Useless against Assassins?

tbh doesnt really take much to kill you.....

uh....mayhaps...
genie out of their stun, close range aoe metal attack.....
stun arrow, normal attack?
b:sweat

o and pray that you crit and not miss/get resisted the whole time.
xD

Narukanikahn - Harshlands wrote: »

i r naru i has huge ego i r blinded by it gtfo, kill sins by stabdung next to a mob and use tangeling mire, knows out of stealth and they cant re enter at least until they figure out they has Shadow Escape.....and realize they has an instant teleport/stun skill...with a 35 meter cast range.....

b:surrender

Y'know, this is probably how I feel about Barbs that can actually hit me.

Restat to fist, get some interval gear and use domain.


No but seriously... if they catch you off guard out of stealth, use a skill like domain or something similar, then follow it up with wings of grace and spam close range skills or drop/run away and stun them. Once their stuns are on cooldown they're going to have to run or die if you play it right.

The thing is... people will always argue a Sin is easy to drop.

And they are.

The trick is catching them and killing them before they Shadow Escape and stealth away to either flee or to come up behind you and brutalise you so fast you can't even cry for momma. If they are also charmed you need to break through that charm and kill them as fast as humanly (elvenly?) possible before they do Shadow Escape, or use that marvellous teleport skill and stun your ****.

Wings of Grace is a huge help here, but it doesn't really last long enough. A sin has more than one or two stuns and if you ever fight a BM and have them catch you then you're probably already aware that if they have more than two stuns and aren't completely stupid they will simply wait WoG out and attempt to keep you at close range so that the instant WoG's effects end you're in a stunlock and you're dead.

Genie skills help to prolong this but, again, smart sins will wait it out - they'll attempt to kill you without their stuns and then stun you the instant they can.

The trick is to, basically, kill them before they kill you, and it's very difficult. Sins are pure bred PvP class and one who knows what he's doing has the upper hand against nearly every other class short of heavy armor sage barbs with so much HP they just wouldn't bother to try and kill it. The thing they don't have going for them is they're Light Armor (although then again, Ri$en on DW now has Nirvana gear... I'm wondering if the fact he's wearing the worst def and HP per refine armor matters with the stats on those gears. >> )

You can kill them despite their OPness. But it is by no means easy (when is it ever easy for an archer who wears the crappiest armor endgame and has to sacrifice a bit of dex for strength so that they can use fists, etc. etc?) and if you thought it would be easy...

you will sadly have to reroll and be very disappointed.

DarkHam - Harshlands wrote: »

I think the reason why they havnt nurfed the "OP Veno class" is because the Nix costs what, 200$ to get if you buy it? A pet worth 200$ BETTER be OP, or else it would be a waste of money.

A veno without a nix is the easiest class for me to kill.

What i'm saying is, a sin with "decent" gear and one who is 10 levels below me can still kill me with ease. And I have pretty good armor and weapon.


I wont reroll because despite what other people say, I've seen archers that are good endgame, and Im holding out hope that when they raise the level cap they will release new skills that will make archers stronger.

uhh...the piece of paper in my tome box is worth 150m which is more or less 300 gold converted to coin, and you don't see me bleeding people for 2k a tick. "it costs money" is not a valid excuse for something being overpowered in general because of how much high end gear costs anyway. (not arguing whether bleed is overpowered or not but just saying)

At 1v1 Assassin can only dream to kill Archer if Archer knows his char(Duel)
At TW little bit harder but still if you have pay attention what is going on on the field Assassin has litle close to none chance to kill you so stop whinning and learn you char. b:scorn

sins are op b:cry

first time i ever fought a sin was in a duel. sin was only lvl 85 or so and he won >.<

when i looked back on the damage log it read 1, 1, 2000, 1, u have been defeated b:shocked and i was like: what the fuxs

-although to be fair to myself, i knew nothing about sins, and took it easy cause i felt sorry for the little lvl 8x, and dueled him again and won xD

but seriously, it sucked >.<

Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »

i made a post about this, it got closed because everyone realized how overpowered tideborn is and Admin/GMs got upset QQ

Give it a couple months and then there'll be more QQ in Sin's forum cuz they get nerfed b:laugh

NonameWiz - Sanctuary wrote: »

Give it a couple months and then there'll be more QQ in Sin's forum cuz they get nerfed b:laugh

And right after that they will nerf barbs hp and give archers 20% more crit and release a 200k heal charm that has a 2 second cooldown that only cost 40 gold b:laugh

Camerlengo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No, it got closed because I got tired of your BS and made a few threads pointing out what is "overpowered" about the other races. Just because the Tideborn beat you in a few duels (which are NOT a good indicator of PVP ability)- or maybe even in open PVP, does not mean they are overpowered. People (ie: you) haven't found a way to uberpwn them yet, which makes you upset and QQ all. over. the. forums. It's nauseating, just suck it up and deal with it. The classes are more balanced than you think- Soulburn is a little excessive, but that's what patches are for.

The forum mods basically said "a plague on both your houses" and banished each of the "___ are overpowered" threads into the lower depths.

Your level 54 PvE server avatar does very little to make you a credible source, by the way. Perhaps you should post on a character that's actually got, you know, real PvP experience?

Personally I don't see anything about Psychics that's horribly unbalanced. I still haven't a clue, either in theory or in practice, as to how to defeat a similarly leveled/geared competent Assassin in 1v1 though. In group PvP Assassins don't seem nearly so powerful, but that's another situation entirely.

Brigid - Harshlands wrote: »

The forum mods basically said "a plague on both your houses" and banished each of the "___ are overpowered" threads into the lower depths.

Your level 54 PvE server avatar does very little to make you a credible source, by the way. Perhaps you should post on a character that's actually got, you know, real PvP experience?

Personally I don't see anything about Psychics that's horribly unbalanced. I still haven't a clue, either in theory or in practice, as to how to defeat a similarly leveled/geared competent Assassin in 1v1 though. In group PvP Assassins don't seem nearly so powerful, but that's another situation entirely.

I post on my highest character, so my LC Sin will be showing up in a little while... I don't put too much stock in the server a person plays on, anyone can give good advice or use sound and valid arguments- carebear or no.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Critical one-shot...well forget about those lol...do you see 9x archers 1 shotting each other? then it's not going to happen with archer vs sin fights...our skill damage is just not that high.

Not so much at 9x, but at 7x-8x it's theoretically possible. 9x I don't really expect to beat anyone in a fair fight, let alone one where the opponent gets complete tactical surprise. Also, I'm not sure what Thunderstorm maxes out at damage-wise, but that offers possibilities.

edit: Thunderstorm's apparently 728, x6 for grounded close targets, so call it 4.2k + 2%/dex. Realistically a genie might have what, 70-80 dex? Call it 75 so ~10.5k, /4 for PvP so 2.6k. That would make it maybe a 5.2k crit before resistance, which sounds like it'd be enough to one-shot an unbuffed assassin, or one that's been Thunder Shocked. Entirely theorycrafting here though.