Why are people flaming others about light armor like its a curse?

axt57

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

all axt does is compare things at +10 or higher, as if its something normal. this is fairly impractical and very unrealistic. this is pw, not metagame where fantasy builds and ridiculous gear are not commonplace for EVERYONE.

fact is, HA with a combo of robes and out stat an LA in terms of defenses. what LA has over it is crit, and m.atk. both in the end are a joke, and gimp your damage for the sake of some def. big woop, they both fail.

Well I compare endgame builds. +10 is reasonable at endgame - perhaps because that is what I am aiming for (or +11).

And I would not call extra crit and m.atk a joke - you should know they aren't, of all people here.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

axt57 wrote: »

u extra mad

Anyway since you have failed to provide a good HA baseline build, even though I have asked you about 6 times now, I will accept that you have no inkling of how to build one - so your initial comments are void.

Can anyone else provide a good HA veno build?

LOL that's called projection. Afraid of being critiqued mr +11 Nirvana suit? lol

After all, you're the one who has only provided a fantasy build, won't provide a realistic one or your own gears and are posting anonymously.

I have no reason to put an effort into a build when you can only come up with BS.


Here's your realistic build:

+10 cv or TT99 sword, Cube/CV/Dustless/Swindlers neck + Warsong belt/Paradise Sachet + CV rings + TT99 sharded with 50/50 citrines/garnets if you're mostly into group pvp (expecting to be fully buffed) or full garnet shards (not expecting to be fully buffed) for RPK and 1v1 pvp. All refined to +5 to +7 except for the rings which really wouldn't matter, sharded G8-G11 your pick.

That's a realistic end-game build.

Airyll - Dreamweaver

Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »

I am no veno expert, but I imagine having twice the accuracy of heavy armor might also be good for light armor fox form venos, when they fight opponents with high evasion?

Meanwhile, i imagine that if fox form venos wanted higher magic attack for stronger heals that they could be buying reduced requirement gear. They would need a set of the stuff, but every point of reduced requirement winds up being two points of magic for them so with a little work and maybe an alt to hold potential pieces while making sets, a LA veno could have a rather nice magic attack (or, they could have vitality if they wanted that instead).

I've said it before, and will say it again:

Of all the magic casters in the game, the venomancer is the only one who really can utilise the extra dex that is required for LA, and that's only because of fox form.

A lot of people have cried about the wizzy's shield among other things, but the fact is: sure, so the extra p.def makes the shield all the better but... wait! Garnets would do the same thing and probably do it better than LA. Shut up and think before crying Solid Shield or whatever else you want to cry, because it works both ways.

The only reason - only - reason venomancers can really go LA and have the potential to make something of themselves if they only ever make use of their fox form more than anything else. The increased accuracy and p.def is probably highly beneficial for PvE.

For PvP, LA builds suck. Period. The difference in HP per refine between AA and LA has already been proven to be menial, and an AA user can probably get as much p.def as an LA user could if not more between what ornaments they choose from along with their skills that boost defence in some form - which I may point out, archers do not have. We get no skills to boost our defence at any time, only to boost our evasion. And since a caster won't ever miss, this means that against casters LA users are always constantly at a disadvantage with **** m.def and their evasion counts for nothing. Against HA users that wear two Misties, evasion once again really counts for very little - especially against BMs who are more likely to hit you than miss.

For PvE, sure, go LA, nobody cares and if you're never going to PK you're probably never going to really understand why LA sucks so much, especially at 90+ levels. Unless you're a cash shopper, in which case it really doesn't matter because you can just max the sockets on your gear and shard with vit stones and refine to +12.

KageYingZi - Heavens Tear

@axt:
Crit rate:20dex to get 1%.To get 25%,you need 500dex.assuming your build is 1dex,1str,3mag,you will have 105 dex at lvl 100.Let's see how you gonna get 395dex or a combination of items to get 25%.You saying getting 8~9% crit from dex alone is false even if you go 1dex,1str,3mag with uber dex gear and what's more you claim you are not full dex.

I shan't comment on other stuff because I'm still trying to get a hold of myself to type it out

On the topic:
LA pales in comparison to HA and Arcane.

axt57

This is ~close~ to my build:

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=15da52ec6022615c

Vs magic:

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4b5979237d03a207

Vs physical:

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=9c9cafb181d62e46

Shame I'm not on LC.

