Psychic's damage

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  • FadeHeal - Lost City
    FadeHeal - Lost City Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    i know this post is more all about psy vs wizards but yesterday u duelled a lvl 81 psy that was not an oracle noob and he used soulburn so i used winged shell double spark and sleep he never hitted me once and i won the duel with 55hp left because of his soulburn i think the key for clerics out there is dubbel spark,sleep,razor feathers and plume shot and you won^^

    we were both full buffed btw
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FadeHeal - Lost City wrote: »
    i know this post is more all about psy vs wizards but yesterday u duelled a lvl 81 psy that was not an oracle noob and he used soulburn so i used winged shell double spark and sleep he never hitted me once and i won the duel with 55hp left because of his soulburn i think the key for clerics out there is dubbel spark,sleep,razor feathers and plume shot and you won^^

    we were both full buffed btw

    hamster tip: your sleep/seal (Silent Seal & Chromatic Seal) can outlast their soulburn....easily.
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    so just sleep em after they activate soulburn on you and let it's timer tick out. (a little bit over 8 seconds)
    since sleep/seal last for a bit more then 33 seconds and the other one last for about 16 seconds.
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  • Swdgy - Heavens Tear
    Swdgy - Heavens Tear Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You make it sound like psychics depend on soulburn lol :P
    I (level 70 psychic) just start off with earth vector (79% 4.2secs stun) and spam my 3 basic skills after :/ I can get about 2/3 shots in if the vector works and the cleric usually dies in another shot o.o
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  • FadeHeal - Lost City
    FadeHeal - Lost City Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    hamster tip: your sleep/seal (Silent Seal & Chromatic Seal) can outlast their soulburn....easily.
    b:sweat
    so just sleep em after they activate soulburn on you and let it's timer tick out. (a little bit over 8 seconds)
    since sleep/seal last for a bit more then 33 seconds and the other one last for about 16 seconds.

    yes thats true but the sleep doesnt seem to always stay the 33.6seconds or 14.0 at lvl 1 sometimes its even only like 3seconds
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  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FadeHeal - Lost City wrote: »
    i know this post is more all about psy vs wizards but yesterday u duelled a lvl 81 psy that was not an oracle noob and he used soulburn so i used winged shell double spark and sleep he never hitted me once and i won the duel with 55hp left because of his soulburn i think the key for clerics out there is dubbel spark,sleep,razor feathers and plume shot and you won^^

    we were both full buffed btw

    and why u didnt wait for soulburn get out b4 do skills after sleep him....
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    hamster tip: your sleep/seal (Silent Seal & Chromatic Seal) can outlast their soulburn....easily.
    b:sweat
    so just sleep em after they activate soulburn on you and let it's timer tick out. (a little bit over 8 seconds)
    since sleep/seal last for a bit more then 33 seconds and the other one last for about 16 seconds.

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  • Szol - Harshlands
    Szol - Harshlands Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    its all about having sparks or not... but is there a class that aint dependant on this variable ?

    earth vector , psychic will , sutra clone, soulburn , disturb soul... thats some skills we just need to kick certain classes

    but there are classes we can kill without beeing full chi , eg melee classes or mediocre venos

    sometimes a bubble after psywill or stun/cc can be a live safer..
    its not always about raw power to drop the enemy in the shortest time period... its more of forcing him into the right state to make the fight have an end to ur advantage
  • FadeHeal - Lost City
    FadeHeal - Lost City Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Swdgy - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You make it sound like psychics depend on soulburn lol :P
    I (level 70 psychic) just start off with earth vector (79% 4.2secs stun) and spam my 3 basic skills after :/ I can get about 2/3 shots in if the vector works and the cleric usually dies in another shot o.o

    yes but here you have a big discussion we just try to not let u cast earth vector by sleeping you first (chromatic seal channel 1.0 seconds cast 1.0 seconds and earth vector channel 1.0 cast 1.0 seconds to) so its just who has the luck to be first will probably win(except of course if earth vector stun fails)
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  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Szol - Harshlands wrote: »
    its all about having sparks or not... but is there a class that aint dependant on this variable ?

