Take a Step Back

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  • Ninnuam - Sanctuary
    Ninnuam - Sanctuary Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    So he would be dead. Big whoop. Saitada's right. You don't NEED anything from the cash shop. You WANT it. There's a big difference. You need armor, you need weapons, you need skills. You don't need mounts, you don't need GAs, you don't need clothes and you don't need dragon orbs.

    And while gold prices are a bit out of whack, I really don't have a problem with it. While gold prices ARE effected by PWI, they're not regulated by PWI. They're regulated by us, the players, those buying and those selling gold alike.

    But yeah, as long as things we don't NEED are in the cash shop, I could care less.
    However, the line between novelty items and ingame gear was crossed with the anni packs. It's just so wrong on oh so many levels.

    I agree that people who charge zhen deserve to have some benefits yes. Easier leveling, no fear of dying, fast mounts, you name it. However, they do NOT deserve endgame equipment which requires months on end to farm.

    Putting the DQ horses into the cash shop was a bad move. A horrible one. PWI ruined an actual ingame achievement so many people worked hard for. Anni packs are inexcusable and show extreme lack of care for their player base, including their customers as well. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they started selling items that instantly level you up, give you 1k rep increments, or allow you to purchase (see wut I did thar? b:laugh) pre-made (dare I say even pre-refined) level 100 gear.
    b:dirty
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I've only bought one gold-and that was when ann packs came back. But all I'm saying is that its not possible to stop a whole server from buying gold.

    True. As long as there are fools in this world, they will be parted from their coin and unfortunately, they tend to drag the rest of us down with them.

    ~Saitada
  • Ceshiari - Sanctuary
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    So he would be dead. Big whoop. Saitada's right. You don't NEED anything from the cash shop. You WANT it. There's a big difference. You need armor, you need weapons, you need skills. You don't need mounts, you don't need GAs, you don't need clothes and you don't need dragon orbs.

    And while gold prices are a bit out of whack, I really don't have a problem with it. While gold prices ARE effected by PWI, they're not regulated by PWI. They're regulated by us, the players, those buying and those selling gold alike.

    But yeah, as long as things we don't NEED are in the cash shop, I could care less.
    However, the line between novelty items and ingame gear was crossed with the anni packs. It's just so wrong on oh so many levels.

    I agree that people who charge zhen deserve to have some benefits yes. Easier leveling, no fear of dying, fast mounts, you name it. However, they do NOT deserve endgame equipment which requires months on end to farm.

    Putting the DQ horses into the cash shop was a bad move. A horrible one. PWI ruined an actual ingame achievement so many people worked hard for. Anni packs are inexcusable and show extreme lack of care for their player base, including their customers as well. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they started selling items that instantly level you up, give you 1k rep increments, or allow you to purchase (see wut I did thar? b:laugh) pre-made (dare I say even pre-refined) level 100 gear.


    Dead barbs all over the place means you, mr. cleric, gets to tank the bosses/waves.

    Have fun! b:victory
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • RA_Dragon - Lost City
    RA_Dragon - Lost City Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I know. But sometimes you just have to try even when you know nobody will want to understand.

    ~Saitada

    Saitada makes alot more sense than most of the other posts on this thread. What she says is very simple. Stop buying gold for 700k (or whatever it is nowadays) and sellers are gona drop their prices. People just see Duke shouting that {insert player name here} has just recently aquired {insert Anni Pack Item here}, they get Jealous and go out to buy gold from AH. hell even i fell victum to it for a while. But then I realized that the prices are too rediclous, and i said **** it. No more of this ****.
    Saitada is one smart cookie. b:victory You guys should listen to what she has to say. She speaks the truth.
    P.S. PvP needs just makes gold prices really bad. i saw someone trying to sell Guardian Scrolls at 150k per. Utterly rediculous.
    Retired EA (Lv 100) - Sept. 4, 2010
    Was a good run PWI :)
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    So he would be dead. Big whoop. Saitada's right. You don't NEED anything from the cash shop. You WANT it. There's a big difference. You need armor, you need weapons, you need skills. You don't need mounts, you don't need GAs, you don't need clothes and you don't need dragon orbs.

    And while gold prices are a bit out of whack, I really don't have a problem with it. While gold prices ARE effected by PWI, they're not regulated by PWI. They're regulated by us, the players, those buying and those selling gold alike.

