Why are people flaming others about light armor like its a curse?
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I have a rather modest -0.15 interval on my heavy veno (out of a max theoretically achievable of -0.35). All the calculations and testing I've done in CoA says I do a heckuva lot more damage in fox form than in caster form. I'd have to bump up my channeling to about 45% for my spell damage to equal my melee damage. And I have two sapphires on my sword. Been thinking of switching those to garnets...Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »It depends on what you're using Fox Form for, really. -Interval is completely useless if you're using Fox form for the skills, and extremely useful if you're using it for the regular attack, due to the already quick attack speed on our magic weapons. ... Could I use the extra DPS with the Interval gear? Probably. But if I really want DPS, I'm more powerful in caster form anyway, and I have the -chan for that on my Robes. b:victory0 -
All armors have their good and bad points...
U want NOT TO FAIL using LA? Keep with u a set of mag def AND phys def ornaments with u, and switch as necessary.
Event though i'd say go AA/HA if ur class permits u to (mages and bms/barbs).
I have an archer almost lvl 90 (avatar is not updated), and Im not meant to tank anything anyway. i just switch ornaments depending on the mobs or the boss aoe type and it works well.
Now, if u re going for metal boss in warsong using LA and phys def ornaments... well... good death. same thing could be said about a Sin DDing a short range phys aoe boss(like the fb 69 ones) using mag def ornaments0 -
ScarletEyes - Sanctuary wrote: »Event though i'd say go AA/HA if ur class permits u to (mages and bms/barbs).
You're kidding, right?I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
I find saying LA armor is fail to be a false conclusion, cuz it really depend on your play style, but i gotta agree with some on that LA is weak if u look on phy def and mag def as two parts instead of a whole. When that is said, the claim an LA veno is fail is sad, did u try an LA veno? this could also count for other classes.
To take the veno LA is often the low lvl choice for later HA/AA venos, It makes it alot easier for them to lvl at the lower lvls, then later they re-stat themselves so they can fit into HA/AA armor. Why can't ppl allow others to try be original and not take the common build. Giving good suggestions on optimal build is great, but don't just laughe em off.
I know an LA veno and she does great, and dies alot less than a normal veno, pet suffers, but the dmg output is just as good or almost as good as AA veno.0 -
Sinalee - Dreamweaver wrote: »I find saying LA armor is fail to be a false conclusion, cuz it really depend on your play style, but i gotta agree with some on that LA is weak if u look on phy def and mag def as two parts instead of a whole. When that is said, the claim an LA veno is fail is sad, did u try an LA veno? this could also count for other classes.
LA venos have trouble killing me. They are also easy to kill. Their damage doesn't worry me. Arcane is easy to kill, but they have a much higher damage output and if I'm not careful I can get nuked. Heavy venos scare the hell out of me. This is against venos my level.
Sure, there are exceptions to the rule. I've been playing this PvP server for over a year, and this is the conclusion I've come to from knowing many venos and from fighting many venos on the world map and in TW. For PvE, I'm sure it doesn't really matter. For PvP, LA is just a lazy build. Sure, an experienced player can play well despite limitations from armor. Three venos with equal skill, each optimized for their particular armor will be strong against either magic or physical while the LA will not be strong against either.
Of course you're free to do what you want and some people won't mind compromising both pdef and mdef for a balance. Personally, AA with pdef ornaments and garnets isn't significantly worse for pdef but gimps mdef.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »LA venos have trouble killing me. They are also easy to kill. Their damage doesn't worry me. Arcane is easy to kill, but they have a much higher damage output and if I'm not careful I can get nuked. Heavy venos scare the hell out of me. This is against venos my level.
Sure, there are exceptions to the rule. I've been playing this PvP server for over a year, and this is the conclusion I've come to from knowing many venos and from fighting many venos on the world map and in TW. For PvE, I'm sure it doesn't really matter. For PvP, LA is just a lazy build. Sure, an experienced player can play well despite limitations from armor. Three venos with equal skill, each optimized for their particular armor will be strong against either magic or physical while the LA will not be strong against either.
