Useless against Assassins?

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  • _Tsunami_ - Lost City
    _Tsunami_ - Lost City Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    First of all nice double post

    lol I'm sorry but you assume, everyone I know knows how little I spend and how easygoing i am in-game. it's YOUR server that probably has the most cash shoppers. When someone has paid a lot for their gear or taken a lot of time playing, it's pretty much bull**** to just troll them with "I'm sorry but time to reroll buddy" instead of making changes because no one wants to play, much less pay for, an imbalanced game except the few basement dwellers that like to feel like they pwn. You let this trend continue, you can enjoy your empty servers.

    I understand what you say and in part i agree, because the game is not so balanced as you think: how do i kill an endgame barb? tons of hp,charmed and able to kill you in one hit if he hit (and whit endgame gear + demon skills he hit and have insane crit % too) and better don't talk about wizards, veno+nix,ecc..
    But this is useless, this is a neverending thread...unless someone lock it lol.
    It's all thanks to the shoppers if we can play this game for free, never forget that what for us (players) is fun for someone else (devolpers) it's a job. Everything in the life have a price, a free game too have a price (your time, money and yourself, cause if you don't shop you'll lose the fight versus the shopper making them "feel good and strong").
    I'm not a shopper (bought just the wings :-P) but i don't blame who shop, they are the lifestream of this game and we NEED em.
    Coming back on topic all i can say is try to enjoiy the game, try to find a tatic, do a lot of tests whit a friend and use pots and all strategies possible, i don't want to teach you anything, you look quite expert.
    Maybe are not the other classes that need a nerf, are archers too weaks at endgame and need help from the devolpers...why don't ask for that? QQ it's useless.
    Have a nice dayb:bye


    P.s:yes i double posted,but that's an error,not a crime. well i did it cause i feel touched not by what you say but in the way you say, rush on people and start a flame make me go mad, that's all. Bye
  • Technotic - Sanctuary
    Technotic - Sanctuary Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited February 2010
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    _Tsunami_ - Lost City wrote: »
    I understand what you say and in part i agree, because the game is not so balanced as you think: how do i kill an endgame barb? tons of hp,charmed and able to kill you in one hit if he hit (and whit endgame gear + demon skills he hit and have insane crit % too) and better don't talk about wizards, veno+nix,ecc..
    But this is useless, this is a neverending thread...unless someone lock it lol.
    It's all thanks to the shoppers if we can play this game for free, never forget that what for us (players) is fun for someone else (devolpers) it's a job. Everything in the life have a price, a free game too have a price (your time, money and yourself, cause if you don't shop you'll lose the fight versus the shopper making them "feel good and strong").
    I'm not a shopper (bought just the wings :-P) but i don't blame who shop, they are the lifestream of this game and we NEED em.
    Coming back on topic all i can say is try to enjoiy the game, try to find a tatic, do a lot of tests whit a friend and use pots and all strategies possible, i don't want to teach you anything, you look quite expert.
    Maybe are not the other classes that need a nerf, are archers too weaks at endgame and need help from the devolpers...why don't ask for that? QQ it's useless.
    Have a nice dayb:bye


    P.s:yes i double posted,but that's an error,not a crime. well i did it cause i feel touched not by what you say but in the way you say, rush on people and start a flame make me go mad, that's all. Bye

    err..
    what does being a cash shopper has to do with anything?
    bad troll bad
    >.<'
    and what does, "Maybe are not the other classes that need a nerf, are archers too weaks at endgame and need help from the devolpers...why don't ask for that? QQ it's useless."
    even mean?
    do you mean that every other class should be buffed and assassins should be left alone?
    xD
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  • Ignation - Lost City
    Ignation - Lost City Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Every game that I played did have a counter to Assassins, for example, there was this one game where you can actually spot an Assassin if you had a pot purchased from NPCs.

    Actually, Assassins in that game did not have self buffs, your skills and attacks are related to your stealth, so when you use a skill in stealth mode, your attack gains a lot of power.

    But they did not have teleporting skills, and in fact, their speed was halved when in stealth mode, once you use a pot or anything in stealth mode, you are immediately kicked from stealth mode.

    I don't mind that Assassins can have teleport skills, but to sleep the target, stun and freeze him better than a BM can? that is what's overpowered means.

    Archers have a damage reduction when you are within 5 meters of them, explain to me how an archer can get away from an Assassin?