    But yeah, as long as things we don't NEED are in the cash shop, I could care less.
    However, the line between novelty items and ingame gear was crossed with the anni packs. It's just so wrong on oh so many levels.

    I agree that people who charge zhen deserve to have some benefits yes. Easier leveling, no fear of dying, fast mounts, you name it. However, they do NOT deserve endgame equipment which requires months on end to farm.

    Putting the DQ horses into the cash shop was a bad move. A horrible one. PWI ruined an actual ingame achievement so many people worked hard for. Anni packs are inexcusable and show extreme lack of care for their player base, including their customers as well. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they started selling items that instantly level you up, give you 1k rep increments, or allow you to purchase (see wut I did thar? b:laugh) pre-made (dare I say even pre-refined) level 100 gear.

    I agree. They really should not have added items that are part of in game quests like the Violet Lightning. I was perfectly willing to grind the coin and the Dragon Quests to get one, but my greed (and I admit it) was seeing it in the cash shop so I bought it.

    Putting the things in they have in the last few months or so since I was away is just real bad because they ultimately destroy the game. I play to have a sense of accomplishment usually (although riding that Violet Lightning still kicks ****). Being able to buy my way through the game with little or no effort just strikes me as kinda backwards.

    Even with my Herc and Nix I felt PWI was pushing the line a bit. But seems they pushed it, looked at it, said **** this, and jumped forty feet beyond it.

    ~Saitada
  • Prowler - Heavens Tear
    Prowler - Heavens Tear Posts: 121 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Basically its our fault for buying gold at high prices? What happens if the gold sellers decide to sell gold at a lower price, then we would be able to buy it at a lower price, and price of gold drops.

    If you want to help bring gold price down, sell it lower. We cant NOT buy gold.

    I just tried a small experiment. I sold one gold at 400k. Guess how long it took for that gold to disappear, and for ONE gold to appear at 524,800? Two clicks of the refresh button.

    I can just see how brilliant your suggestion is. I hope you aren't finance manager for your family grocery funds.
    --
    Prowler (Venomancer) on Heaven's Tear

    Former Leader of QuestSeek: International level 3 faction.
  • chelseacrafter
    chelseacrafter Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    For those of you TLDR ppl... here's my version in my own words...

    The large amount of non-paying players are burdening both the company & the paying players.

    Most people are blaming the company by mistake when they really have no choice. (Plz ppl stop blaming GM's who are customer service representatives & do not make executive decesions... they are employees)

    Hint 1:
    businesses are supposed to make profits & be able to reinvest in expansion of their company... that is not wrong or bad

    Hint 2:
    stockholders of a company that is not making good profits will divest it. In simple terms... they'd sell out & abandon ship & shut PWI down

    CONCLUSION:
    Rather than hurling insults & demanding that PWI do things that would run the company out of business & thus end the game we all love... aim your focus at the real cause of the problems. Unless you have experience in the executive or administrative branches of a large company, stop thinking you know it's all just about greed & PWI is out to get you.

    At the end of the day if you just can't reconcile the decisions made by the OWNERS of the FREE game that ALLOW you to enjoy it... Please just leave so the rest of us can enjoy it. Playing PWI is a PRIVILEGE... it's not a fundamental human right. b:chuckle
  • BrawlerBarb - Heavens Tear
    BrawlerBarb - Heavens Tear Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Dead barbs all over the place means you, mr. cleric, gets to tank the bosses/waves.

    Have fun! b:victory

    I get the feeling we barbs are too full of ourselves sometimes. Are we indispensable? Not in the least. Are we irritating the hell out of every other class with our attitude? You bet!
  • Mischievous - Sanctuary
    Mischievous - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    If you didn't bother to read it, then you should of kept your mouth shut and not posted. If you had bothered to read it, then you would have had a clue, but it is obvious you have no clue, so.. go get a clue, until then.. STFU.

    ~Saitada

    "Take a Step Back... And relax a bit. Are you upset? yes? ok that is alright, but too let your anger control you is not. Take a deep breath. Slowly. Now another. Yes, slowly. Keep doing this until your blood preasure drops to a more reasonable and healthier level." - Saitada

    b:chuckle
  • Ninnuam - Sanctuary
    Ninnuam - Sanctuary Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Dead barbs all over the place means you, mr. cleric, gets to tank the bosses/waves.