Of course you're free to do what you want and some people won't mind compromising both pdef and mdef for a balance. Personally, AA with pdef ornaments and garnets isn't significantly worse for pdef but gimps mdef.
I really don't know what sort of LA veno's you've been fighting. The last BM who tried to PvP me got nuked for 11k with my +3 NP - and he had better gear then me.
Also you still havn't posted a good HA build.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
From a more practical point of view, here's what happens when me and my friends smack each other around a bit when i'm on veno (mag attack me / physical attack pet), lvl 90+:
vs Barb friend - HA:
Nix doesn't do all that much, i mostly rely on my mag attack to hit around 1.9k-2.3k-ish on him.
vs Cleric friend - AA:
I dont do all that much, basically cant even kill him without a pet (unless triple spark + double/triple debuff). Nix gets most of the credit here, my damage usually winds up around 900-1.3k-ish if i dont crit.
vs Archer friend - LA:
Here's where it gets interesting. Nix hurts him quite a lot and i hurt him as well, usually hitting around 1.5-1.8k-ish or so. First bleed + my first spell means tick on his charm, which also means he'll die shortly afterwards. Basically his only way of killing me before i kill him is if he lands a stun before me, following by a crit or 2 (kind of who hits first wins).
To sum up:
I don't feel like getting into all the numbers etc. (although i enjoy Solandri's posts, ty), but in my experience LA drops fastest when i'm on veno. Mag hurts them, Physical hurts them and their HP doesn't really back them up either on your average player. At least AA & HA counter one of my attack types so to speak.0 -
I really don't know what sort of LA veno's you've been fighting. The last BM who tried to PvP me got nuked for 11k with my +3 NP - and he had better gear then me.
Not against a BM your level, or maybe if they were pmarrowed.Also you still havn't posted a good HA build.
I've said it at least 3 times now... You still haven't posted your build or a realistic end game build.
Just put a pure int 100 veno with +10 pdef cube neck and warsoul belt, +10 lunar rings, 6 piece +10 Nirvana arcane set, +12 Rank 8 or Nirvana weapon sharded 50/50 with drakeflames and citrine gems. Or just replace that with a pure heavy build.... same difference.
That's as realistic as your build...I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »I was speaking about "pure" builds, as in a pure archer vs a pure cleric vs a pure barb. The archer has the most wasted stat points and gets the lowest total defense.
HA is the best armor followed by arcane followed by light.
I would say that not everyone today goes pure. mostly hybrid vit/dex for Archer/Sin and vit/mag for Mag classes.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »I would say that not everyone today goes pure. mostly hybrid vit/dex for Archer/Sin and vit/mag for Mag classes.
While vit builds are common for clerics, pure dex is by far the most common build for archers because archers already have to waste 100 points in STR to wear LA. This doesnt leave much room for VIT.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=228922
Archers are desperately reliant on dex to push up their base damage since unlike other classes almost no archer skills have +% weapon attack modifiers, the ones that do take like 3s to cast.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »While vit builds are common for clerics, pure dex is by far the most common build for archers because archers already have to waste 100 points in STR to wear LA. This doesnt leave much room for VIT.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=228922
Archers are desperately reliant on dex to push up their base damage since unlike other classes almost no archer skills have +% weapon attack modifiers, the ones that do take like 3s to cast.
I have mine as a hybrid with vit added and I don't have that many or hardly any shards.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
I really don't care all that much what you people write but for me ligh armor is enough. I am a casual player in this game. It sucks, it requires a lot of money and even more with the gold prices now - i'm sure if people have money they can shine in ANY armor type. I've never had more than 6 mil and i've purchased some gold to buy stuff for my char ( a mount, a +1.5 fly...)
