TT distrubtuion round robin really fair?

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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What, are you deaf?

    Your "claws" = damage for you

    Your Heaven's Flame = more damage for everyone

    lol silly barb, I know what dragons do. I didn't get to 101 by accident. :P

    Single target dragons is relatively pointless.... 500% weapon damage and 25% attack speed increase usually does more overall damage unless there are several archers or other fist bms. The amp for mages clerics and venos is relatively pointless, so it really depends on squad composition when I determine if I'll dragon or hell spark.

    Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And I have done higher end calculations to. Fist bm at level 101 gave me her stats with TT100 fists at ~4k damage but 3.33 attack rate with 21% crit. So when calculated out, I do 3x damage but you attack 3x faster. Only thing separating us is my ~20%+ higher crit rate.


    Downside of all this, I have **** defenses and low hp. XD

    An archer can take back aggro from me with a string of 4-5 crits in a row, but figuring pure DPS fist bm wins. I've done 3 archer and 3 fist 3-3, fb99 and Nirvana... the party with 3 fist bms always finishes quicker. Just comparing what +10 cv claws (not mine QQ) and +!0 cv bow does to the pilliars in the first room of nirvana pretty much shows it all really. No calculations necessary when you see who always kills faster.

    A fist bm with +!0 and full -int gear can kill almost two pilliars while a 102 mage and 101 archer... all with outstanding gear, are still finishing off the first.

    Of course in many situations fists are pointless, but in PvE there really is no comparison.
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  • Redmenace - Heavens Tear
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear Posts: 908 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    lol silly barb, I know what dragons do. I didn't get to 101 by accident. :P

    [citation needed]


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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    If you do that, lets say I am doing a 1-3 for Drums. After killing the drummer and getting my random mats, I can just leave the squad and join another for more drums. With the banker system, only the one who completes the TT will get mats. So in a sense, banker system has its plus points as well.
    (Not that I would do that in a real run)

    True. I think that PW needs some kind of bank thing, that stores that mats until the end of the run. There you could assign what drops each player gets, and you couldn't give all the mats to yourself.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    [citation needed]


    RedMenace

    \the point was you should be helping the squad, not farming for crits
    \\apparently your report card was filled with "does not play well with others"
    \\\will that massive noggin fit thru the basement door?

    You do know that dragons give only 6 sec amp? And dragons cost 2 sparks, no axe BM can get that too often. It's much easier this way:

    1) auto-attack with fists
    2) do dragons when 2 sparks
    3) auto-attack with fists

    EDIT: sorry for the doublepost, wasn't thinking too much when posting
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    If you have a problem with the standard way drops tend to go, then run with friends, or, if you don't have friends, then make some. Then it doesn't matter, does it?
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    [citation needed]


    RedMenace

    \the point was you should be helping the squad, not farming for crits
    \\apparently your report card was filled with "does not play well with others"
    \\\will that massive noggin fit thru the basement door?

    I rarely look at my damage log. I play often enough in squad situations where I know when my dragons are better suited than my hell spark.

    I really shouldn't have to tell you when you need to bite or turtle, should I?
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  • Lylfo - Dreamweaver
    Lylfo - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I think it is getting a little out of topic here. Bring the damage comparison to a BM forum or something.

    Edit : I'm happy with Bm who hell spark or HF, as long as they are not AFK. That's all I am asking for.
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  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    In my opinion it's better to save up coins and buy the mats from AH or the armor. In fact you can get very good deals on used armor because the old owners know that you cannot get back all the money back.
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  • Technotic - Sanctuary
    Technotic - Sanctuary Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    An archer can take back aggro from me with a string of 4-5 crits in a row, but figuring pure DPS fist bm wins. I've done 3 archer and 3 fist 3-3, fb99 and Nirvana... the party with 3 fist bms always finishes quicker. Just comparing what +10 cv claws (not mine QQ) and +!0 cv bow does to the pilliars in the first room of nirvana pretty much shows it all really. No calculations necessary when you see who always kills faster.

    A fist bm with +!0 and full -int gear can kill almost two pilliars while a 102 mage and 101 archer... all with outstanding gear, are still finishing off the first.

    Of course in many situations fists are pointless, but in PvE there really is no comparison.

    I've never lost aggro to a BM before. Ever. I've been in TT3-3 and FCC with BMs 100+, and they never hold aggro on me.
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  • Slivaf - Dreamweaver
    Slivaf - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,106 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It's not that I don't have friends guys and gals, is just that those ways feel like I am taking a 'hand-out' from them... almost like I am begging for there help, which is real annoying.

    Also if you all didn't bother to SEEM to read my post, do you expect me too? a couple pages back someone mention the same standard response on first page read the first few lines skipped to the next one. << =x

    I do realize/agree that barb's and clerics are widely considered needed in squad runs, but seriously (even "my" [the 'second' best on server' guild is struggling to get dd's to go on tt runs, especially during normal drops.) So yes this would also be a possibility but as I said, it seems wrong, and feels almost as if it is getting a 'hand-out.'

