Rei's kinda-ok guide for Heavy/Robe Fox.

that would probably be a good idea. but to know for sure, have you tried http://pwcalc.ru/pwi? you can hypothetically create your ideal EQ sets and find out what that gives you in terms of phys & mag def.

and god i can't choose... i'm now thinking about a fate denial godspeed as well... heard that TT99 green won't be 'refinable' in the rumoured new refining system that is supposed to be introduced with the new expansion... >_> any thoughts on that?

i probably need to clear this up. according to rumours, the weapon grade will be refineable of some but not all weapons, in this case gold TT would be weapon grade refineable and green wouldn't be. yes it's hella weird but that's the rumour.

for now i'll stick with trying to get a fate denial godspeed. stats seem pretty fine and lvl 99ish will probably feel much like a literal 'end of the game' to me.

Obsessed - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well you know me Rei, I'm an HP ****.
I was just pointing out itsnot nearly as bad as many people imagine. Infact I've seen people shuttering at the thought of using "ye ole crappy Req Blade" When infact it can be considered one of the better weapons. I use a 99now anyways, though I kinda wish I went with Broken Dream. Mooooore HP! You really dont need higher matk, when a level 100 birds pecking at peoples faces. Just live and pewpew another day. Just spend an extra bit of money refining your weapon if you care about 10 points here or there. This builds all about money anyways.

edit: 6k+? We should be aiming for 9k-10k+(without buff)

I'm a hp **** also..hehe..i have 9k+ hp atm(without buff) my set only sit at +6 refine ^^

alright im lvl45 and a light armor veno i was wonder how much longer till i can try this build. And from what i read getting molds prolly isnt as easy as it sounds.
Another is that do i need to roll another veno and start out arcane or some thing?these are my stats atm:
Vit:9
Str:49
Mag:133
Dex:49
oh and i forgot to ask if i do need to roll an arcane veno what is they way i should stat.
Pus how do u obtain molds without going through DQ i see everyone has atleast 3 or more molds

alright now im lvl 46 light armor veno and i want to roll anothr veno that is a heavy/robe and ive tried many equations an theories in creating a decent one but no luck at all.
And inow i was wondering would it be wise to start at a low lvl.
Not to mention i have found a formula that does come kind of close
5 str every even lvl
4 mag 1 dex every odd lvl
butonly problem is by lvl 32 my magic is 62 which is should be 87+ str and dex are set( i use
arcane chest+ Heavy arms+ heavy legs+ arcane boots+ hp helments + elemental belt+ protection necklace)
but that magic is killin' me can u help?
also what if i cant get any molds?

very true thanks alot

Vensgard - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wow, I wanna see how 9k+ HP without buff is possible, could you show us an example of it on http://pwcalc.ru/pwi . Thanks b:victory

sharpsniper wrote: »

[DeityofRain_] (Level 100 Heavy/Robe veno) stats sit at:

(Base stats, no EQ add ons)
Vit: 114
Str: 159
Magic: 229
Dex: 13
Hit Points: N/A

(With EQ add ons)

Vit: 249
Str: 202
Magic: 259
Dex: 44
Hit Points: 9088(self buff) 11685 lvl10 barb buff, 12031 sage buff

20128 pdef fully buff
6938-7011 m. atk

Based on his Str he's not in TT90 heavy, and cannot wear Requiem blade either(Possibly be using Sensoid emptiness, gold frost wand, has good hp). Probably using some combination of lower level gear to pump vitality. I'm at just over 8k, but sporting tt99 weapon and such. Would be much easier with less stat requiring gear. I lost about 500hp switching from req blade to Gold 99 glaive. I myself could probably break 9k if I switched to the frost wand, but I do want SOME damage, lol.

Obsessed - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Based on his Str he's not in TT90 heavy, and cannot wear Requiem blade either(Possibly be using Sensoid emptiness, gold frost wand, has good hp). Probably using some combination of lower level gear to pump vitality. I'm at just over 8k, but sporting tt99 weapon and such. Would be much easier with less stat requiring gear. I lost about 500hp switching from req blade to Gold 99 glaive. I myself could probably break 9k if I switched to the frost wand, but I do want SOME damage, lol.

very good observation. I use tt80 gold set, sensoid emptiness. imo, I found the tt80 gold armor set to be most effective. to equip tt90 set or higher requires another 30+ stat at least. condsider stats cost , bonus given , socket cost,etc it not worth it for me.

