Why are people flaming others about light armor like its a curse?

Yulk - Heavens Tear
Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
edited April 2010 in General Discussion
I know, I made 2 threads about this. But yeah, ultra flamed xD. And I don't even have LA on almost all my chars lol. I even made a random team in a TT squad to farm mats, with a bm, veno and another barb ( I was on my barb) and a cleric (LA user).

He was really an LA built cleric, like he claimed. But this BM said "LA clerics fail" I asked her why. She said "because they suck at healing" But the cleric said "LA clerics are better" although he was wrong for that too. But there is advantages and disadvantages to builds people choose. Everyone did fine, but the BM stepped on the land mines and killed himself. And we had to rush through, when the barb saved himself with invoke the spirit skill. That BM said his / her barb died on invoke the spirit. I Loled at the BM.

People say LA is the worst armor ingame. Worst overall defense. And of course archers and sins are light armor because they are forced to. Sure the default armors are good for the classes, but LA seems to be fine so far (I have LA melee fox veno). I do agree its not necessary for barbarians to wear light armor. Simply because of the skills. But its best not to judge people because they would use light armor.
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  • GiantSquidy - Heavens Tear
    GiantSquidy - Heavens Tear Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    yepp LA is pro armor
    especially LA barb LA bm LA venos b:pleasedb:chuckleb:shocked (coughSarcasmCough-.-)
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  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    GiantSquidy - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    yepp LA is pro armor
    especially LA barb LA bm LA venos b:pleasedb:chuckleb:shocked (coughSarcasmCough-.-)
    Yea, LA barbs are almost as good as AA barbs. HA barbs? Pfft.
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  • Kephras - Heavens Tear
    Kephras - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Yulk:
    The core answer is that there is no attack in-game that does "a little bit of phys dmg" and "a little bit of magic dmg."
    LA is jack of all trades armor, which should be pretty obvious but I'll explain anyway. It's inferior in phys-def to HA, and inferior in mag-def to AA. So if you CAN pick one or the other, you're better off doing so. Being LA makes you weaker to both.

    Barring LA-requisite high-dex classes like archer & 'sin, the only reason you'd want LA is for specific instances where you prefer better (arcane/phys) defense, and can't equip the OPPOSITE armor.
    For example, I keep LA on hand for caster-only types like Hercule, or the runners in 79, and it affords me a bit more protection than HA can. If I could, I'd equip AA for those specifically - alas, LA is the best I can manage in that regard.
  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Light armor sucks because it has the worst defences, especially the higher the level. It has the worst HP per refine too, generally making it crappy armor that archers and sins only wear because to wear any other armor would be to nerf their attack, and their best defence is their attack.

    I laugh at LA venos. If you're going to nerf your build as a veno, nerf it and go HA/AA, because that is a far better build than LA by far. The only reason LA build even works for venos in the first place is the increased p.def and accuracy in fox form, meaning that if they're a regular user of fox form, LA gives more benefits than arcane armor does.

    I laugh at LA clerics and wizzies more than I laugh at the LA venos, because they don't even have a form that can make better use of the armor and how **** it is. If you wanted p.def, shard garnets. Wearing LA is stupid; the nerf on your attack that goes into dex is a waste because your attacks will never miss and you aren't supposed to be dodging hits - you aren't meant to be taking them in the first place unless they're magic hits that you can tank.
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  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    light Armor Sucks Because It Has the Worst Defences, Especially The Higher The Level. It Has The Worst Hp Per Refine Too, Generally Making It Crappy Armor That Archers And Sins Only Wear Because To Wear Any Other Armor Would Be To Nerf Their Attack, And their Best Defence is Their Attack.

    I Laugh At La Venos. If You're Going To Nerf Your Build As A Veno, Nerf It And Go Ha/aa, Because That Is A Far Better Build Than La By Far. The Only Reason La Build Even Works For Venos In The First Place Is The Increased P.def And Accuracy In Fox Form, Meaning That If They're A Regular User Of Fox Form, La Gives More Benefits Than Arcane Armor Does.