    One more thing like I said a while back in here, I admit it isn't the 'best' way to do it, it is by far fairer then this system. Where a barb or cleric easily walks out with several more millions then a dd ever could.

    And oh... michael_dark don't come here saying I 'phail' << go away and do that somewhere else kthxbye. =x I AM entitled to my opinion, and I CAN make suggestions on how to fix this bs way. << Also please note I am not trying to start anything with you, so hopefully I wont need to reply to you.
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  • w1nt3r
    w1nt3r Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    lol tech fail
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I've never lost aggro to a BM before. Ever. I've been in TT3-3 and FCC with BMs 100+, and they never hold aggro on me.

    I can steal ? bosses in TT from venos and archers. *shrug*


    Anyway, back on topic, the OP's system is just way too complicated. Distribute evenly except when agreed upon. All terms of a run should be known and acknowledged BEFORE the run even starts.
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  • Technotic - Sanctuary
    Technotic - Sanctuary Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    where? i've never seen this before. not ONCE has a bm held aggro on me. herc does ok unless i decide to use a skill. barb is best at keeping aggro but even then demon spark + stunning arrow normally takes it back. never has a bm ever held aggro on me. make an avatar on Sanctuary and prove me wrong. until then, no.
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  • FrostKiller - Sanctuary
    FrostKiller - Sanctuary Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    either go with friends where its priority or go with fac where there are drop rules.

    Btw tech im up for an aggro war if you want, pm me we'll 1-1
  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I've never lost aggro to a BM before. Ever. I've been in TT3-3 and FCC with BMs 100+, and they never hold aggro on me.

    I can hold agro for about hmmm 10 seconds against a BM with decently refined Lunar claws/TT100 fists. All tho my bow is only +10. Maybe if it was +12 i would be able to hold agro for 30 seconds b:chuckle.

    No one can hold agro against someone that comes close to 5.0 atk/sec.
  • Technotic - Sanctuary
    Technotic - Sanctuary Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    FrostKiller - Sanctuary wrote: »
    either go with friends where its priority or go with fac where there are drop rules.

    Btw tech im up for an aggro war if you want, pm me we'll 1-1

    we'd kill the boss before aggro even gets decided XD

    My equip is only like +2. weapon, cape, boots are +5. in every fb/bh/tt i've been in, i've never seen a bm hold aggro on me when i'm putting any kind of effort into it. normally I carry a level 80 bow with lvl 1 arrows around with me so I don't rob from others. and even then i have to stop here and there to not steal

    but im sure if some BM came around with TT100fists/Lunar claws with high refinements(anything over 5), and pumped up to 5.0 attack/sec, and we just started fighting, the bm would hold aggro for a good 30 seconds. but once the speed dies, i'd take it back. although TT100 does look scary XD
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  • FrostKiller - Sanctuary
    FrostKiller - Sanctuary Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    1-2 chin then? or 1-3. ill sub it xD
  • Slivaf - Dreamweaver
    Slivaf - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,106 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    I can steal ? bosses in TT from venos and archers. *shrug*


    Anyway, back on topic, the OP's system is just way too complicated. Distribute evenly except when agreed upon. All terms of a run should be known and acknowledged BEFORE the run even starts.

    I agree it is complicated, but meh, here's how I see it.

    First Round: Normal way (Barb, cleric, Dd by level)
    Second Round: Lowest to Highest
    Third Round: Highest to Lowest

    Also constructive criticism ftw! MUCH more likely to get a 'dignified' response from me. =x
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  • Technotic - Sanctuary
    Technotic - Sanctuary Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    before every run i do, we set rules. who needs what and the cost of it. if everyone doesn't care, we just set to random(mostly on lunar runs). if people just want coin, i'll collect all and sell, then mail coin later. if they want specific items such as GBA or EMS in a TT3-1, that person would get the GBA and thats it, the rest is equalized between us. As long as everyone gets the same split.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Also constructive criticism ftw! MUCH more likely to get a 'dignified' response from me. =x

    We would give you constructive critisism if random squads were ready to move away from the "tank-cleric-DDs by level" distribution. I can tell you, they aren't. If they barely let a BM tank, how on earth they would change the drop share?
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  • Technotic - Sanctuary
    Technotic - Sanctuary Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    **** it, best squad ever = Veno(Herc), Cleric, Powerful DD. 3 people, split 3 ways. If you're a Veno with Herc though, you could just solo. Although it would take forever....

    I've been doing Veno(Herc), Cleric, Me, over and over the past few days. its worked lovely each time, never taking more than a couple hours(TT3-1), and we each profit 3-4 mil off of it.
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  • FooFooKity - Heavens Tear
    FooFooKity - Heavens Tear Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Find some friends who all agree "need before greed" and everyone is getting their gear and possibly making a small profit including those with higher costs to do TTs. The way it works is simple each person pick a different item of armor or weapon to work on making, each person in the squad who needs mat gets those mats if there is more than one who needs split them equally between those who "need" not want the mat. Round robin the rest of the mats that aren't needed by folks in the party.Any gold mats that drop can be sold and the coin split amongst folks there. I've done loads of TTs this way with friends and guildies alike and it works and everyone is happy.
  • Technotic - Sanctuary
    Technotic - Sanctuary Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Simple and perfect, I love it.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    FooFooKity - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Find some friends who all agree "need before greed" and everyone is getting their gear and possibly making a small profit including those with higher costs to do TTs. The way it works is simple each person pick a different item of armor or weapon to work on making, each person in the squad who needs mat gets those mats if there is more than one who needs split them equally between those who "need" not want the mat. Round robin the rest of the mats that aren't needed by folks in the party.Any gold mats that drop can be sold and the coin split amongst folks there. I've done loads of TTs this way with friends and guildies alike and it works and everyone is happy.