    Chill of the deep, maxed, you can have 30+ attack level? thats way too good for an Assassin.

    Infinite chi? that is...alot, so they get to be "sage" Assassins before 89? wow that is just dumb.

    Forcing yourself to stealth? Ok i really don't mind that, but to be able to use it, pop an apo pot, spark themselves, buff up, wait for the cooldown on their charms? explain to me how I am to kill him.

    Yes Assassins are squishy, a Wizard can one shot or two shot the Assassin.
    But that does not matter, because if the Assassin attacks you first, that is going to take a while because of the sleep and stun skills.

    You can tell me apothecary pots or genie skills, ok that is for 1v1, mass PvP, why the hell would i use an apo pot and a genie skill on just 1 target?

    Ok Assassins are meant to kill Wizards, Clerics and Venos, but to not be able to counter their moves is totally unneeded.

    Oh i forgot, don't give me that Assassin are squishy, yes they are, but if they sharded their gears correctly, refined correctly, they are able to stand a chance against every class in the game and pwn everything they see.

    30 Attack level with chill of the deep, i really lol at that. Reducing attack speed? why would an Assassin need normal attacks? no one uses normal attacks, to kill faster is to kill by skills, even a Fist BM sometimes uses his axes to drop a Heavens Flame and switch back to fists.
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  • hemoglobin
    hemoglobin Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    well in another game i played, archers and assassins didnt even matter. everyone was a warrior and if an arch or sin could beat a warrior, they pwned.

    edit: what im saying is, this game's assassin is like my old game's warrior b:chuckle
  • Ignation - Lost City
    Ignation - Lost City Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    hemoglobin wrote: »
    well in another game i played, archers and assassins didnt even matter. everyone was a warrior and if an arch or sin could beat a warrior, they pwned.

    I'm talking about balance, the game you played was idiotic.

    Just saying that we should have a way to counter Assassins, i'm not saying we need to have a big advantage against them, like they have against us, but something to be able to counter what they do.

    Thats everybody complaining when they didn't release their 79 and 100 moves, or even sage and demon skill versions. They are already sages with all that chi they can get, don't wanna even know what a demon Assassin can do.
    "It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
  • Transcend - Lost City
    Transcend - Lost City Posts: 448 Arc User
    edited February 2010
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  • DarkHam - Harshlands
    DarkHam - Harshlands Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Transcend - Lost City wrote: »
    This made me lol :)

    yeahh I met the Transcend from harshlands and got all excited thinking it was you
  • rikako
    rikako Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    but you know that theres a pot that might let you see sins?.. l
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    rikako wrote: »
    but you know that theres a pot that might let you see sins?.. l

    me thought the pots won't work since it only be +20 to awareness level
    and apparently having equal awareness still doesn't like sins see each other.
    b:surrender

    so.....pots only works for assassins trying to see other assassins?
    .....
    b:sweat

    err any assassins of the same culti level (and preferably same level)
    with the same level of stealth + awareness want to run some tests?
    b:puzzled
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  • Transcend - Harshlands
    Transcend - Harshlands Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    DarkHam - Harshlands wrote: »
    yeahh I met the Transcend from harshlands and got all excited thinking it was you

    I reserved the name the first day HL was open, but looks like people took the name on all the PvE servers b:shocked
  • _Tsunami_ - Lost City
    _Tsunami_ - Lost City Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    me thought the pots won't work since it only be +20 to awareness level
    and apparently having equal awareness still doesn't like sins see each other.
    b:surrender

    so.....pots only works for assassins trying to see other assassins?
    .....
    b:sweat

    err any assassins of the same culti level (and preferably same level)
    with the same level of stealth + awareness want to run some tests?
    b:puzzled

    As i know you must be higher to hide, if i use invisibility whit another lvl 63 he/she should be able to see me, so the pot should work (but i may be wrong, sorry but right now i don't have the time to test, as soon as i can i'll make you know).

    Well i my last post i was talking about cash shopper cause another user start talking about it, it's a normal "question - answer", i don't see nothing strange so please read everything before call someone "troll".

    About the nerfing: why the QQ threads are just in the archer's section? why all other classes are fine? i found something just in the wizard section but was "way to kill a sin" not "impossible to kill we are helpless, nerf nerf nerf b:cry". Maybe archers,and just archers, need some love from devolpers.