    I Laugh At La Clerics And Wizzies More Than I Laugh At The La Venos, Because They Don't Even Have A Form That Can Make Better Use Of The Armor And How **** It Is. If You Wanted P.def, Shard Garnets. Wearing La Is Stupid; The Nerf On Your Attack That Goes Into Dex Is A Waste Because Your Attacks Will Never Miss And You Aren't supposed To Be Dodging Hits - You Aren't Meant To Be Taking Them In The First Place Unless They're Magic Hits That You Can Tank.

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  • axt57
    axt57 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I laugh at LA venos. If you're going to nerf your build as a veno, nerf it and go HA/AA, because that is a far better build than LA by far. The only reason LA build even works for venos in the first place is the increased p.def and accuracy in fox form, meaning that if they're a regular user of fox form, LA gives more benefits than arcane armor does.

    My 25% crit would like a word with you.

    Also how does LA refine worse then AA?
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    axt57 wrote: »
    My 25% crit would like a word with you.

    Also how does LA refine worse then AA?

    ... If you didn't know that LA has the worst HP per refine of all three armors, you're a lost cause already. Flash around that 25% crit all you like, because if you don't even know how the armors refine, it really is nothing special.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    axt57 wrote: »
    My 25% crit would like a word with you.

    Also how does LA refine worse then AA?

    If your crits do less damage than nuke builds normal attacks... Check PWDB for refines.
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I laugh at LA clerics and wizzies more than I laugh at the LA venos, because they don't even have a form that can make better use of the armor and how **** it is. If you wanted p.def, shard garnets. Wearing LA is stupid; the nerf on your attack that goes into dex is a waste because your attacks will never miss and you aren't supposed to be dodging hits - you aren't meant to be taking them in the first place unless they're magic hits that you can tank.

    Ever heard of stone shield?
    It's a wizzy skil that doubles phys def, abit like veno fox form. But with stone shield, you don't have to switch to a whole different skil bar (and no, I am a fully garnet sharded arcane, but your explaination still fails)
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  • Araya_Souren - Sanctuary
    Araya_Souren - Sanctuary Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    ... If you didn't know that LA has the worst HP per refine of all three armors, you're a lost cause already. Flash around that 25% crit all you like, because if you don't even know how the armors refine, it really is nothing special.

    o.0 doesn't arcana refine worse
  • Xegeth - Dreamweaver
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If your crits do less damage than nuke builds normal attacks... Check PWDB for refines.

    Sorry, this is just a STUPID rumor. The difference between Pure int damage and LA is by far not that big. There's enough analysis in the wizard board about this issue (I'm still arcane).

    BTW: PWDatabase says arcane refines worse. Maybe LA is the worst armor, no doubt. But check out those rumors and argue properly.
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  • axt57
    axt57 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    ... If you didn't know that LA has the worst HP per refine of all three armors, you're a lost cause already.

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    Pardon me, but might that look like LA gets more HP per refine?

    Well?

    25% crit is a joke. By final endgame, as a LA veno, I hope to have over 35% crit.
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  • Linnkotsu - Sanctuary
    Linnkotsu - Sanctuary Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/my/items/14976 LA 99 chest

    http://www.pwdatabase.com/my/items/14952 AA 99 chest

    On the 2nd tab next to item addons called refine you can see the hp gained per refine for that gear (the values for this in particular are correct). LA refines better, but not by much.
  • Reivi - Sanctuary
    Reivi - Sanctuary Posts: 742 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    ... If you didn't know that LA has the worst HP per refine of all three armors, you're a lost cause already. Flash around that 25% crit all you like, because if you don't even know how the armors refine, it really is nothing special.

    Even if its exceptional .. i will agree for once with AXT

    prime thing= forget all you read about refine capabilities on PWDAtabase.. its completely Bogus

    Second ..some example

    Common equipement. TT 90 armor (lv11)

    refines obtaines at +1, +5, +7, +10

    HA = 40, 230, 398, 892
    AA = 25, 143, 248, 557

    now the crappy LA
    LA = 30, 171, 298, 669

    sure, the refines are the worst EVER !!

    If you re not one Heavy Cash Shopper, forget about high level gems (past lv8/immaculate)

    If you re AA, you ll go all the way for Garnets (at most 24 slots, 24*53 =1272 Phy bonus - the majority of people will only have 15 slots to fill = 795) with a 490 base Phy resist.


