Are barbs really getting this greedy?

Unfortunately demand for barbs has skyrocketed since triple BHs seem to have encouraged noobish BMs to forego all tanking skill and the addition of two DD has affected the ratio of classes relative to one another.

This pretty much means they can get away with asking whatever they want as there simply aren't enough Barbs to meet demand. There will always be people desperate enough to pay and the loot system for TT has always been based on bribery to begin with.

Consider a Barb that's just asking for first pick a decent enough guy, he could probably get better...

As a barb, I avoided FB69s with unknown clerics. One incapable cleric means mass charm loss and even death.

I used to lose more than I gain coin-wise in Gamma until I reach 83 or so and figured out how to Gamma with little to no charm tick. For most barbs, Gamma is a coin draining experience. I was so glad the day I leveled out of Gamma range.

Maybe some barbs just don't like TTs or prefer to run with friends? Or maybe they're all super rich like Warren and doesn't need to do TTs. b:laugh

Bh 69 is more about having a cleric who knows when to purify. Having enough life to survive just in case...and its pretty much a cake walk from there.

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

This pretty much means they can get away with asking whatever they want as there simply aren't enough Barbs to meet demand. There will always be people desperate enough to pay and the loot system for TT has always been based on bribery to begin with.

Consider a Barb that's just asking for first pick a decent enough guy, he could probably get better...

True. I am usually lucky to just get the Chientien Edge just because Barbarians always take the drums. I don't mind, their costs compared to mine for TT is far higher, so they deserve it. Still, in order for them to want to do it, you have to give them some incentive, same for Clerics in the case of TT. Were Clerics getting last pick because they were the lowest level in squad, they wouldn't bother coming, which is understandable.

Yes.

Now where's my ****ing plat charm? b:angryb:laugh

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Any half-decent BM should be able to tank BH69 with a competent cleric. No barb needed.

Competent clerics are kinda rare though. (Well, pretty much competent players in general are rare, but besides the point). I've died before alot in my 8x on pole even with multiple clerics and 7k hp. Of course in this case the BM nearly always gets the blame for "failing" and the squad goes on from there to refuse to take anyone but a barb in future bh's.

Playing both a high-level cleric and a high level barb, I can answer a little of this. there's a lot of reasons I've quit answering the call to BH's.

1. Sure I get exp and spirit from BH, but mostly it's a real PITA and burns up a lot of time.

2. The Cleric: Charm burn. On the cleric it's ripping through charms, using pots, AND they expect me to fork money for wine. I get little or no drops, and the only real benefit of clericing is a low repair bill.

3. The Barb: Pots and repairs. I'm taking all the damage, ripping through genie skills and pots making sure that no one else gets aggro.

4. in the end, no one really thanks you. They don't have any desire to compensate you for the expenses you just went through. STILL the want to make sure you fork it over for the wine.

5. Did I mention the expenses? Doing BH runs so far just lose me money, the exp isn't worth it until MUCH later.

6. NOOB squads. ZOMG!! yeah I'm gonna QQ a little. the endless BH's have brought a new reign of terror to PWI..... NOOBS EVERYWHERE!!! I actually got into a 39 squad today on an alt that thought they could do Trioc first, then Calcid, then Farren. After explaining to them how this wasn't going to work they were like, "okay 2 rons to do Trioc first, what's the big deal?" I responded, "about 45 minutes of my time because you don't know what you're doing", and left the squad. People are getting into their 80's, they haven't done a quest since level 42, and they have NO clue about how their character works. I mean really, when you're about to go demon, you should have a clue about how in-game mail works. Really guys.

Now I don't expect people to be giving out charms for stuff. I remember seeing someone in WC begging for a barb and offering a plat charm for a full finished run. I LOL'ed. I plan on doing Gamma though, just need to get my gear settled so I can tank it decently. Then I plan on doing hella gama runs for a while on my barb and maybe holding him at 85 for a while feeding genies. (could make a mint on genies toob:victory)

I will gladly to TT runs, on either my cleric or my barb, and enjoy the occasional FCC run as well when I have time. Lately though all the TT and FCC requests are asking for 90+ or 90-95. I don't understand the new level gapping on FCC runs, but hell, I've seen some 92 clerics that aren't as effective as I was doing FCC at 84. but then it's all about builds and experience. Some have one, Some have the other. Thankfully I have both.

Lately it's been harder to have free time to set aside for a 2-3 hour run, but gimmie a holler, either SylenThunder or Tiageos. (my barb)

Competent clerics are kinda rare though. (Well, pretty much competent players in general are rare, but besides the point). I've died before alot in my 8x on pole even with multiple clerics and 7k hp. Of course in this case the BM nearly always gets the blame for "failing" and the squad goes on from there to refuse to take anyone but a barb in future bh's.