    About kill an assassin, if you attack use the genie skill to become immune to stun and once it end use elven alacrity (istant cast one spark needed, like the tele stun), attack whit phy from distance and spells when sin approch, in this way the fight will be "who hit most will win", but u have the 1000% evasion buff and another 30% evasion buff (dunno if it stack, sorry if i mistake) and archers hit hard too,the difference is that assassins had just one skill whit 100% accuracy (30 seconds cooldown) but the spells (6 spells) never miss... Awareness pot if he/she try to escape.

    If you get attcked it's all about your luck mixed good reflex: as soon as you can use genie skill to exit from stun, if it work fly away (teleport-stun have 90 seconds cooldown,you can't spam it.The other tele don't stun,you can keep fly away) make yourself immune to stun and try you best.
    And never forget about winged shell, a good defence that assassins don't had...

    This happ in real life too,who stike first strike twice, it's absolutly normal.

    I'm not saying that kill an assassin for an archer it's easy, i'm saying that it is possible but u need resource and probably make another genie, focus on other skills, lot of hp (+ rafin/citrine) and change a little your fighting style. Like assassins archers had a skill that give you all sparks, it cost 1k mana and it's not low but when needed you can use it and there are spark pots too.
    As i see archers can handle an assassin, simply will not be easy.
  • Dark_Kai - Dreamweaver
    Dark_Kai - Dreamweaver Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    lol if u wanna talk about OP sins, come to DW and fight Ri$en, lvl 100 DPS sin, sittin at 10k+ hp and wearing HA. b:shocked
  • Ignation - Lost City
    Ignation - Lost City Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The thing I can't understand is, why spend so much money on a PvE server -.-, does not make any sense whatsoever.
    "It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
  • GothicAngeI - Heavens Tear
    GothicAngeI - Heavens Tear Posts: 130 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ignation - Lost City wrote: »
    The thing I can't understand is, why spend so much money on a PvE server -.-, does not make any sense whatsoever.

    Because $ cant buy a back bone to play on a PvP server b:chuckle
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    As I understand it, an assassin with max skills gets +20 stealth level from a passive and +10 stealth level from their stealth skill for +30 total. You need an equal detection level to see them.

    This makes it impossible for a non assassin to see an assassin 9 levels less than them or higher... even with the +20 awareness pot from the raging tide officer.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    As I understand it, an assassin with max skills gets +20 stealth level from a passive and +10 stealth level from their stealth skill for +30 total. You need an equal detection level to see them.

    This makes it impossible for a non assassin to see an assassin 9 levels less than them or higher... even with the +20 awareness pot from the raging tide officer.

    exactly.
    b:surrender
    them pots apparently be useless for nonassassins...
    how broken be that?
    b:sweat

    also virtually noone can really get their paws on them since they has to own Raging Tide.....

    so.. um
    New Suggestion: Flares sold at teh Fireworks Dealer. (at least this will give teh fireworks dealer a use...)
    Cooldown of 10 seconds, reveals invisible targets in the area for 8 seconds.
    Cost 10-50 coin(s) each.

    b:victory
    that be completely fair since we has to know that there be an assassin there in the first place to use it and all.

    (me still want the range on teleport nerfed...being able to teleport from out of even archer range *AND STUN* be a bit too much...)
    it should be like both has a 10-15 meter teleport since they has 2 tele skills and one stuns for 3 seconds.
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  • Technotic - Sanctuary
    Technotic - Sanctuary Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    over-powered, and the devs realized that. they fumbled the ball on this one.
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  • _Tsunami_ - Lost City
    _Tsunami_ - Lost City Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    exactly.

    them pots apparently be useless for nonassassins...
    how broken be that?


    also virtually noone can really get their paws on them since they has to own Raging Tide.....

    so.. um
    New Suggestion: Flares sold at teh Fireworks Dealer. (at least this will give teh fireworks dealer a use...)
    Cooldown of 10 seconds, reveals invisible targets in the area for 8 seconds.
    Cost 10-50 coin(s) each.

    b:victory
    that be completely fair since we has to know that there be an assassin there in the first place to use it and all.

    (me still want the range on teleport nerfed...being able to teleport from out of even archer range *AND STUN* be a bit too much...)
    it should be like both has a 10-15 meter teleport since they has 2 tele skills and one stuns for 3 seconds.

    Me want the blue dragon nerfed, be able to one shoot a party is too much.