    LA 90 base phy resist is 1877 (more than the average joe equipement in AA)

    and 2920 Mag resist (4375 for AA wearer) Seeing it on papers seems ti be a big difference, but if you test it playing, the diference is less than 10% damages (i ve played both long enough ..... )

    Then you can add the ornaments you want to either reinforce mag or phy or whatever you like..

    BTW LA molds are way cheaper than AA or HA
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  • XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary
    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary Posts: 683 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    its because people fear what they dont understand basically. They start giving out false information and throw together builds on pwcalc to try and compare something when they dont even know what to do with a LA build to begin with. I think some of the posts are pure example of this.. crit dmg that does less than arcane normal hits? lol or LA's hp per refine is lower than arcane? lol look at this Airyll person, doesnt have a clue what the heck they are talking about. But, bet some people out there are looking at that and all the other **** people post and think its the truth.
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  • axt57
    axt57 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If your crits do less damage than nuke builds normal attacks... Check PWDB for refines.

    Let me show you:

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    All the hits in red are crits, with me having 25% or so crit.

    I have a +3 NP. Imagine if it was +10.

    Even with a +3 NP, my record crit was about 120k on a HF'd mob.
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »
    its because people fear what they dont understand basically. They start giving out false information and throw together builds on pwcalc to try and compare something when they dont even know what to do with a LA build to begin with. I think some of the posts are pure example of this.. crit dmg that does less than arcane normal hits? lol or LA's hp per refine is lower than arcane? lol look at this Airyll person, doesnt have a clue what the heck they are talking about. But, bet some people out there are looking at that and all the other **** people post and think its the truth.

    More of a clue than you, I'm sure. Being mistaken about one thing does not mean anything I say is invalid.

    LA remains the worst armor in-game. Okay, so it has slightly better HP refines than arcane armor does, and I was mistaken (because good god that 28 HP is a lot, in reference to the screenshots posted earlier. /sarcasm) but this doesn't suddenly make it uber armor.

    It's defences continue to suck regardless. As has been said before it's a jack-of-all-trades armor, meaning that you get less p.def than HA gives, less m.def than AA gives, the HP refine difference between AA and LA is so menial they might as well be the same (because again, 28 HP is not lifesaving. Yeah, it's just 3 HP above an average citrine.) meaning that - yes - it continues to suck.

    As I've already said (look at this HappyBunny person, doesn't have a clue how to read or I wouldn't be saying this again) venomancers are the only arcane class that really even have a chance to benefit from LA. This is because the fox form utilises physical attack, meaning the extra dex that you end up using because you need it for the LA helps with the accuracy you have while in fox. And, if you aren't sharding your AA with garnets, it'll give a bonus to p.def too.
    However, wizards do not have a fox form and clerics do not have a fox form. The points you need to have in dexterity and strength to wear LA are wasted on these classes and would be better put into magic, or hell, even vitality, although vit can be seen as a waste of points too because HP per vit is not great for either class. These classes are never going to miss anyway, so no need for accuracy, and they shouldn't be taking hits in the first place, so the only p.def they need can come from shards.

    LA is still the worst in-game armor, and I stand by opinion that arcane users, espeically non-venos, shouldn't use it, because the potential nerfs to attack in order to wear it aren't worth it when you can probably get better defence if you shard properly.

    -edit- While not completely unreliable, PWDatabase has been proven wrong before. Screenshots work better, and the proof already posted?

    The difference in HP between AA and LA +5 TT90 gear is 28 HP. That's just barely an average shard. It's going to save nobody's life. So, LA refines better, that doesn't actually mean it's refines are worth a **** if you're using it in place of AA.
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If you re AA, you ll go all the way for Garnets (at most 24 slots, 24*53 =1272 Phy bonus - the majority of people will only have 15 slots to fill = 795) with a 490 base Phy resist.