    Have fun! b:victory

    Heh, you'd be surprised at the things I tanked ;)

    But back to the point, charms and rebirth runs aren't needed. Granted, they make things easier, which is why they are wanted. Everything can be tanked without a charm. A charm makes it easier, safer, and gives more room for mistakes or more exotic squad setups. But it's far from being needed.

    I've done a 2-3 AE run with no deaths and no charms. I've done a 2-3 AE run where I died 10 times while charmed. Granted the first was in a kickass squad where we canceled every single aggro switch, the latter was in a fail squad while I was somewhat drunk and stoned out of my mind. But you get the point. It CAN be done. So can rebirth.
    b:dirty
  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I just tried a small experiment. I sold one gold at 400k. Guess how long it took for that gold to disappear, and for ONE gold to appear at 524,800? Two clicks of the refresh button.

    I can just see how brilliant your suggestion is. I hope you aren't finance manager for your family grocery funds.
    Try selling 8,000 gold at 400k each. Once thats gone, try selling another 8,000 at 300k each. By the time they all dissapear,other people will start so sell their gold cheaper.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Thank you Forsakenx for the picture. b:thanks
  • Ceshiari - Sanctuary
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I just tried a small experiment. I sold one gold at 400k. Guess how long it took for that gold to disappear, and for ONE gold to appear at 524,800? Two clicks of the refresh button.

    I can just see how brilliant your suggestion is. I hope you aren't finance manager for your family grocery funds.

    point in case has been served.

    /endthreadsequence
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Dividend - Sanctuary
    Dividend - Sanctuary Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Again, it only works if you are willing to pay that high a price. By paying it, you continue to support the high price. by refusing to pay it, the price will then be forced to drop.

    YOU control the gold prices. If you don't buy the gold.. guess what happens?

    Yup that is right.. the prices will drop. If every gold buyer refused to pay more than 150k for gold, the price of gld would remain stable at 150k. But.. you have people with more coin the good sense and you guessed it... they make zhen buyers wallets very very very fat.

    ~Saitada

    1 person controls nothing
  • Ceshiari - Sanctuary
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Heh, you'd be surprised at the things I tanked ;)

    But back to the point, charms and rebirth runs aren't needed. Granted, they make things easier, which is why they are wanted. Everything can be tanked without a charm. A charm makes it easier, safer, and gives more room for mistakes or more exotic squad setups. But it's far from being needed.

    I've done a 2-3 AE run with no deaths and no charms. I've done a 2-3 AE run where I died 10 times while charmed. Granted the first was in a kickass squad where we canceled every single aggro switch, the latter was in a fail squad while I was somewhat drunk and stoned out of my mind. But you get the point. It CAN be done. So can rebirth.

    your so full of it, you almost sound like you convinced yourself.

    my main was a 95 cleric, heavy vit build. I know what clerics can and cannot tank, because I was infamous for pulling aggro from everyone and tanking bosses and mobs myself. But I would LOVE to see you run out in the middle of stage 9 of delta and tank that wave without a charm. Or tank AE without a charm and survive if you happened to misstep his AOE.

    Youve apparently NEVER played a barb. Charms are a necessity. ESPECIALLY in rebirth.

    Your argument is obviously flawed, and you are tripping over your own need to uproot mine.
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  • Ninnuam - Sanctuary
    Ninnuam - Sanctuary Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    point in case has been served.

    /endthreadsequence
    I just tried a small experiment. I sold one gold at 400k. Guess how long it took for that gold to disappear, and for ONE gold to appear at 524,800? Two clicks of the refresh button.

    I can just see how brilliant your suggestion is. I hope you aren't finance manager for your family grocery funds.

    Bravo! Now put 100 gold at 450k. 200 gold at 400k. 700 gold at 300k.

    I REALLY wouldn't want to wait and see how long it takes the next person to try and sell gold for 400k after that.

    Allow me to use an ingame example. You have 2 catshops. Shop A is selling 500 pieces of lumber for 5k. Shop B is selling 1 lumber for 3k.

    What happens? Either a customer buys your lumber for 3k and the rest for 5k, or shop A buys your 3k lumber and resells for 5k.

    Now if instead of trying to sell a single piece of cheap lumber, you put 1000 lumber on sale for 3k, shop A wouldn't have much choice but to lower their price down to 3k as well.