    By the way i gave you an exemple of strategy but nothing, i asked you why JUST the archer's section had so many QQ and nothing. I really don't understand (and probably i'll never understand) why people keep on PLAY something that make you QQ so much.
    Please don't say "we like it...i like the difficults...other classes are easy,ecc ecc" cause if it's so stop QQ now and forever.
    This should give you fun, but this is just b:cryb:cryb:cry. Life already give you so many reason to QQ for real it's dumb find one in GAME as well. I may be an idiot but i'll never understand it.
    This section have 3 kind of threads:
    1)best equip
    2)math
    3)QQ,tons of QQ

    It's ok, do as you like. Bye bye
  • Ignation - Lost City
    Ignation - Lost City Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Me want the blue dragon nerfed, be able to one shoot a party is too much.

    By the way i gave you an exemple of strategy but nothing, i asked you why JUST the archer's section had so many QQ and nothing. I really don't understand (and probably i'll never understand) why people keep on PLAY something that make you QQ so much.
    Please don't say "we like it...i like the difficults...other classes are easy,ecc ecc" cause if it's so stop QQ now and forever.
    This should give you fun, but this is just . Life already give you so many reason to QQ for real it's dumb find one in GAME as well. I may be an idiot but i'll never understand it.
    This section have 3 kind of threads:
    1)best equip
    2)math
    3)QQ,tons of QQ

    It's ok, do as you like. Bye bye

    That blue dragon is so flashy that you can be stunned out of it when someone sees you from 40 miles away.

    Don't give me strategies, just one teleport from the Assassin and he will be right in front of the Archer, since knock back won't knock him, the damage an Archer will be dealing is halved.

    So you say metal attacks?

    The Archer will be stunned, slept and silenced to death. Since both of the classes wear LA, the one who keeps the other from attacking will win.

    We are not QQ'ing, we are simply trying to find some balance.
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  • _Tsunami_ - Lost City
    _Tsunami_ - Lost City Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ignation - Lost City wrote: »
    That blue dragon is so flashy that you can be stunned out of it when someone sees you from 40 miles away.

    Don't give me strategies, just one teleport from the Assassin and he will be right in front of the Archer, since knock back won't knock him, the damage an Archer will be dealing is halved.

    So you say metal attacks?

    The Archer will be stunned, slept and silenced to death. Since both of the classes wear LA, the one who keeps the other from attacking will win.

    We are not QQ'ing, we are simply trying to find some balance.

    No if the archer attack first and stun. If i teleport i'll stun you for 3 seconds, but the other stun,like all other attack need to HIT you to have effect. Ok ok, it's a pure dex class so the accuracy will be high but (because people prefer to see what don't have instead use what they have, human mind is so weird sometimes) archers are pure dex too, whit an high evasion rate + a buff of 30% evasion + another one of 1000% evasion,istant cast. As said they can cast the genie skill that give you protection from stun (don't remember the name, sorry) and again elven elacrity (another istant cast).

    Just an exemple: today i duelled a lvl 69 assassin,you can see i'm lvl 63 now. Well the fight was full of "miss". Headhunt,skill that do damage and stun? Miss (his attack and mine)
    Sleep attack? miss (i hitted,he missed) And so on. But i don't have the 30% evasion, i don't have the 1000% evasion buff and i MUST HIT to give status!
    Archers had spells and no matter if they do low,medium or high damage,they will NEVER MISS.
    Lack of sparks? use potions or (if u are lvl 100) awaken

    About the attack that give silence: have you ever seen it? do you know how slow it is? please check first to write.


    About the blue dragon spell: u use it after the sleep spell or when you are unseen, so the casting time don't matter. It is aoe and the damage is HUGE, if you want to nerf tele stun, first nerf the dragon ;-)

    And once again, why only in this section people keep on b:cry ?
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    First of all evasion is a piece of ****. Realistically it has no factor in endgame PvP. Barbs and BMs rarely miss me, on top of their 100% hit rate attacks. I can turn on Condor and get hit 9/10 by high level archers with dual Lunar rings, and high level sins will pretty much have the same amount of accuracy as well. Saying your stun need to hit to stun is moot. So does archer stun, and archer stun is 90% chance to stun even if it does hit. No, archer attacks all have chances to miss, WTF are you on? The only things that doesn't miss is lvl 100 Bloodvow and Demon Lightning Strike.