Isala - Sanctuary

I love how people are saying that only the people who don't PvP are the ones who back up LA... I can vouch for the LA's usefulness in PvP. As for the "Fighting Heavies, you'll suck" argument.... I kill BMs like I mow through level 1 mobs. No challenge whatsoever. Barbs are the only difficult part, and that's only due to the extreme amount of HP they have. Every other class in this game is a joke, anyway. Archers are a piece of cake, Wizards are paper, I could go on, but the point remains, LA isn't as sucky as you've been lead to believe. I remember a time when people swore by LA, and claimed the HA build was ****, now it's the opposite? People on these forums need to pull their heads out of their asses and make up their minds...b:surrender

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

its because people fear what they dont understand basically. They start giving out false information and throw together builds on pwcalc to try and compare something when they dont even know what to do with a LA build to begin with. I think some of the posts are pure example of this.. crit dmg that does less than arcane normal hits? lol or LA's hp per refine is lower than arcane? lol look at this Airyll person, doesnt have a clue what the heck they are talking about. But, bet some people out there are looking at that and all the other **** people post and think its the truth.

+1,000,000. People rage against what they don't understand or flame it being fail, then when someone who knows what they are talking about posts and shows that they are talking BS they get all defensive.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

I love how people are saying that only the people who don't PvP are the ones who back up LA... I can vouch for the LA's usefulness in PvP. As for the "Fighting Heavies, you'll suck" argument.... I kill BMs like I mow through level 1 mobs. No challenge whatsoever. Barbs are the only difficult part, and that's only due to the extreme amount of HP they have. Every other class in this game is a joke, anyway. Archers are a piece of cake, Wizards are paper, I could go on, but the point remains, LA isn't as sucky as you've been lead to believe. I remember a time when people swore by LA, and claimed the HA build was ****, now it's the opposite? People on these forums need to pull their heads out of their asses and make up their minds...b:surrender

oh really, if you think you're that good, maybe you should start PK lvl 90+.
Under lvl 90 no class except barb and vit BMs can stand the bugged bleed from Nix. Go against a good geared no scroll baby 95+ arcane ... I'll enter on my Sanct alt just to see you byte the dust b:chuckle

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »

+1,000,000. People rage against what they don't understand or flame it being fail, then when someone who knows what they are talking about posts and shows that they are talking BS they get all defensive.

hmmm...so i think at endgame we should stop and listen some 80s and low 90s what they think about endgame LA build and why is that a good alternative?....hmm.... coool. Lemme smoke some really f-ed up pot and then I might give it a try.

Prowler - Heavens Tear

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

I know a cash shop LA veno build that regrets going LA. I don't know anyone that is actually at 10x and says LA is better.... in a guild with more than 100 10x.

Post from your main so people on your server can know who you are.

And yes, it's private server bs. I've seen your PW calc builds mr +!2 Nirvana set. lol

Lvl 101 LA veno, and no, not an Oracle baby, as those who've seen my posts all the way from the day the PWI forums started would know.

Refines are +5/+6. I'm very happy with my build, and I thoroughly enjoy the game with this build. I tried arcane, felt badly gimped by physical AoEs and mobs slipping past my pet, died a lot... Went back to LA, I die way less now, doing the same TT runs, the same bosses, and the same grinds.

Oh, and before someone falls back on the standard "what about PvP" rants - I rolled on a PvE server by choice.

So yeah, pleased to meet you: You now know a 10x LA who says LA is better. I hope this has addressed somewhat the lack of acquaintances you had previously.

Warm Regards

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

I love how people are saying that only the people who don't PvP are the ones who back up LA... I can vouch for the LA's usefulness in PvP. As for the "Fighting Heavies, you'll suck" argument.... I kill BMs like I mow through level 1 mobs. No challenge whatsoever. Barbs are the only difficult part, and that's only due to the extreme amount of HP they have. Every other class in this game is a joke, anyway. Archers are a piece of cake, Wizards are paper, I could go on, but the point remains, LA isn't as sucky as you've been lead to believe. I remember a time when people swore by LA, and claimed the HA build was ****, now it's the opposite? People on these forums need to pull their heads out of their asses and make up their minds...b:surrender

well i've met almost no bm's in sanc that have any clue how to play the class

sanc = axe land not at all compreable to places like LC where there are competent all path peoples with decent gear

when i see every 9x bm around in pk runnin round with +8 lionhearts and spaming HF+ br on people with full hp i have a hard time taking "i nuke bm" posts seriously though i did see some restat....to use trash fists with almost no - interval and +10 armor

b:sadb:sadb:sad

(edit) LA is good up till lvl 89 but at 90+ its worthless

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

sanc = axe land not at all compreable to places like LC where there are competent all path peoples with decent gear

when i see every 9x bm around in pk runnin round with +8 lionhearts and spaming HF+ br on people with full hp i have a hard time taking "i nuke bm" posts seriously though i did see some restat....to use trash fists with almost no - interval and +10 armor

Well, +8 axes will surely kill all fail people. Which means most of the Sanctuary PKers b:chuckle

(Not really, Sanc just happens to have lots of bad axe BMs.)