Honestly i've done my calculations, if i was arcana i was gonna have less health and less pdef and i do get hit by mobs sometimes and i'm sure i would've been dead if i was arcana cause i have armors with 2 slots at best and i prefer to fill those with hp and wear light.
If any of you wants to donate a +10 tt arcana gear then sure i will wear one.
I have 1k less dmg than arcana but i have 5 more crit which sometimes helps me in a really bad situations (like critting a mob with lost aggro and killing it).
So probably arcana is better if you got the money but for me...i can't even refine to +2.
As far as this mage in my avatar - it is arcana and when **** happens i die in 0.5sec and that even makes me think how great it is that my other char is light.0 -
Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »Light armor sucks because it has the worst defences, especially the higher the level. It has the worst HP per refine too, generally making it crappy armor that archers and sins only wear because to wear any other armor would be to nerf their attack, and their best defence is their attack.
I laugh at LA venos. If you're going to nerf your build as a veno, nerf it and go HA/AA, because that is a far better build than LA by far. The only reason LA build even works for venos in the first place is the increased p.def and accuracy in fox form, meaning that if they're a regular user of fox form, LA gives more benefits than arcane armor does.
I laugh at LA clerics and wizzies more than I laugh at the LA venos, because they don't even have a form that can make better use of the armor and how **** it is. If you wanted p.def, shard garnets. Wearing LA is stupid; the nerf on your attack that goes into dex is a waste because your attacks will never miss and you aren't supposed to be dodging hits - you aren't meant to be taking them in the first place unless they're magic hits that you can tank.
I agree with this post.
Any Arcane class will > LA magical class in pvp unless you have uber gear and refines on your gear. That's why it sucks.*Semi retired*0 -
All but one or two of the 8x-10x are saying it's horrible. Almost all of the low and mid level chars are saying how it's great. Too funny.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0
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If you count me to the low levels my veno is 81.0
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Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »All but one or two of the 8x-10x are saying it's horrible. Almost all of the low and mid level chars are saying how it's great. Too funny.
its cuz light armor is decent when you don't want to spend money on refining orns and getting nice shards ie: when you're mid levels.
didnt casters used to say "LA or you're 2 shot"? nobody wants to heavily shard gear they'll get rid of in a week or so, they go LA cuz it sort of works. when you spend money on 9x gear, LA is no longer the best choice.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
Qui: b:dirty0 -
LA blows, case closed. i think there should be an increase on the def it gives, we should make it like a medium in between, and not need buffs to do so. IE maybe a 10-15% higher damage mitigation with it on seeing as HA is over the top, and arcane without garnets is embarassing. (stop calling it AA, its an arcane robe... its more like clothing than it is armor.)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »its cuz light armor is decent when you don't want to spend money on refining orns and getting nice shards ie: when you're mid levels.
Yeah, I've said so several times in this thread. All my posts are in regards to high level or end-game gear. Unlike times past you can get from 1-70 in a couple of weeks... and 9x in a matter of two or three months. It's not even really worth sharding/refining 80 armor anymore. By the time you get any gear that you're actually gonna use for a while, arcane or heavy armor is much better.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »All but one or two of the 8x-10x are saying it's horrible. Almost all of the low and mid level chars are saying how it's great. Too funny.
The only amusing thing in this thread is your constant excuses and avoidance of posting a good HA build.
You make bold statements yet can't back them up. You also base your opinion on a single LA veno who seems like a CS fail anyway.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
The only amusing thing in this thread is your constant excuses and avoidance of posting a good HA build.
You make bold statements yet can't back them up. You also base your opinion on a single LA veno who seems like a CS fail anyway.
For like the millionth time...
POST YOUR GEAR OR A REALISTIC END-GAME BUILD.
Don't post more of your pserver fantasy builds...
Are you freaking dense, or what?I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »For like the millionth time...
POST YOUR GEAR OR A REALISTIC END-GAME BUILD.