    LA 90 base phy resist is 1877 (more than the average joe equipement in AA)
    FWIW, for the same level armor, the defenses work out as:

    Arcane armor: 100% mdef, 11% pdef = 111% total
    Light armor: 67% mdef, 43% pdef = 110% total
    Heavy: 42% mdef, 100% pdef = 142% total

    So stat considerations and different shard bonuses aside (garnets give slightly more def than sapphires), arcane armor is actually the worst. Worst overall defense (same as light), fewest hp per refine. lowest +pdef or +hp as random bonus (the higher +mdef bonus being rather useless because you only get 1 of the 5). The arcane classes get some sort of pdef boosting skill to compensate for it though (veno fox form, wizard stone barrier, cleric plume shell).

    Aside from light armor not being "the best" at pdef nor mdef, the only disadvantage I can see to it compared to the others is the stat requirement. A heavy armor class focuses on str, so the only points they have to "waste" is 0.5 dex per level to wear heavy armor. Likewise for arcane classes, they have to "waste" 0.5 str per level to wear arcane and wield a magic weapon. But light armor classes have to "waste" 1 str per level to wear light when their damage comes entirely from dex.
  • axt57
    axt57 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    At +12 the nirvana LA armour gets 263HP more than AA a piece - thats 1578HP more unbuffed if you have the entire set +12'd.

    But enough of that.

    I agree that LA might be the worst armour ingame, if only defence wise. However the use of that armour allows (venos) to achieve quite awesome offensive capabilites, provided they take their builds seriously.

    LA is especially decent for veno compared to other classes because both the lack of p.def and m.def can be neglected by: foxform (+p.def) and switching to AA on the fly (+m.def), while keeping your crit bonus.

    Sorry, but I can't stand someone crapping all over my carefully planned, and so far very effective build.
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  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    LA is the worst armor, but I still use it because I am too lazy to get HA and refine again. Also, I don't particularly care if people think it sucks. I'm playing how I want to, now how others want me to. And hey, with account stash, I have a decent set without having to farm+refine another set for my Assassin.
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  • Xegeth - Dreamweaver
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    @Airyll: So when you are wrong, it is just "one little thing". However when someone else is apparently wrong, you say "... If you didn't know that LA has the worst HP per refine of all three armors, you're a lost cause already.". Double standard much?

    Plus you didn't say anything about the doubled pdef by stone barrier (or 120%/150%) and teh additional crit, which helps with dps as well as spike damage which is great for pvp. I still prefer AA, but it is not all that easy.

    A more accurate approach would be for example, that magic hits harder endgame than physical attacks and that it is easier to gain pdef by additional skills, shards, lunar rings and cape and ornaments than mdef. That makes LA lose the edge.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I think people are too lazy and obsessed with EASE of survival to realize the counter balances in LA which is it's higher crit rate, accuracy, and evasion. It also offers a cheap balance of defenses for levels you fly through. Would I use it? -no. I do understand why people would though.
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    However, wizards do not have a fox form and clerics do not have a fox form. The points you need to have in dexterity and strength to wear LA are wasted on these classes and would be better put into magic
    As has been mentioned, wizzies get stone barrier. 100% extra earth def and pdef at level 10 for 15 min. Sage version bumps it up to 120%, Demon version to 150% pdef. A little less than fox form, but the wizard only loses access to two skills with it up (the fire def/hp regen and water def/mp regen skills, so no biggie).

    I think people make too big a deal about "wasted" stat points. Take a typical arcane build at level 90. Say, the weapon gives 900 mag attack after shard and refines, and each ring gives +100 mag attack for a total 1100 weapon attack. If their build is 4 mag 0.5 str 0.5 vit per level, they'll have 360 mag. Call it 400 after equipment bonuses.

    Overall m.atk is then (1 + mag/100) * (equip mag attack + lvl)

    So if you add 1 mag, your improvement to m.atk is

    (1 + 401/100) / (1 + 400/100) = 1.002 = 0.2%

    How much equip mag attack would you need to yield the same improvement?

    (equip mag attack + increase + lvl) / (equip mag attack + lvl) = 1.002
    increase = 2.38

    So basically, adding +1 mag is equivalent to adding +2.38 equipment magic attack on your ring. Which is easier to find: a ring with +48 magic attack, or a ring with +20 mag? Or refining a level 90 magic weapon from +2 to +3 gives an additional 21 equip magic attack, which is roughly equivalent to adding 9 mag.