    earth vector , psychic will , sutra clone, soulburn , disturb soul... thats some skills we just need to kick certain classes

    but there are classes we can kill without beeing full chi , eg melee classes or mediocre venos

    sometimes a bubble after psywill or stun/cc can be a live safer..
    its not always about raw power to drop the enemy in the shortest time period... its more of forcing him into the right state to make the fight have an end to ur advantage

    or its about raw power and sutra+ulty=1/2shot charmed ppl
    FadeHeal - Lost City wrote: »
    yes but here you have a big discussion we just try to not let u cast earth vector by sleeping you first (chromatic seal channel 1.0 seconds cast 1.0 seconds and earth vector channel 1.0 cast 1.0 seconds to) so its just who has the luck to be first will probably win(except of course if earth vector stun fails)

    or landslide to stop u from casting sleep spell and hope he takes to long to do it again...lolz
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  • Swdgy - Heavens Tear
    Swdgy - Heavens Tear Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FadeHeal - Lost City wrote: »
    yes but here you have a big discussion we just try to not let u cast earth vector by sleeping you first (chromatic seal channel 1.0 seconds cast 1.0 seconds and earth vector channel 1.0 cast 1.0 seconds to) so its just who has the luck to be first will probably win(except of course if earth vector stun fails)

    I don't think sleep works that well on psychics cuz of soul of stunning o.o

    I sleep----> you hit me ----> you get stunned for 2-3 seconds
    > landslide+ vector

    that is if I use soul of stunning and not soul of retaliation
    I usually use soul of retaliation though in duels because many people usually like to open with a stun and doesn't know what my skills do >.<
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  • Shealu - Heavens Tear
    Shealu - Heavens Tear Posts: 189 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    and why u didnt wait for soulburn get out b4 do skills after sleep him....



    some1 wiht brains Oo

    lol maybe the the idea was good on start, but if you knew the cleric skills better you would have know that the time in the description is a max duration time, so sleep can last up to 33.6 sec and seal up to 16.8 sec but it may last only 5 sec or w/e. But well that strategie still work coz soul of retaliation doesn t last long
  • kanel321
    kanel321 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Soul of stunning is horrible.. the chance to sleep is based on soulforce .. and that chance is so low. its soul of retaliation that will save you from sleep . cleric sleeps u an gets slept back .
  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Shealu - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    lol maybe the the idea was good on start, but if you knew the cleric skills better you would have know that the time in the description is a max duration time, so sleep can last up to 33.6 sec and seal up to 16.8 sec but it may last only 5 sec or w/e. But well that strategie still work coz soul of retaliation doesn t last long

    i was talking about when u get soulburn
    soulburn lasts 8sec, 8secs past fast, u just need to stop casting skills if u dont want to end battle wiht low hp or dead by hurting urself
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  • Hypnos - Raging Tide
    Hypnos - Raging Tide Posts: 1,235 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    kanel321 wrote: »
    Soul of stunning is horrible.. the chance to sleep is based on soulforce .. and that chance is so low. its soul of retaliation that will save you from sleep . cleric sleeps u an gets slept back .

    Soul of stunning is 100% chance to stun upon contact
    If you mean soul of silence, the chance get better as your lvl is higher, at my level is ~7% and it's 1 of my favorite skill atm.

    Soul of retaliation doesnt work against:
    -Cleric Chromatic seal (sleep) -> slow effect on cleric instead, but do reflect back to assassin sleep skill
    -Wizard Force of Will (seal) -> no effect, but do have reflect against [80] plumbfish when trying to seal the player, do reflect back to assassin seal skill.
    -Veno Amplify damage -> no effect, no alternate version of this skill

    either it's a bug or intended, the skilll just doesn't work right atm
    No wiz with undine strike on Raging tide yet to test on this skill but game developer need to fix some skills description and script.

    In future patch soul of reta.rd won't share cooldown with soul of stunning, will see if they fix the above problems.
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  • Thunder_fist - Harshlands
    Thunder_fist - Harshlands Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    sutra = pure scary
    because
    A: wizards hit like trucks
    B: they are hitting really fast


    )>o.o)>

    b:laugh i wana see u sutra as we use soulburn + white voodo also tide spirit is like a sutra for us and it ALSO adds damage. plz remember that ur vsing a human being not a NPCb:bye
  • CIoudStrife_ - Lost City
    CIoudStrife_ - Lost City Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    if the psy has a +12 lunar soul orb and a wizard has a +12 lunar wand the psy is going to do more damage with red tide.
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Hypnos - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Soul of retaliation doesnt work against:
    -Cleric Chromatic seal (sleep) -> slow effect on cleric instead, but do reflect back to assassin sleep skill
    -Wizard Force of Will (seal) -> no effect, but do have reflect against [80] plumbfish when trying to seal the player, do reflect back to assassin seal skill.
    -Veno Amplify damage -> no effect, no alternate version of this skill

    either it's a bug or intended, the skilll just doesn't work right atm
    No wiz with undine strike on Raging tide yet to test on this skill but game developer need to fix some skills description and script.