HolyInferno - Sanctuary

Prowler - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lvl 101 LA veno, and no, not an Oracle baby, as those who've seen my posts all the way from the day the PWI forums started would know.

Refines are +5/+6. I'm very happy with my build, and I thoroughly enjoy the game with this build. I tried arcane, felt badly gimped by physical AoEs and mobs slipping past my pet, died a lot... Went back to LA, I die way less now, doing the same TT runs, the same bosses, and the same grinds.

Oh, and before someone falls back on the standard "what about PvP" rants - I rolled on a PvE server by choice.

So yeah, pleased to meet you: You now know a 10x LA who says LA is better. I hope this has addressed somewhat the lack of acquaintances you had previously.

Warm Regards

I r a LA veno too and I thoroughly enjoyed it as well ^^

Alliptica - Raging Tide

i thought light armor had more survivability? arcane armor is the worst.

Swaze - Sanctuary

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

i thought light armor had more survivability? arcane armor is the worst.

AA = Assassin's Appetite

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

i thought light armor had more survivability? arcane armor is the worst.

So its now going to be AA is worse not LA?

*Sigh* why do people have to insist one set is better than another. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses b:surrender.

tsumii

I beg to differ. Im a 99 AA vit veno, sharded with full garnets. I have 5.3k hp and 4.9k pdef and the only main thing that was CS'ed was my cape. So without the CS'd cape I have 4.5k pdef. You just cant use most of the pre-set gear like TT or legendary. I have a mixture of OHT, 3 star, and TT. And as far as i have been able to see, my build is better then any LA that I have come across, granted I have not seen every veno in the game, but Im slowly working on it xD

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear

tsumii wrote: »

I beg to differ. Im a 99 AA vit veno, sharded with full garnets. I have 5.3k hp and 4.9k pdef and the only main thing that was CS'ed was my cape. So without the CS'd cape I have 4.5k pdef. You just cant use most of the pre-set gear like TT or legendary. I have a mixture of OHT, 3 star, and TT. And as far as i have been able to see, my build is better then any LA that I have come across, granted I have not seen every veno in the game, but Im slowly working on it xD

Main?

/10 char

Tsutokii - Lost City

Yes and Im quite proud of her

Tsutokii - Lost City

Sorry didnt have the character thing set up yet v.v' Im tsumii

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So its now going to be AA is worse not LA?

*Sigh* why do people have to insist one set is better than another. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses b:surrender.

Like Demon and Sage b:avoid

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear

Tsutokii - Lost City wrote: »

Sorry didnt have the character thing set up yet v.v' Im tsumii

Now i can believe you, too many people spouting **** on this thread as it is .

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Like Demon and Sage b:avoid

Thats different, everyone knows demon is much better b:chuckle but with armour each is good and weak in its own way depending on the set and class.

Tsutokii - Lost City

I just saw it as I was looking to see if there was maint tomorrow. But I also think LA could be good for ppl. They just cant use the pre-set gears. Ive seen some pretty amazing stuff coming out of OHT for LA, for instance, once i saw LA OHT boots with +142(x3) pdef for the blue stats. I think LA may actually have a chance to be better then me, but no one knows that TT and legendary are not always the best >.>" ive looked for many builds for my veno. I like to pvp, I need the best build i can get.

-Edit:
Oh and the 4.9k pdef is in human

Michael_Dark - Lost City

axt57 wrote: »

This is ~close~ to my build:

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=15da52ec6022615c

Shame I'm not on LC.

Comparable build:

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ebabf827cf1b43f6

Mostly the same gear using the buffs from your build, some lower refines and about the same HP. You lose 6% crit but gain 6.5k more pdef, almost 2k more mdef, with the same buffs you outlined. I just changed your TT90 +6 to HA +5 and then your CV neck from +7 to +5 and changed the NP from +3 to +7 so the heavy build has almost 1k more matk. Change around the shards from Sapphires to Citrines and you could have the same matk and higher hp. I added the Forest Wisdom, cause well, I have one and if you were pro you would too. :P

If you want I could put together a *cheaper* build that would equal your stats.

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

I love how people are saying that only the people who don't PvP are the ones who back up LA...

LA isn't as sucky as you've been lead to believe.

Two of the most prolific 10x LA PvP casters on LC have restat FROM LA to Arcane. That and I PvP against many different builds. LA is fail... it neither protects you from heavy magic damage you would get hit by from end-game casters, nor will it protect you from the massive damage of end-game archers or claw bms.

Prowler - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Refines are +5/+6. I'm very happy with my build, and I thoroughly enjoy the game with this build. I tried arcane, felt badly gimped by physical AoEs and mobs slipping past my pet, died a lot... Went back to LA, I die way less now, doing the same TT runs, the same bosses, and the same grinds.