    That is of course, assuming shop A doesn't have enough capital to buy all of your lumber and resell it, hoping to maintain monopoly on the lumber market. Which is why it takes more than one person to stop buying overpriced gold.

    I really can't dumb it down more than that.
    b:dirty
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    1 person controls nothing

    1 person is 1 part of a larger whole.

    1 person changes nothing, is a fallacy.

    Many events in history were started by 1 person that had enough of something.

    While it is true 1 person generally can't change the course of history single handedly, it takes 1 person to START the change.

    Without 1 person being willing to START a change, then of course 1 person changes nothing and the sheep get led to the slaughter because none of them had the balls to stand on their hind legs and say I am a Person, not a sheep.

    ~Saitada

    p.s. I point out Mahatma Ghandi as 1 person that STARTED a process of change. Others joined in. And the events that followed changed the world.
  • Ninnuam - Sanctuary
    Ninnuam - Sanctuary Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    your so full of it, you almost sound like you convinced yourself.

    my main was a 95 cleric, heavy vit build. I know what clerics can and cannot tank, because I was infamous for pulling aggro from everyone and tanking bosses and mobs myself. But I would LOVE to see you run out in the middle of stage 9 of delta and tank that wave without a charm. Or tank AE without a charm and survive if you happened to misstep his AOE.

    Youve apparently NEVER played a barb. Charms are a necessity. ESPECIALLY in rebirth.

    Your argument is obviously flawed, and you are tripping over your own need to uproot mine.

    Sigh. I didn't say I tanked AE. I said I've done AE charmless with a charmless barb with no one dying. All it took was perfect coordination between squad members. Kinda like tanking cosmoforce with 2 venos. Miss a purge and it's a wipe.
    With AE it's miss a cancel/plume shell/spark and you're dead. I know the drill. Besides, his aoe doesn't hurt that much. Its the random aggro direct hit that does. I did tank wurlord tho. Can I has cookie?

    And no, I never played a barb. I did however, heal charmless barbs. If it can't be done with just me and him, get a 2nd cleric to throw up bb. Heck get a 3rd if you need one. My point is, you don't NEED a charm to tank a boss. TT ones anyway, can't speak for lunar since I didn't go past 2nd valley.

    And yes, I've done plenty of rebirth runs. I know what stage 9 is like. Still, I'm willing to bet my **** that it can be done with a 20k hp barb, 10k hp bm and some good coordination of invoke/alpha male/parasitic nova/stuns and ironguard pots. Granted, I don't want to and I'm not going to try it. Doesn't mean it's not possible.

    But lemme guess, your next reply will be "ur so full of it we need charms". MIRITE?
    b:dirty
  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    1 person is 1 part of a larger whole.

    1 person changes nothing, is a fallacy.

    Many events in history were started by 1 person that had enough of something.

    While it is true 1 person generally can't change the course of history single handedly, it takes 1 person to START the change.

    Without 1 person being willing to START a change, then of course 1 person changes nothing and the sheep get led to the slaughter because none of them had the balls to stand on their hind legs and say I am a Person, not a sheep.

    ~Saitada

    p.s. I point out Mahatma Ghandi as 1 person that STARTED a process of change. Others joined in. And the events that followed changed the world.

    Again preaching to the wrong group.
    working it Q_Q
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  • BrawlerBarb - Heavens Tear
    BrawlerBarb - Heavens Tear Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Bravo! Now put 100 gold at 450k. 200 gold at 400k. 700 gold at 300k.

    I REALLY wouldn't want to wait and see how long it takes the next person to try and sell gold for 400k after that.

    Allow me to use an ingame example. You have 2 catshops. Shop A is selling 500 pieces of lumber for 5k. Shop B is selling 1 lumber for 3k.

    What happens? Either a customer buys your lumber for 3k and the rest for 5k, or shop A buys your 3k lumber and resells for 5k.

    Now if instead of trying to sell a single piece of cheap lumber, you put 1000 lumber on sale for 3k, shop A wouldn't have much choice but to lower their price down to 3k as well.

    That is of course, assuming shop A doesn't have enough capital to buy all of your lumber and resell it, hoping to maintain monopoly on the lumber market. Which is why it takes more than one person to stop buying overpriced gold.

    I really can't dumb it down more than that.