Pro:
ton of stats to mess around with as you can see i have 250 ish in vit..hehe

the tt 80 gold set can easily be 4 socket with little cost compare the those tt90 and above which is insane to 4 socket.

i only lose a few pdef by equiping tt80 gold set compare to higher one, but i can easily get the pdef else where. as you can see i have over 20k pdef in fox

it true that higher armor set give more hp when refine..but that only on high refine like +8 and above..let face it..most are not that rich..my build work wonder for normal player.

i do lose damage to the tt99 glaive..but not by much if you look at weapon stats. as you see my magic attack is pretty decent.

if i refine my +6set a little i can break 10k hp unbuff, which will be hot b:dirty

FYI: I find that the OHT 94 rings have a higher percentage of giving more stats. My highest "ring" gives 11 dex and 6 magic.

Alright noob question... what are the aoe attacks in fox form?

im wonder since im a light veno should i continue and if so till what lvl ?b:surrenderbecause i play on harshlands and trust when i say the economy is out of fu.cking wack it would be impossible for me to get a reset for stats hell even molds cost an arm and a leg.
Anyway i just wanna know whats ur opinion on light armor?
forgive me for these noob questions but whats the best way for a veno (with no herc or nix) to make money(casue i really want to make this build plus i need to open lvl50 upply chest)? and is DQ worth it?
srry another question how do u get ur vit below 5 using a reset u cant go below 5 as a matter of fac u start at five

i'd put whatever you need in strength and leftover points in magic.

this build had less magic, thus less magic damage and less MP. something you should be wary about when soloing stuff.

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's not the ideal farming build. There's some bosses I cannot do without another venomancer's assistance, yet it's a boss an arcane veno can do easy.

I can see it!!! I see rei going to FF with some fail squad... rei's HP charm ticks... ticks... rei dead. then cleric complains after getting killed and leaves squad. then rei is left crying alone in the cold forgotten place.

Seriously, flamers coming here... What the hell? Are you all thirteen years old or something? Does it help you sleep at night to wander into noninflammatory threads with offhand remarks as though you're in some position to criticize people (you aren't)?

PW is a game, get the f-uck over yourselves. No one gives a damn if your build is better. Do us a favor and crawl back into your basement and continue living through your ineffectual videogames.

Anyway, this is mostly directed at the original poster.

There is one fact you gleaned over in your guide (or I just missed it?), and that is that Str > Mag in terms of damage output for the Foxform build, if we're looking at extremes.

I ran a whole bunch of tests long before you'd written this guide (I was asked to write a Fox Form guide for these forums back in Dec 2008, that never happened), but I found that a strength-based foxform veno dealt much, much more damage than an arcane. The general idea was if you pump mag more you can equip a better magic weapon and hence that weapon will have a higher physical attack, but strength takes huge precedence over the magical weapon's physical attack.

In terms of damage output, heavy is far superior. I mean even the foxform skills come from the veno's strength stat, and not in fact mag. The great thing about the arcane venos though is their all-round survivability (they're effectively 'light armor' like this) and, well, not running out of mana at critical moments.

Thanks for the builds, though. I'm thinking I need to put some more into mag and get some higher level magic weaps/more mana, but I don't know if it's too early. I've been foxform from day one (I stopped playing for about 8 months) and I've never once found it difficult. Never had survivability problems or anything, but according to your guide, the foxform tree doesn't shine until 70+. I look forward to that, then.

kenlee wrote: »

seriously, why do you care so much about flamers?

Because I don't think play style or choice of build warrants degradation, period. Also, it bothers me how petty and horrible people can be over relatively mundane things.

kenlee wrote: »

anyway, i think this heavy build shine at 9x or even 100. its very hard to find good gear with +stats and it will be always a waste of money on gear that you have to spend a lot and sell it for nothing after you use it. better stay LA or even AA on pve servers then restat when you get your endgame gear. as heavy, you will do fine (at least i did it) soloing bosses like drum, soulbanisher, feng but whats the point... others like astralwalker you will never kill them and for the others get a cleric to heal you. so i found out that i've spent so much on gear restat and what not when i could be just one simple build till 90 or even 100 when i can finally think about heavy.

I know what you're saying about equips, so I'm patiently waiting for endgame as most of us do. Just for the record, I wear the highest available heavy armor, and not wearing heavy armors from a few sets ago as some do. Still, I do agree. I'm not having any issues with this build as far as killing bosses, survivability, finding a party etc go, but yeah, the build will be better over time.

kenlee wrote: »

also this guild is more for mid-lvl, i want something more for endgame like lvl 100. someone here (deityofrain) said that she has like 10k hp and like 20k pdef and whatever when in fact i was looking and her gear most of the times i saw her in arch and all she wear is **** AA and even that crafted 2-3 stars. i've done lots of calculation with pwcalc and there is no way you can get that (full buffed ofc) witch result in this.. many ppl lie in this thread.

20k Pdef isn't farfetched. I hit 15k at my level when cleric buffed on top of my own Pdef + the Foxform boost. 10k health is a hoot, though, for a venomancer. Oh well, people lie in many threads honey, not just this one. :P