I agree that sometimes there are no competent players in the game, but just keep looking (or find a guild with good people). As for the "fail" comment, if this is the case why is it when the barb fails, they blame the cleric? If the barb wants to come in a squad, acting all bad, like their all that, then maybe the squad should say "If you die, you fail and you will be kicked from the squad." But that wouldn't happen, now would it.b:shutup

MistaBwanden - Sanctuary wrote: »

Even more lately, I've been finding it harder and harder to find a barb for anything.
Whether it be a Gamma, or a BH.
I can't get a Gamma squad going for a barb unless either the barb is completely fail, lies and isn't charmed, or thinks he's super great and needs to be given a free gold HP charm because people are desperate for a tank.
Same has gone for TT. Normally, barb gets an extra drop or two in the squads I was in before, to make up for repairs. But now, barbs have been demanding they get even more drops, or they get some kind of charm ahead of time.
Last, and not least, BH's. The past week or two, I've found it extremely difficult to get a barb for my BH. Sure, they may be on another run, or they're probably busy. I world chatted once for a barb for BH69, 50k wine split just like everyone else. No reply. World chatted again 5 minutes later saying free wine, and I'm flooded with whispers.
Are barbs really starting to get to the point where they are gods now, and must demand getting their way for everything?
I understand a barbs repair bill may be high, I have one myself, and hate high repair bills, yet I still pay for my wine splits, still go on RB's without demanding a charm, go on TT's without demanding extra drops, and do my BH's as if I were anyone else.
I'm sorry for this long rant, but honestly, its really getting irritating.

Have a nice day, everyone.

this is true, for tthose who are on sanc, NEVER EVER EVER EVER party *removed*, they are prime examples of completely ndsahakjsd barbs who dont know how to use tiger skills ever... they aggro a ton of monsters on purpose... and whine and cry when they die.

just thought id give a warning. since the collection of sanctuary barbs are for the most part fail, i think im going on an archer break to make an HA class that can actually put up with accidents like these spawns from the cromagnon genepool.

1) With the onset of speed levelling, every class has been able to power-level through 1-90 with ease. They have no real idea of how to play their class because, unlike many of us who existed before BH, Hyper Stones and FC being nerfed into an EXP-only instance, they haven't had to.

2) With the onset of two new classes that are primarily DDs, there's a lack of balance between DD/healer/tank in the game.

Combining fact 1 with fact 2, we realise that new players "grow up" thinking only a barb can tank, only a cleric can heal, and everybody else can only DD. We also realise that, because of this incredibly limited idea of class roles, they don't actually know how to play their own class. They have no perception that doing too much damage will make you steal aggro. They have no idea that a cleric's necessary skills go beyond revive and IH.

PWI is suffering because the newer player base just has no idea of how to play. This in turn causes friction between the new player base and the old one - new players are anywhere between level 1 to level 99 and you can't trust levels to be an accurate idea of how long somebody has been playing the game anymore.

That level 99 cleric? Yeah, he could be the biggest noob this side of the planet and you would have no idea until you die. It used to be that if you saw a level 99 cleric, you could be pretty sure he knew what he was actually doing in any given situation, not just spamming IH figuring that's all he ever does.

That 99 barb? There's a chance he couldn't tank his way out of a wet paper bag.

All this friction between the new player base and the old one, combined with the complete inability to know how skilled or stupid somebody is before actually squadding with them, creates huge amounts of uncertainty, and unwillingness to squad with random people. Especially on the parts of clerics and barbs, who are more and more often being yelled at by the newer, stupid younger players who just don't have a clue.

Some of you guys got this elitist attitude. "He oracled, therefore he must be a noob at his class. I leveled up by grinding, therefore I must be pro." Pure BS.

You would be correct if you mentioned "he oricled, therefor he/she must be a noob or have an alt that he/she wants to try out" other than that, yes thats what most people think because its mostly true.

Yes, Deceptistar, that is the one thing I miss the most, patience. I remember waiting a month to get a squad together to do Krimson. The kids now are only happy if they can get it right now, and if it isn't right now they complain.

I don't pay for wines. Not because im greedy, just because i wont spend all my money on wines and be completely broke. If someone needs a tank and wants to sponser me they are welcome to my drops.

I'm happy to do a BH69 unwined. The problem is, when i first turned 80 i tried several times to make unwined squad, and recieved not one response. I gave up tring. Now I just do WQ and look for no buy-in BHs and FB69's that need a tank.

I have other characters and have done different BH's in the past. One thing that annoyed me about the was it seems many players just use them to sell their wines. i was in a few where a certain player demanded you use his wines with 65k buyin, even when there was another player willing to use his wines for 50k. Whoever is willing to use wines for cheapest price shouel be the one that wines BH. Others wont lety you pay with wine mats. If you want to give you share in wine mats that should be acceptable unless a player just want to make money off his wines.

For those reason i just dont do wined BH's. i dont feeel like giving my money to some fool who runs around in circles all day hogging the mats.

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I agree and second the statement.

The one thing that would make this awesome barb more awesome is if he would quit fallin' asleep on me when I could really do with an awesome barb.

... But maybe that's asking for a bit too much awesome. So I'll be content with what I have. XD

I agree. He's awesome, lol. But he does fall asleep a lot Q_Q. He's still awesome anyways. x]

OHAI BTW.

I used to have people buying charms for me to help faction out, back when I was the only freaking active tank and needed everywhere, from the low FB19s done in less than 10 minutes to Krimson squads with outside clerics, and anything in between. And I still bought my own charms for Gamma runs, and some FC runs as well.

Let's just say I hated my 80's.

So I made my cleric, and at the rough same time, the people who were funding me in charms for faction uses have quit or stopped CSing. Right now, with the cleric at 74 and with my BM's 90 gear, I completely stopped buying charms. On the BM anyways... on my cleric if I keep up with gamma I actually might need to use HP charms until I hit 75.

Because I don't use MP charms on the cleric anyways. Apothecary items FTW.