    It's not even just archers complaining in this thread anymore. I'm not really complaining either, just showing where you're wrong.
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  • Ignation - Lost City
    Ignation - Lost City Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I can't sleep an entire party, believe it or not, BiDs doesn't become that strong until you get the sage version of it.

    On the other hand, if an Archer does attack first and stuns the Assassin, and the Assassin isn't killed, he will teleport to the Archer, stun, silence(sorry but every time I fight an Assassin, he does silence me, slow or not, he can time it) and freeze the Archer so he doesn't run.

    Some classes have been able to find a small chance to counter Assassins if they strike first, Archers are still in the process of trying to comprehend how to counter an Assassin. (This is what I see from this thread, if I'm incorrect I apologize).

    I've seen Assassins kill Archers in a matter of seconds, and i've checked both their gears and they look really good, I played as an An archer and I've leveled him to 74, so I kind of have an idea on what gears an Archer looks for and how he shards his gears.

    Using skills while being silenced and stunned? explain how I can do that since it is impossible. And to your information, Misty forest rings = 50% Accuracy.

    So no, both will not miss as much as you stated.

    Edit: Dang Quilue beat me to explaining accuracy Q_Q, ninja archer -.-
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  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    archers weren't any good at 1-1 pvp before the tide born, what makes you think you'd be good against the tide born classes?

    i remember the first week tide born came out, i said sins could easily kill an archer and then had a bunch of archers trying to tell me otherwise

    oh we have WoG you can't immobilize us

    oh we'll just stun you and kill you before you even get close

    our metal attacks and melee skills will just kick your **** even if you do get close

    lol now look at all of you, kinda funny =]
  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    _Tsunami_ - Lost City wrote: »
    No if the archer attack first and stun. If i teleport i'll stun you for 3 seconds, but the other stun,like all other attack need to HIT you to have effect. Ok ok, it's a pure dex class so the accuracy will be high but (because people prefer to see what don't have instead use what they have, human mind is so weird sometimes) archers are pure dex too, whit an high evasion rate + a buff of 30% evasion + another one of 1000% evasion,istant cast. As said they can cast the genie skill that give you protection from stun (don't remember the name, sorry) and again elven elacrity (another istant cast).

    Just an exemple: today i duelled a lvl 69 assassin,you can see i'm lvl 63 now. Well the fight was full of "miss". Headhunt,skill that do damage and stun? Miss (his attack and mine)
    Sleep attack? miss (i hitted,he missed) And so on. But i don't have the 30% evasion, i don't have the 1000% evasion buff and i MUST HIT to give status!
    Archers had spells and no matter if they do low,medium or high damage,they will NEVER MISS.
    Lack of sparks? use potions or (if u are lvl 100) awaken

    About the attack that give silence: have you ever seen it? do you know how slow it is? please check first to write.


    About the blue dragon spell: u use it after the sleep spell or when you are unseen, so the casting time don't matter. It is aoe and the damage is HUGE, if you want to nerf tele stun, first nerf the dragon ;-)

    And once again, why only in this section people keep on b:cry ?

    LOL at the 6X thinking evasion means anything endgame and that archers have "magic spells" like casters b:faint

    I remember back at 7X when barbs my lvl could be hammering on me for hours and it went miss miss miss.

    Somewhere around 90+ people will stop missing and it wont matter if you have 400+ dex and all the evasion buffs in the world. You will notice soon when pure vit barbs suddenly starts 1 shooting you with perdition or onslaught and you have that little evasion buff up and like wonder why the fak dont they ever miss.

    And archers metal skills are not "spells" its physical attack skills with added metal dmg so they do miss just as much as any auto shoots - besides demon lighting strike that never miss.

    Alltho i have no clue why people are raging over sins like crazy already. The poor class doesn't even have a single lvl 11 skill yet and no triple spark and their only attainable endgame-weapon that doesn't suck is the grade 12 Frost dagger. Atm they're gimped endgame. All tho maybe to strong at 8X against other 8X i have no clue since 8X in general, sins included really doesn't hit very hard <.<
  • Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver
    Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver Posts: 256 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yeah sins are **** OP. One 9x sin with mediocre gear comes out of invis an 3 shots me. He hit like 3k, 4k, +something. I have over 7k pdef selfbuffed. . .