    It gets worse for the pure arcane argument. Most spells do damage equivalent to magic attack + equipment magic attack + constant. So your spell damage scales up less than your magic attack. For my heavy veno, I've found that even though she has ~77% the magic attack of an arcane build, she still does ~87% as much spell damage. I don't think losing ~13% off of spell damage is that big a price to pay for the flexibility to switch armor (don't forget that light/heavy armor casters can also wear arcane armor if the situation warrants).

    Basically, if you want to increase spell DPS, the order you should prioritize things is channeling first, equipment magic attack second (weapon, refine, shards, +mag attack bonus on rings and jewelry), and mag last. When I went heavy with my veno, I didn't consider the ~90 mag I lost to be "wasted". Because the return on extra mag is so small, I considered those points "invested" in something which gave me a lot more bang for the buck.
  • Kephras - Heavens Tear
    Kephras - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    I think people are too lazy and obsessed with EASE of survival to realize the counter balances in LA which is it's higher crit rate, accuracy, and evasion. It also offers a cheap balance of defenses for levels you fly through. Would I use it? -no. I do understand why people would though.

    Crit rate may be fixed to +1%/20 Dex, but "pure" arcane classes (wizard/cleric/psy) get so little benefit to accuracy & evasion per dex that dex is basically worthless there. Accuracy especially, since... y'know, magic doesn't miss. Your logic is sound, but in practice the point is invalid. Venos, being the caster/melee hybrid, do get better effect from dex, and LA isn't such a waste there. Wizards... eh, my personal opinion is that HA/AA is better than doing LA, but that's just me, not backing it with any particular stats or figures.
  • Pegasi - Lost City
    Pegasi - Lost City Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I love how it's spoken of as if you have the option to wear all three armors and still be decent. Clerics sure as hell don't, not without the CS. You can get Arcane and get mauled by phys mobs, or you pick LA and get a little less mauled by both types. You stand up decently to phys mobs and you stand up decently to magic ones. I'd prefer to be decent in both worlds than have an Achilles heel.
    I do fine with LA and my heal gets the job done, it likely helps that I'm not an idiot who plays a cleric thinking that the ability to heal myself is an option and not a NEED. I see a lot of those...
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  • Hakiii - Heavens Tear
    Hakiii - Heavens Tear Posts: 283 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I have a lot of fun with light armor and fists. I don't see why it's such a big deal to everyone.
    Not only that, but if a party gets wiped in a BH, I'm typically the only one left to carry the mob around while a cleric resses, if there isn't a barb.
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  • Islamey - Dreamweaver
    Islamey - Dreamweaver Posts: 586 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    only reason I could see anyone using LA is if they were forced to (archers/assassin).
    I don't think its worth going LA just for the crit % because that can be boosted a decent amount through gears.
    All the hits in red are crits, with me having 25% or so crit.

    I have a +3 NP. Imagine if it was +10.

    Even with a +3 NP, my record crit was about 120k on a HF'd mob.

    And keep your e-penor in your pants. noone cares how much you crit.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    LA is fine for most builds until you hit 90 really. TT90/99+07 arcane top is much better than LA.

    For Clerics at endgame even HA build is better than LA if you can afford it. LA for wiz end-game is just ignorant. LA veno at endgame is just as foolish. I know this both from PvP against them and from experienced LA PvP builds who have restatted for arcane. Pharoah was LA, restat to arcane... Breathe is LA and has acknowledged that their choice was bad. Everyone else at end-game would agree except maybe a few people.
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Ever heard of stone shield?
    It's a wizzy skil that doubles phys def, abit like veno fox form. But with stone shield, you don't have to switch to a whole different skil bar (and no, I am a fully garnet sharded arcane, but your explaination still fails)

    Actually it doesn't. For LA you need to have extra points statted to Str and Dex, obviously. For a 9x wiz that's over 125 stat points that could be in magic for a little extra defense and much worse magical defense. When you learn lvl 11 stone barrier LA even fails more.