    In future patch soul of reta.rd won't share cooldown with soul of stunning, will see if they fix the above problems.

    Soul of Retaliation doesn't reflect a skill if the skill deals no damage. This is why you'll see a barb stun himself but you will NOT see a BM stun himself when they cast Roar of Pride. Probably intended this way.


    And SoR is much more of an end-game skill, if you ask me. At first, three second stun seems very nice, but after a while, you come to realize that, oh yeah, Soul of Retaliation deals damage based on your Soulforce. Just like every other Soulforce skill, it gets stronger as you level, and once you level up, it starts to cancel entire attacks, deals a fair hit to the attacker AND it'll reflect an ailment if the attack had one.
    Personally I've been using SoR a ****-ton more ever since 88 or so.
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  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Thunder_fist - Harshlands wrote: »
    b:laugh i wana see u sutra as we use soulburn + white voodo also tide spirit is like a sutra for us and it ALSO adds damage. plz remember that ur vsing a human being not a NPCb:bye

    But Tide Spirit is practically useless for a Psy. The reason being is because while other casters have high channeling and low cast time, Psys have low channeling and high cast time. Even with Tide Spirit, you'll likely see a 2-second pause in between each spell, and the -channeling duration isn't exactly long. Don't get me wrong; it has it's uses, but by God do I hate wasting two sparks on it.
    CIoudStrife_ - Lost City wrote: »
    if the psy has a +12 lunar soul orb and a wizard has a +12 lunar wand the psy is going to do more damage with red tide.

    Red Tide, to me, is a skill suited simply for White Voodoo. The damage on it sucks compared to other ultimate spells, and it's not exactly special for a Psy, either. I'd much rather just keep my sparks and use Aqua Cannon and Soulburn instead. However, the bleed effect doesn't get reduced by White voodoo, and thus it becomes one of your better damage spells if you're fighting in White.

    Other than that, I don't think you can compare Red Tide to BIDS. I'd take BIDS any day...
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  • Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear
    Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear Posts: 798 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Umm, necro thread much...

    Anyhow, you're both right... Sage BIDS will own Sage/Demon Red Tide what, 45% of the time with equivalent gear(if the information wizzies give me is accurate) and BIDS will do more immediate damage in either case, however total damage dealt with all +12 gear by Red Tide will be greater... but who +12s that much gear...

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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Thunder_fist - Harshlands wrote: »
    b:laugh i wana see u sutra as we use soulburn + white voodo also tide spirit is like a sutra for us and it ALSO adds damage. plz remember that ur vsing a human being not a NPCb:bye

    Nice necro.
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    And don't you know that most competent wiz can sleep/seal before the soulburn gets off? (it has a huge, obvious animation, and 3.1 second total cast time.)
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  • Anemone_ - Harshlands
    Anemone_ - Harshlands Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Hypnos - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Soul of stunning is 100% chance to stun upon contact
    If you mean soul of silence, the chance get better as your lvl is higher, at my level is ~7% and it's 1 of my favorite skill atm.

    Soul of retaliation doesnt work against:
    -Cleric Chromatic seal (sleep) -> slow effect on cleric instead, but do reflect back to assassin sleep skill
    -Wizard Force of Will (seal) -> no effect, but do have reflect against [80] plumbfish when trying to seal the player, do reflect back to assassin seal skill.
    -Veno Amplify damage -> no effect, no alternate version of this skill

    either it's a bug or intended, the skilll just doesn't work right atm
    No wiz with undine strike on Raging tide yet to test on this skill but game developer need to fix some skills description and script.

    In future patch soul of reta.rd won't share cooldown with soul of stunning, will see if they fix the above problems.


    You probably know this already, but the reason those moves don;t work against retali is because there is no damage with the effect.
    The skill only reflects effects that to damage along with it. Like sandstorm or Cyclone.

    If they ever did change this though it would give Psys a whole new dimension to pvp fights.
    (Reflecting a Cleric sleep or BM Stun would be deadly)
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