    And the 8x sins are harder to fight than 9x BMs and archers.


    and sins with 5 atkspeed? stun+pull out fists = win. or maybe that's just Ri$en. i guess not all sins have +12 tt100 fists.
  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    See? Even an OP class claims Assassins are OP b:surrender

    Also, I still at least stand a chance against wizards around my level, if they're only self-buffed. And I've taken out wizards higher level than me through a combination of luck, genie skills, and all kinds of crazy aerobatics. Assassins though... I don't even get a chance to fight back.

    Ri$en isn't a member of the Assassin class. He's a member of the Cash Shopper class. There's simply no competing with them regardless of what class they happen to play. And honestly, if he buys rank 8 he can hit 5 attacks per second with daggers, which ought to be even more absurdly OP.
  • Ignation - Lost City
    Ignation - Lost City Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Brigid - Harshlands wrote: »
    See? Even an OP class claims Assassins are OP b:surrender

    Also, I still at least stand a chance against wizards around my level, if they're only self-buffed. And I've taken out wizards higher level than me through a combination of luck, genie skills, and all kinds of crazy aerobatics. Assassins though... I don't even get a chance to fight back.

    Ri$en isn't a member of the Assassin class. He's a member of the Cash Shopper class. There's simply no competing with them regardless of what class they happen to play. And honestly, if he buys rank 8 he can hit 5 attacks per second with daggers, which ought to be even more absurdly OP.


    b:chuckle made me lol, 10 points for you b:laugh
    "It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
  • _Tsunami_ - Lost City
    _Tsunami_ - Lost City Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I don't know anything about this guy, Ri$en, but in the way you talk about him he should be an uber cash shopper (as said i don't blame, cause he allow me to play for free ,but now i understand why he have the $ in his name :-D ). If you want to take him as exemple you need to put the +12 to a barb (hope to never face a maxed lvl +12 barb...) , wizard, PSYCHIC (why no one talk about how OP psychic are???) and more.

    What most of you don't understand is that assassins are melee class whit a LA armor... they work whit the possibility to give a lot of damage in short time, if this don't work we can just run away.

    Do you know why a good charmed barb is the wrost enemy for us? Not cause at a certain lvl can 1 hit us (and this is can be enought to call someone OP...) but cause we can't kill him is some seconds.
    Assassins skills are powerful ok, but had long cooldown and the buffs last for less than 1 minute (somo for 30 seconds). If we don't close the fight in some hits we are dead.

    Teleport and tele-stun are not ranged attack, are a way to istantly remove the distance but are not attacks. I you remove the possibility to give negative status (like stun) assassins will become the wrost and useless class in the game. Try to figure out: a classe forced to go melee whitout a good defence, whitout defence buffs, and low hp...what the hell is this?

    Bm can stun lock, had marrows and bell, high DPS and high spike damage.
    We have a base stun and like 5 seconds of "do what u like".

    As archers you have low hp and def (ok i'll not talk anymore about the evasion) but u can stun and slow and able to fight very good while flying. I think that to be a good pker whit the archer class need a lot of "personal" skill, it's not just a skills spam.

    About the wizards: well i know you can sleep just sigle target, but everytime i see that damn blue lizard i'm dead.
    Once i saw a video on youtube of a TW, a wizard 1 HITTED like 20+ people whit a single blue dragon! that's waht i call OP, not the ability to stun a single target!
  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    What you don't seem to understand is what a huge tactical advantage stealth, and being able to spark while in stealth, gives you. Not to mention being able to go back into stealth at any time.

    You talk about how if you don't finish the fight in a few hits you're dead. No, you're simply back into stealth until your skills cool down, then you get to try again.

    You talk about how archers have a stun and a slow. How do we stun what we can't see? How do we slow what we can't see, and what good does a slow do when the target can teleport to us instantly from outside our attack range? What good does flying do when our target can teleport to us instantly, has a 9 second freeze, a sleep skill, and two stuns?

    As for wizards... yes, endgame wizards are powerful. But it takes time to cast their ultis, and they are VERY visible while doing so. Plus, if nothing else you can see them coming and run away, or pop an apothecary powder, or use a genie skill. Finally, mass PK and TW are very different from the usual world PK. Not saying Wizards aren't OP, but this thread is in the Archer forum, no?

    As for videos... nothing can substitute for real experience. At level 64, you're barely into the midgame, let alone endgame.

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