    This. As you said, if some certain mat drops, everyone can be sure they get what they need. Not what they are left with.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »
    we'd kill the boss before aggro even gets decided XD

    My equip is only like +2. weapon, cape, boots are +5. in every fb/bh/tt i've been in, i've never seen a bm hold aggro on me when i'm putting any kind of effort into it. normally I carry a level 80 bow with lvl 1 arrows around with me so I don't rob from others. and even then i have to stop here and there to not steal

    but im sure if some BM came around with TT100fists/Lunar claws with high refinements(anything over 5), and pumped up to 5.0 attack/sec, and we just started fighting, the bm would hold aggro for a good 30 seconds. but once the speed dies, i'd take it back. although TT100 does look scary XD

    Right NOW, I'm in Nirvana with 102 wiz with +10 TT99 gold, 101 wiz with TT99 gold, and a 101 EA with +10 cv bow. I *was* holding aggro just fine until I stopped 3 sparking to write these posts. lol

    I really need to refine these claws higher. >.<

    EDIT: Oh, btw, I have no problem holding aggro when they triple spark either as long as they don't do it during the initial few seconds of starting.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Right NOW, I'm in Nirvana with 102 wiz with +10 TT99 gold, 101 wiz with TT99 gold, and a 101 EA with +10 cv bow. I *was* holding aggro just fine until I stopped 3 sparking to write these posts. lol

    I really need to refine these claws higher. >.<

    EDIT: Oh, btw, I have no problem holding aggro when they triple spark either as long as they don't do it during the initial few seconds of starting.

    Are you sure they weren't holding back? I bet they were, in case you were tanking.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Are you sure they weren't holding back? I bet they were, in case you were tanking.

    Umm.. if you call 3 10x DD triple sparking and pulling ultis while I'm tanking, then yes, they were holding back completely. lol
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  • Redmenace - Heavens Tear
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear Posts: 908 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    I rarely look at my damage log. I play often enough in squad situations where I know when my dragons are better suited than my hell spark.

    I really shouldn't have to tell you when you need to bite or turtle, should I?

    I'm not trying to tell you how to play your char.

    *You* were the one who responded to a "TT distrobution is unfair whaaa" thread with "I'm bad@ss, look at me!".

    Back to topic, how do you distribute mats?

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  • Cheetoz - Harshlands
    Cheetoz - Harshlands Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Secuoia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So, subber>tank>2 clerics,

    i wnet to raging tides with a rnaodm team they go like its Tank>cleric>dd. Then iask isn't its sub>tank>cleric>dd anthen they say no sub only gets 3 mirages...i laughed who in there righ tmind would sub for tree mirages (on a random team) to later get crappy drops outragous (funny cause all us dds stayed quiet like we didn't know wat subs were). But yah people its sub>tank>cleric>dd
    b:surrender cause you know if pull tis mirges stuff theres not going to be any dds at tts b:chuckle then think aobut your charms and repairs
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I'm not trying to tell you how to play your char.

    *You* were the one who responded to a "TT distrobution is unfair whaaa" thread with "I'm bad@ss, look at me!".

    Actually you *did* tell me how to play my class, and I wasn't flexing any muscle, I was responding to this:
    Edit : I've been to a few TTs where the bm don't HF too. I'm not saying they can't deal decent damage, but I'm quite sure HF helps more in a full squad.

    I've been in many squads where there were people 10-20 levels lower than me. My triple spark would do far more damage to a ? mob than would HF amplifying their attacks. Nothing more really. My use of HF or hell spark is mine based on what I believe will do the most damage FOR the party.
    Back to topic, how do you distribute mats?

    All mats should be banked, gold, green, mirages and crusades. For faction runs, people who need the mats get what they need. For 'friend' runs they get the mats they need. For both, the remainder get split or sold and split between the rest of the party. For pick-up parties, mats divided equally unless subber or another is allowed to call specific mats.

    I personally cant stand people who dictate who gets what, it's a group effort and EVERYONE should be happy with what they get at the end of their run. I always try to make certain of that.

    I can't stand being in party with greedy people. Too many people are greedy when it comes to mats. Nobody should be left with **** mats or be left empty handed unless they opt out.

    I love to HH, and I like to make sure people who go get their fare share. Even if you're a veno and your ONLY job was to lure, amp and debuff, your time and effort is no less than anyone elses. If you do the job you're required to do, you should always get a fair share.
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