Psys, useless?

grava2
grava2 Posts: 0 Arc User
edited February 2010 in Psychic
I just started playing and picked Tideborn psy for my first class. but someone (can't remember name. played as a untamed though) said that tideborns were pretty much useless in parties, I just wanted to know if this has any meaning or what, I'd like to play in parties, but it'd be no fun if I dragged everyone down. b:surrender
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  • Selador - Heavens Tear
    Selador - Heavens Tear Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hey tideborns have their good points, very good ones too. And Im just speaking for myself here, but getting into a party is never a problem.
    We Psychics have alot of uses, for example we can tank some bosses with cleric support. I was just doing a bh run tonight and I tanked Pyro with a cleric healing me of course and it went well. Psychics are pretty fun and they make a nice addition to parties.
  • Saherra - Harshlands
    Saherra - Harshlands Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    i dnt see how pys are useless... i maybe only lvl 26 (at time of post) not only can i 3 shot mobs my lvl but also 3 lvls higher then me (with the attack buff on of course, lvl 3)... and as Selador we can tank with a cleric.. as long as you now your skils, and how to use them agianst the mobs your fighting you'll be nothing but helpfull... that untamed is jst butt hurt coz you can kill things faster
  • LiXiuYi - Sanctuary
    LiXiuYi - Sanctuary Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Yup sounds like another drinks the hateraid to me. Psy have a pretty decent amount of functionality in a squad. Be it support healing , canceling, dding, slowing dmg, pushing mobs, assist aoeing, or tanking there is always something the psy can do in a party.
  • Szol - Harshlands
    Szol - Harshlands Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    someone once told me , its agood idea to jump from a bridge -- well i did it -- not cooolb:angryb:angry
  • Szol - Harshlands
    Szol - Harshlands Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    got my point ?b:surrender
  • zayonx
    zayonx Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Example: BH without a psychic = 10 min
    BH With a psychic = 6 min


    Good DD's
    Empowered Vigor (maybe that 11% at lvl 1 can help alot the tanker)
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    zayonx wrote: »
    Example: BH without a psychic = 10 min
    BH With a psychic = 6 min


    Good DD's
    Empowered Vigor (maybe that 11% at lvl 1 can help alot the tanker)

    back up your examples with actual evidence...yesh?
    b:surrender

    well um....me think having a psychic would be pretty nice.
    They has some nice damage from what me could see and they do have that emergency aoe quick mini heal & a few support skills.
    not really sure how they'll do in RBs and stuff.
    (x_x)'
    though, from what me has experienced (when me had one for aoe grinding) me would prefer another wizard/archer.
    b:surrender

    hmm me think teaming up with one in PvP would be great lol.
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  • Vorhes - Dreamweaver
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    back up your examples with actual evidence...yesh?
    b:surrender


    The evidence is self explanitory a psy is a new extra mag DD add that with your current standard bh squad (archer ,BM,cleric ,Mage,venonow ) its obviously would make the time reduce in a Bh run(providing the palyers dont suck)play one, then have an opinion about em
  • grava2
    grava2 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Okay well thanks everyone. I just wanted to know if I needed to pick a new class but if what you say is true I'll just hang on with a psy for a while. thanks. b:thanks
  • Reico_M - Dreamweaver
    Reico_M - Dreamweaver Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Having played a wizard to level 78, and from playing this psychic to level 54. I can tell you Psychics are going to completely replace Wizards in squads. Buffs are better by far, Soul of Vengeance and Empowered Vigor > The +Water Damage Buff. And although we may not hit as hard, or have as many good AoE's, we hit faster, and have debuffs to hit bosses with.
  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Wizards are better than Psys. End of story.

    ಥ_ಥ MOAR.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The evidence is self explanitory a psy is a new extra mag DD add that with your current standard bh squad (archer ,BM,cleric ,Mage,venonow ) its obviously would make the time reduce in a Bh run(providing the palyers dont suck)play one, then have an opinion about em

    squads can only hold 6 people.
    -.-'
    you do know that right?
    archer + BM + cleric + Mage + Venomancer + BARB = 6.......
    how would we add a psychic to the so called "standard bh squad?
    b:chuckle

    and if you did know that a squad can only hold 6....you be saying that a psychic can somehow do such massive damage (and yet still survive without dropping dead from stealing aggro) as to speed up a by run by "40%"
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  • Vorhes - Dreamweaver
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Wizards are better than Psys. End of story.

