
This is why I'm becoming less of helpful person, cause anytime I do anything nice for people I get spat in the face.
I would of been ridiculously thankful if people would of randomly came up to me and helped in any way.
Next time someones about to be toast I'll be sure to let them die wasting the time typing.
"Lykomg, do u want 2 b savedd!?11"
If people are that ungrateful then why should I bother asking in the first place.

This caught me on a angry day. //QQ

KataVeno - Raging Tide wrote: »

I posted this on the cleric forum but now i think this is not just a clerci issue :

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=665332

I would like to see more reactions of players from any class.
Any reaction is fine, i like it

I think its more a matter of knowing the situation. If you see a random guy tanking a boss and his hp is going down hella fast, im not gonna bother typing "sorry do you mind if i heal you".

Ill just save his life and start healing lol...if im in a good mood. I dont think anyone in that situation mind if they get help.

But clerics have to realize that if ress/buff aren't maxed you should always ask first. Its pretty rude if you overwrite someone else's ress/buffs that are maxed. Worse is if you have a low revive and use it on someone. The guy might be lying there waiting for a friend with lvl 10 or 11 ress and just clicks accept and looses loads of exp.

If you see a mp/hp regen icon above someones head you should also always ask. They might be using a pretty costly apothecary pot and celestial guardian seal will overwrite it. They will be rather pissy just like the guy u used lvl 3 revive on b:chuckle.

People grinding in general might not want heals and buffs either. Mainly b/c they dont need it and just wanna focus on grinding and dont really feel like being social. If you start support they have to say "thank you" and stuff. For some people it also feels kinda intruding, if you start following them and healing while their on a exp scroll or something.

So yeah random clerics should ask first in most cases and learn to check what buffs a player has before starting to "help". But if you see someone about to die, i dont think asking is a good idea.

Forget healing. Let the player die, and then use your level 1 res and bring him back to life. b:sin

I hope I did not imply that I was or would ever complain about being helped. That is definitely not my style. But I do see times (happened to me today even) when someone tries to help with the result being somewhat less than desired.

For example: Today I was trying to solo Krixxix and someone came and tried to help me. They were quite concerned when I died, but part of the reason I died was that I was trying to recover from something they did (not complaining, it just happened is all). On the way back (after reviving in Arch) I explained that I was trying to solo him, and the second time they did not help, and made sure no one else helped and I had Krixxix down to 120 points when I died a second time (it was so close, but it was also really exciting!) After doing that, I learned a lot, and I know next time I will likely defeat him. The point is that for some players like myself, living or dying is not what matters. Learning how to better use our skills or just being able to accomplish something is the point, and if we die a few times at the attempts, so what? That is how we learn, and that is how we like to play.

That does not mean I am ungrateful for the help offered when someone does not understand what I am doing. Quite the contrary. The aide usually opens a chance to discuss my intentions and I get to meet new people. People worthy of knowing because they ARE helpful. It is simply a conflict of style or perhaps understanding the different goals. In my example, my EXP was at 0%, so dying cost me nothing even in lost EXP. But this is not something someone else is going to automatically know.

I have rushed in to help many times and been raked over the coals for it. "You just stole my kill!" someone complains. "But you were running away, I thought you were in trouble?" I reply. And then starts the flurry of adolescent (or even juvenile) comments usually rife with foul language and angry terms. Personally, I feel there is no need for this. A simple explanation of your playing style is all that is necessary and I will not interfere with you again. But digressing into accusations and name calling is not helpful at all. And assuming that everyone automatically knows how you play is rather unrealistic as well.

The bottom line is simply to be understanding that not everyone plays the same way you do, and that does not make their desires any better or worse than yours. With thousands of different players in an MMO, finding someone who does not play like everyone else is something I look forward to, and I often am able to learn new things because of their different way of thinking. At least for me, that is how I get the most out of these games.

Good Luck!