    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »
    its because people fear what they dont understand basically. They start giving out false information and throw together builds on pwcalc to try and compare something when they dont even know what to do with a LA build to begin with.

    LA is just fail at endgame. It's not the best of both worlds, it's the worst of both worlds. Here's just the TT99 top. When you combine all pieces, there's a much bigger loss for LA.

    HA pdef = 1686 mdef = 726 total defensive points = 2412
    AA pde f= 185 mdef = 1685 total defensive points = 1872
    LA pdef = 723 mdef = 1125 total defensive points = 1848

    You people argue like it's valid build, and for lower levels when there is no lvl 11 defense buffs your'e right, but every caster gets such a buff some time past 89... foxform for veno, stone barrier or vanguard. When AA clerics and mages refine endgame pdef ornaments and include lvl11 pdef self-buffs, pdef no longer becomes an issue and LA only gimps their magic attack and magic defense.

    axt57 wrote: »
    At +12 the nirvana LA armour gets 263HP more than AA a piece - thats 1578HP more unbuffed if you have the entire set +12'd.

    But enough of that.

    Sorry, but I can't stand someone crapping all over my carefully planned, and so far very effective build.

    Yeah, enough of your private server bs please. As if someone is actually going to pay to +12 their Nirvana armor and your build would cost you at least $10k USD, and if you're going to be able to afford that kind of money, you're better off going with a nuke build anyway. Relying on crits is... unreliable.


    Two other end-game casters who are saying here that AA > LA:
    Maiya - Lost City wrote: »
    LA is the worst armor, but I still use it because I am too lazy to get HA and refine again. Also, I don't particularly care if people think it sucks. I'm playing how I want to, now how others want me to. And hey, with account stash, I have a decent set without having to farm+refine another set for my Assassin.
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    A more accurate approach would be for example, that magic hits harder endgame than physical attacks and that it is easier to gain pdef by additional skills, shards, lunar rings and cape and ornaments than mdef. That makes LA lose the edge.

    Everyone sticking up for LA builds at endgame should actually heed the advice of people that are already there. Find some 10x in your guilds or on your sever and ask them their opinion. Almost everyone who had picked LA at 9x or earlier switches to AA at 9x+ or wishes they had... or is probably lying about it.

    Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Basically, if you want to increase spell DPS, the order you should prioritize things is channeling first, equipment magic attack second (weapon, refine, shards, +mag attack bonus on rings and jewelry), and mag last. When I went heavy with my veno, I didn't consider the ~90 mag I lost to be "wasted". Because the return on extra mag is so small, I considered those points "invested" in something which gave me a lot more bang for the buck.

    You're really great with numbers, however in PvP and TW situations, every extra point in reliable damage you can get is one step closer to the next kill. As a heavy, I don't fear LA wizzies, venos or clerics... I lol at them. The arcane builds definitely hurt the worst and are much more likely to actually kill me. That extra 13% damage you're talking about could be an extra 500 pts of damage, and at 8.5k hp, that extra 13% makes a huge difference.

    If you don't think %13 makes much of a difference, you probably wouldn't be wearing a swindlers or sky demon's pearl. Come on, trade it out for any ornament that doesn't give you a +5% bonus. I bet you wouldn't even consider it.
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Pegasi - Lost City wrote: »
    I love how it's spoken of as if you have the option to wear all three armors and still be decent. Clerics sure as hell don't, not without the CS. You can get Arcane and get mauled by phys mobs, or you pick LA and get a little less mauled by both types. You stand up decently to phys mobs and you stand up decently to magic ones. I'd prefer to be decent in both worlds than have an Achilles heel.
    At your level that's true. At higher levels when people start to get serious about sharding gear, that's when light armor starts to weaken. An arcane build can pretty much match the pdef of light with shards, and have the same or more hp by putting extra stat points into vit. Extra stat points the light build had to put into str and dex.

    If you're rich and can manage to +10 all your armor, then it's different. But for most normal people who will probably only +2 or +3 their equipment, arcane with garnet shards probably makes the most sense.
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    Islamey - Dreamweaver Posts: 586 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    It's not the best of both worlds, it's the worst of both worlds.
    Just about sums it up.
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