    ಥ_ಥ MOAR.

    well thats proving your point that the channeling time of a wizzy is enormous compared to a psys and the magic damage is just practically similar.....(sarcasticaly)---> Sir you are without a doubt you are very right.......O__o
  • Vorhes - Dreamweaver
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    squads can only hold 6 people.
    -.-'
    you do know that right?
    archer + BM + cleric + Mage + Venomancer + BARB = 6.......
    how would we add a psychic to the so called "standard bh squad?
    b:chuckle

    and if you did know that a squad can only hold 6....you be saying that a psychic can somehow do such massive damage (and yet still survive without dropping dead from stealing aggro) as to speed up a by run by "40%"

    well if you had experience you would know a good BM can also tank too yah kno thats why i left out the barb ,it doesnt matter if its a brab or bm tanking. and yes i know ONLY 6 ppl can squad thats why i had it like this--->(archer ,BM,Cleric,mage,veno) <--- thats 5+1--->the psychic=6.......or to make you feel better (archer,BARB,cleric,mage,veno)<--thats 5+1--->the psychic=6......whats so hard about that to understand???
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    well if you had experience you would know a good BM can also tank too yah kno thats why i left out the barb ,it doesnt matter if its a brab or bm tanking. and yes i know ONLY 6 ppl can squad thats why i had it like this--->(archer ,BM,Cleric,mage,veno) <--- thats 5+1--->the psychic=6.......or to make you feel better (archer,BARB,cleric,mage,veno)<--thats 5+1--->the psychic=6......whats so hard about that to understand???

    that wasn't the point, me stated that as an attempt at reasoning how you came about with such a statement that a BH run would become 40% faster....(which could be possible if squads were.....7 instead of 6.....but they're not...yea...) since what you has stated be obviously incorrect....
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    and if you did know that a squad can only hold 6....you be saying that a psychic can somehow do such massive damage (and yet still survive without dropping dead from stealing aggro) as to speed up a by run by "40%"

    you would still have to vastly out damage any of the other DD classes....
    somehow me doubt that.....
    b:surrender
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  • Vorhes - Dreamweaver
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    that wasn't the point, me stated that as an attempt at reasoning how you came about with such a statement that a BH run would become 40% faster....(which could be possible if squads were.....7 instead of 6.....but they're not...yea...) since what you has stated be obviously incorrect....

    First of all i never said anything about it being 40% faster ,secondly i will repeat it again so maybe you can read it and understand (archer,BARB,cleric,mage,veno,psy)= (archer,BARB,cleric,mage,mage,veno) not much difference at all.......BUT psys have VERY fast chanelling compared to mage....are the wheels turning yet?


    you would still have to vastly out damage any of the other DD classes....
    somehow me doubt that.....
    b:surrender

    Well have you played one to find out for yourself.....i have and i know for a fact that archers are the fastest DDs out there ,mages are the slowest DDs but are still the elemental hard hitters and the psy are right in the middle with fast chanelling and high damage...
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Well have you played one to find out for yourself.....i have and i know for a fact that archers are the fastest DDs out there ,mages are the slowest DDs but are still the elemental hard hitters and the psy are right in the middle with fast chanelling and high damage...

    answer me question please....
    how would adding ONE psychic make bhs 40% faster?
    b:puzzled
    please provide evidence of some sort...
    mayhaps a video.
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  • Vorhes - Dreamweaver
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    answer me question please....
    how would adding ONE psychic make bhs 40% faster?
    b:puzzled
    please provide evidence of some sort...
    mayhaps a video.

    question? lol -cough- 1: unless you go and have a good psy in your party you will see for yourself ,2:If i could upload my brain to give you what i experience in a bh run i would so obviously i cant 3:where the heck you got this 40% from? 4: please if you would read what i said about the CHANELLING maybe you would understand but your closed minded on the subject so im definately wasting my time
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    zayonx wrote: »
    Example: BH without a psychic = 10 min
    BH With a psychic = 6 min


    Good DD's
    Empowered Vigor (maybe that 11% at lvl 1 can help alot the tanker)

    ^(o.o)'
    this be original quote
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The evidence is self explanitory a psy is a new extra mag DD add that with your current standard bh squad (archer ,BM,cleric ,Mage,venonow ) its obviously would make the time reduce in a Bh run(providing the palyers dont suck)play one, then have an opinion about em

    ^(o.o)'
    this be YOUR answer as to the quote....
    that apparently the evidence is self "explanitory" *cough* which would mean you are in agreement with it....and you clearly state that they will reduce the time in BH....which would mean you be claiming that they would obviously do more damage then the current classes.....

    and did you know?
    GASP videos can be recorded with free programs such as Xfire!
    =O

    now hurry up and explain, post helpful information, or stay out of this thread.
    -.-'
    now me agree having a psy is nice (since when is having extra DD bad or useless?)
    but the question be how useful are they?
    *from personal experience they be not that good for aoe grinding/RB....and due to me current level...there isn't any psychics that go on BH runs with me at this moment...which leads me to ask.....how good are they?*
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  • Vorhes - Dreamweaver
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    ^(o.o)'
    this be original quote