Oh, and before someone falls back on the standard "what about PvP" rants - I rolled on a PvE server by choice.

So yeah, pleased to meet you: You now know a 10x LA who says LA is better. I hope this has addressed somewhat the lack of acquaintances you had previously.

Warm Regards

Compare ax's LA build to my Heavy build...

Tsutokii - Lost City wrote: »

I just saw it as I was looking to see if there was maint tomorrow. But I also think LA could be good for ppl. They just cant use the pre-set gears. Ive seen some pretty amazing stuff coming out of OHT for LA, for instance, once i saw LA OHT boots with +142(x3) pdef for the blue stats. I think LA may actually have a chance to be better then me, but no one knows that TT and legendary are not always the best >.>" ive looked for many builds for my veno. I like to pvp, I need the best build i can get.

-Edit:
Oh and the 4.9k pdef is in human

If you're gong for OHT with 3x pdef adds, your best bet is to go arcane, that way you don't gimp your mdef. Going LA means you'll get ***** by the likes of any mage with +!0 cv weapon, as LA you'd likely get ***** by archers or fist bms so the added pdef isn't significant since you're just gimping your mdef. Against lower levels it doesn't really matter what armor you're using, but against your own level is where it really matters.

How much hp do you have?

axt57

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Comparable build:

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ebabf827cf1b43f6

Mostly the same gear using the buffs from your build, some lower refines and about the same HP. You lose 6% crit but gain 6.5k more pdef, almost 2k more mdef, with the same buffs you outlined. I just changed your TT90 +6 to HA +5 and then your CV neck from +7 to +5 and changed the NP from +3 to +7 so the heavy build has almost 1k more matk. Change around the shards from Sapphires to Citrines and you could have the same matk and higher hp. I added the Forest Wisdom, cause well, I have one and if you were pro you would too. :P

If you want I could put together a *cheaper* build that would equal your stats.

Actually you'd lose 7% crit (boots). Also you used a +7 event helm with 2 primevals (like +80m) to compare to my build - while (hilariously) trying to justify refines, which is ****.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

axt57 wrote: »

Actually you'd lose 7% crit (boots). Also you used an event helm with 2 primevals (like +70m) to compare to my build - while (hilariously) trying to justify refines, which is ****.

lol. You have event tome, event cape, event boots, event belt, cv neck, adding event helm isn't a far stretch. You already have 5 +10 vit stones in your build, what's 2 more? Since you can obviously afford it, what's +70m to an already 800-900m build you listed?

You're the fool with the fake builds. Post from your main so I can verify pls. Of course you shouldn't have anything to hide if you were being honest.

axt57

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

lol. You have event tome, event cape, event boots, event belt, cv neck, adding event helm isn't a far stretch. You already have 5 +10 vit stones in your build, what's 2 more? Since you can obviously afford it, what's +70m to an already 800-900m build you listed?

You're the fool with the fake builds. Post from your main so I can verify pls. Of course you shouldn't have anything to hide if you were being honest.

There is a very good reason I use that helm. I wonder if you can work it out.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

axt57 wrote: »

There is a very good reason I use that helm. I wonder if you can work it out.

Here's even a cheaper build... No event boots, all TT90 except arcane wrists... Included Warsoul helm, your build has 3 more +10 vit stones.

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=395b2c8adab2f5dd

18k pdef, 10.1k mdef, 8.8k hp.

You're really not that bright.


EDIT: There is no real reason to use that helm. Aqua helm is fail at even 9x. Including it on an end-game build is very poor choice. CV helm or Warsoul helm if you can't equip event helm.

axt57

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Here's even a cheaper build... No event boots, all TT90 except arcane wrists... Included Warsoul helm, your build has 3 more +10 vit stones.

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=395b2c8adab2f5dd

18k pdef, 10.1k mdef, 8.8k hp.

You're really not that bright.

So not only does it have 8% less crit, it also has less HP and still costs more...

u mad again?

Michael_Dark - Lost City

axt57 wrote: »

So not only does it have 8% less crit, it also has less HP and still costs more...

u mad again?

Costs way less. You just can't admit you're horribly wrong. lol

My build is cheaper, has lower refines and doesn't use your event boots and has 3 less vit stones and it's still far superior.

You're ranting about crit like that's going to make a difference. Sorry it's not. Post from your main so the people on your server can ridicule you. lol

b:pleased

Ursa - Dreamweaver

axt57 wrote: »

There is a very good reason I use that helm. I wonder if you can work it out.

aw, wow...really? gosh.

to paraphrase michael : " .. not too bright, aren't you"