Don't post more of your pserver fantasy builds...
Are you freaking dense, or what?
What has my gear got to do with anything?
You said that HA is superior to LA, and I told you to build a good HA build.
Back up your statement with a good HA veno build.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
look people the only way to be a great light armor in anything is that u ++++++other than that LA give nothing all that great ,maybe crits..botu it and im a person who dont go by % so fawk the crits.0
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i dont see anything wrong with light armour.
sue the defence sucks, but if its socketed, i but in gems that boost up defence.0 -
What has my gear got to do with anything?
You said that HA is superior to LA, and I told you to build a good HA build.
Back up your statement with a good HA veno build.
Give me a baseline and I'll provide a counterpoint. I guess I'll have to explain myself clearly and simply so you will understand. How can I build a comparable, cost=effective HA build if you won't provide your LA build or a reasonable endgame LA build.
Your full +11 3 BILLION coin $9000 USD build is never going to happen.
*shrug*
EDIT: At this point of you continuously dodging the issue, post from your main so I can come to your server and verify your gears. You're all talk and no action, and I'm positive your character info would prove the same.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »Give me a baseline and I'll provide a counterpoint. I guess I'll have to explain myself clearly and simply so you will understand. How can I build a comparable, cost=effective HA build if you won't provide your LA build or a reasonable endgame LA build.
Your full +11 3 BILLION coin $9000 USD build is never going to happen.
*shrug*
Since you made the initial statement of HA being better and superior, you will be providing the baseline. Since I'm one of the very few defending the LA build here, I will provide a counter build.
And FYI my "full +11 3 BILLION coin $9000 USD build" is going to happen, it will just take time. I'm already more than 1/3 there.
The way you react to such prospects suggests that you have no experience with high end endgame builds - which for a lvl101 BM is quite hilarious. Maybe you should troll less on the forum.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
The way you react to such prospects suggests that you have no experience with high end endgame builds - which for a lvl101 BM is quite hilarious. Maybe you should troll less on the forum.
lol, that's easy to say hiding anonymously. With the exception of Nirvana weapon and lvl 6 or 7 tome, I'm already done farming my end-game gear.
Post from your main so someone can confirm what you're saying. Until then, cool story lowbie.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »lol, that's easy to say hiding anonymously. With the exception of Nirvana weapon and lvl 6 or 7 tome, I'm already done farming my end-game gear.
Post from your main so someone can confirm what you're saying. Until then, cool story lowbie.
So yet again MD dodges the question at hand while trying to make the issue personal for whatever reason.
As I said I have reasons to stay anonymous and you will respect them.
Lol @ lowbie. u mad?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
So yet again MD dodges the question at hand while trying to make the issue personal for whatever reason.
As I said I have reasons to stay anonymous and you will respect them.
Lol @ lowbie. u mad?
LOLUSCARE?
Post your gears and I'll make a comparable HA build. I'm not hiding anonymously. You're just a private server nub throwing around fantasy builds and won't provide your gears, or even a reasonable end-game build that's currently in your budget.
Troll more please. lolI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »LOLUSCARE?
Post your gears and I'll make a comparable HA build. I'm not hiding anonymously. You're just a private server nub throwing around fantasy builds and won't provide your gears, or even a reasonable end-game build that's currently in your budget.
Troll more please. lol
u extra mad
Anyway since you have failed to provide a good HA baseline build, even though I have asked you about 6 times now, I will accept that you have no inkling of how to build one - so your initial comments are void.
Can anyone else provide a good HA veno build?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
all axt does is compare things at +10 or higher, as if its something normal. this is fairly impractical and very unrealistic. this is pw, not metagame where fantasy builds and ridiculous gear are not commonplace for EVERYONE.
fact is, HA with a combo of robes and out stat an LA in terms of defenses. what LA has over it is crit, and m.atk. both in the end are a joke, and gimp your damage for the sake of some def. big woop, they both fail.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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