    ^(o.o)'
    this be YOUR answer as to the quote....
    that apparently the evidence is self "explanitory" *cough* which would mean you are in agreement with it....and you clearly state that they will reduce the time in BH....which would mean you be claiming that they would obviously do more damage then the current classes.....

    and did you know?
    GASP videos can be recorded with free programs such as Xfire!
    =O

    now hurry up and explain, post helpful information, or stay out of this thread.
    -.-'
    now me agree having a psy is nice (since when is having extra DD bad or useless?)
    but the question be how useful are they?
    *from personal experience they be not that good for aoe grinding/RB....and due to me current level...there isn't any psychics that go on BH runs with me at this moment...which leads me to ask.....how good are they?*

    1: i didnt post that qoute on the timing there buddy ,why dont you ask (zayonx) for the proof OMG b:shocked
    2: you said this did you? O__O (due to me current level...there isn't any psychics that go on BH runs with me at this moment...which leads me to ask.....how good are they?) .........i think you answered your own question there buddy .........try the class ...you do have a mind of your own do you
    3: they are just as useful as a mage but as i said fsater CHANELLING http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4NRe5uG5W0
  • PequetteV - Lost City
    PequetteV - Lost City Posts: 1,202 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    for now psy and wizard are really really close


    for now i think psy will be able to find party easyer then mage but we cant really say anything without knowing sage/demon and 79 skills


    good skill that psy have , soulburn , vengenance , empowered vigor
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  • LiXiuYi - Sanctuary
    LiXiuYi - Sanctuary Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I dunno about the rest of the servs but here no one has problems finding a squad. There are 6 spots, 2 reserved for tank and cleric. If you suit the need you get in if not you wait for the next one. Psys do have a bit more to bring to the table than a wiz but they both fill the dd spot well. White Voodoo doesn't turn a psy into a super tank but there are some situations that increase the survivability of a psy where most other arcanes would have to kiss the floor. Still each class has it's advantages and disadvantages.
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    1: i didnt post that qoute on the timing there buddy ,why dont you ask (zayonx) for the proof OMG b:shocked
    2: you said this did you? O__O (due to me current level...there isn't any psychics that go on BH runs with me at this moment...which leads me to ask.....how good are they?) .........i think you answered your own question there buddy .........try the class ...you do have a mind of your own do you
    3: they are just as useful as a mage but as i said fsater CHANELLING http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4NRe5uG5W0

    ........
    that be just sad lol...
    1. me wondering why you would state that: "The evidence is self explanitory" in response to me request for actual evidence.....that statement would suggest you has said evidence...which you clearly don't.
    when you yourself has no idea what be supposedly "self explanatory".....
    2. tried the class (me actually do make alts of every class to get a feel of obvious weaknesses..but never really up them that high & me get the rest *which be most* of me required information through pk/asking others of the class/observation....)....found it frigging easy to level.
    3. ya.....video of a 59 (?) psychic testing skills without providing actual damage and such.....not really helpful....me already saw all the psychic skills...

    okie....well at least me found out Vorhes just likes to post alot....and his posts contain loads of useless "information".
    well me am aware of the fact me can't really judge psychics since their 79 & sage/demon skills be missing still.....
    so....me will ask a specific answerable question....could someone provide ecatomb with information on psychic skills so me can project how their skills scale up in power as they level?
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  • Vorhes - Dreamweaver
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    ........
    that be just sad lol...
    1. me wondering why you would state that: "The evidence is self explanitory" in response to me request for actual evidence.....that statement would suggest you has said evidence...which you clearly don't.
    when you yourself has no idea what be supposedly "self explanatory".....
    2. tried the class (me actually do make alts of every class to get a feel of obvious weaknesses..but never really up them that high & me get the rest *which be most* of me required information through pk/asking others of the class/observation....)....found it frigging easy to level.
    3. ya.....video of a 59 (?) psychic testing skills without providing actual damage and such.....not really helpful....me already saw all the psychic skills...

    okie....well at least me found out Vorhes just likes to post alot....and his posts contain loads of useless "information".
    well me am aware of the fact me can't really judge psychics since their 79 & sage/demon skills be missing still.....
    so....me will ask a specific answerable question....could someone provide ecatomb with information on psychic skills so me can project how their skills scale up in power as they level?

    Dude lol seriously your going in circles saying one thing and twisting it up to fit your agenda now for the last time and im sure others have said this and if you truly played a psy that you openly claimed you would know that the damge of a psy is the SAME as a mage BUT the CHANELLING is faster <----you dont need facts for that and if you werent trolling so much you would go check youtube and find tons of vids with psys doing damage

    (well at least me found out Vorhes just likes to post alot) maybe because you havent payed attention to anything i saidb:shocked

    (could someone provide ecatomb with information on psychic skills so me can project how their skills scale up in power as they level?) if you want an answer for that go to another thread, the topic of this one doesnt fit your needs.
  • Asurr - Heavens Tear
    Asurr - Heavens Tear Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    a psy is about as useless as the person playing it. if the person playing the psy sucks then the psy will suck. if the person playing the psy is good then the psy will be good.

    thats how it works in almost all MMOs (except the ones that have flawed mechanics and OPed classes *cough*)
  • Saherra - Harshlands
    Saherra - Harshlands Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    answer me question please....
    how would adding ONE psychic make bhs 40% faster?

    umm dude are u freaking insane... 40% were that come from.. and plus hge said 5 classes (BM, Acher, Cleric, Veno, Wiz) leaving one stop open... why would some1 fill that stop with an other tank, when a FATSER dder can go there... a veno is only good for purify and debuffs.

    ive read your other comments, and u make no sense.. acutally play a pys up to BH, then go in with the 5 classes i said up there, then go do it with the same ppl, only leave the wiz out and replace it with a good barb

    its common sense to have 2 DDers (wiz and pys. 3 if u include the veno) then only 1 (2 include veno).. if you havnt got anything good to add theb get off this threat and go to ur own class thread you.
  • Nyrlathotep - Heavens Tear
    Nyrlathotep - Heavens Tear Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    For the BH's I had chance to play so far..
    this was the most interesting:

    Going through with 3 Psy's in a Squad ( 2 incl. me ) was a breeze,
    Any of the elite mobs could not get near us ( carpet bombing anyone? ), as the 3 psy's hit for approx. 15k every 1.5 second on our level..
    if any mob got to us, we were clustered together, all fire of Aqua Blast skill, terminating the few HP the monster had before it gets to hit anyone..
    followed by our weak heal combined if it was Exploding monster...


    And to add to that a fail BH run i was in (farren sereneti and his AoE) when everybody died exept the tank, because of his strong AOE, cleric healed the tank, while I was doing boom-boom on Sereneti OUTSIDE of his aoe range ( 29m Maxed two 1st Lvl spam skills.. )

    So i think they are certainly no usless clas...

    Cant wait for my Demon Spark!b:dirty


    And Vorhes, dont argue with MagicHamster, if u follow this forums threads,
    he always distorts other peoples sayings, ignore him....it's a Wizzy stuff..u know...
  • Risingson - Lost City
    Risingson - Lost City Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I find MagicHamsta disturbing with the way he writes. Is that some kind of identity crisis syndrom ?
    Risingson - 7x Psychic
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Risingson - Lost City wrote: »
    I find MagicHamsta disturbing with the way he writes. Is that some kind of identity crisis syndrom ?

    (O.o)
    lol wha?
    mayhaps b:avoid it be scaring you yesh? b:chuckle
    zayonx wrote: »
    Example: BH without a psychic = 10 min
    BH With a psychic = 6 min


    Good DD's
    Empowered Vigor (maybe that 11% at lvl 1 can help alot the tanker)

    Saherra this be where me got the 40% from.
    4 minutes out of 10 minutes = 40% faster BH runs.
    and don't be silly me am asking about the strengths of a psychic which would belong in the psychic class section. b:surrender
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The evidence is self explanitory a psy is a new extra mag DD add that with your current standard bh squad (archer ,BM,cleric ,Mage,venonow ) its obviously would make the time reduce in a Bh run(providing the palyers dont suck)play one, then have an opinion about em

    Vorhes agreed and claims that psychics be able to accomplish the claim mentioned before. me simply asked for evidence of this. (Which he obviously cannot provide.)
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    LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
    Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
    Waiting for...Hamster Packs!
    58% chance to get tokens
    41% chance to get an all class pet hamster....but they has already been freed by the magic hamster.
    1% chance to get ban hamstered with the message "Hamsters United!"
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Risingson - Lost City
    Risingson - Lost City Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    (O.o)
    lol wha?
    mayhaps b:avoid it be scaring you yesh? b:chuckle



    Saherra this be where me got the 40% from.
    4 minutes out of 10 minutes = 40% faster BH runs.
    and don't be silly me am asking about the strengths of a psychic which would belong in the psychic class section. b:surrender



    Vorhes agreed and claims that psychics be able to accomplish the claim mentioned before. me simply asked for evidence of this. (Which he obviously cannot provide.)

    I didn't say scary, I said disturbing. Why do you talk like that ? I wanna know.
    Risingson - 7x Psychic
    Indalecio - 3x Cleric

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