    Excellent, you are a genius! I'm accepting donations of gold to do what you suggest.

    It really makes SO much sense, asking someone to spend hundreds of dollars of THEIR real money to bring down gold prices for you. If your idea had the least bit of sense to it, I'm looking forward to your doing it yourself, instead of preaching utter BS.
  • BrawlerBarb - Heavens Tear
    BrawlerBarb - Heavens Tear Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Bravo! Now put 100 gold at 450k. 200 gold at 400k. 700 gold at 300k.

    I really can't dumb it down more than that.

    No need to, it's evident how dumb you are. Any dumber would be a challenge for the gods!
  • chelseacrafter
    chelseacrafter Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I completely agree that anyone who's upset about gold prices should stop buying... especially those who have never bought any zen on their account yet.

    A couple weeks ago a non-paying player proudly told me, "It's not my problem you people are stupid enough to pay your real life money for me to play the game".

    So my answer now to that person & all those snobby non-payers who think they are better than me while I pay for their game is simple...

    LET THEM EAT CAKE

    Sorry no sympathy for the ignorant.
  • Ninnuam - Sanctuary
    Ninnuam - Sanctuary Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Excellent, you are a genius! I'm accepting donations of gold to do what you suggest.

    It really makes SO much sense, asking someone to spend hundreds of dollars of THEIR real money to bring down gold prices for you. If your idea had the least bit of sense to it, I'm looking forward to your doing it yourself, instead of preaching utter BS.

    /facepalm

    I was trying to explain why selling ONE gold isn't going to change anything.

    But since you're obviously suffering from a severe case of mental retardation... Back to storytelling.

    Once upon a time in a land far away there was a beautiful kingdom called Perfect Word. It used to be a beautiful place with horsies and ponies and unicorns. And cheap lumber. Yes, that's right, cheap lumber!

    The kingdom of Perfect Word was ruled by a good king Lumberjack, who was nice and kind and was selling lumber to his kingdom for 1 gold coin each. But the gods of Perfect World would put random **** on sale every now and then for no reason. Incidentally, this lead the good king Lumberjack to start ripping off his residents by selling them lumber for 5 gold coins each. The people cried and moaned but to no avail. King Lumberjack was determined to sell lumber for no less than 5 gold coins.

    Then one day, a brave warrior spoke to the residents of Perfect World. Dear friends, you've grown too dependant on the lumber the king is selling. I know you think you need it for firewood and **** but you don't! Grab an extra blanket to keep you warm! Eventually, if enough of you refuse to buy king's overpriced lumber he will have no choice but to lower lumber prices so that people start buying again. Because he's greedy and lazy and wants your money for drinks and hoes! You just have to be determined!

    Then the good people of Perfect World stoned the brave warrior to death and continued buying lumber for 5 gold coins because they're idiots.

    The end.

    Edited to make it comprehensible for people with down syndrome too.
    b:dirty
  • BrawlerBarb - Heavens Tear
    BrawlerBarb - Heavens Tear Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    /facepalm

    I was trying to explain why selling ONE gold isn't going to change anything.

    But since you're obviously suffering from a severe case of mental retardation... Back to catshop story!

    I will disregard the retardation comment, and wait for you to put your money where your mouth is. Go sell MANY gold cheap.

    As long as players can change two Tokens of Best Luck for 10 million coin, your brilliance will remain self-evident.
  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    how is it greed if you buy something you need/use daily? how is it greed for a cleric to buy charms that will enable her/him to keep her squad safe? how is it greed to buy a mount or areogear that enables you to do your quests faster and more safely? or do you do your WQs on foot everyday? must take a long time....

    buying gold from the company isnt the problem....its how it is used after it is purchased that is the problem. i buy things i personally use, not for resale. resale is the problem we are seeing. players trying to wring out all they can from other players. some items are basic needs, especially for the higher level players, other things, such as fashion, pretty mounts and so on, arent. for some, it is a fashion statement. for others, its dream fulfilment-when i started last year, i had two dreams: the beautiful white horse, and the dharma. i have both now, and they lift my spirits daily. those are useful things to buy.

    not all gold purchases from the company are evil... its what the buyer intends that is causing the problems



    Not that we will. Greed after all is insidious. "just one more charm" - "Just one more dragon Orb", etc.

    Anyway..

    ~Saitada

    p.s. I will admit that on the PVP servers it is probably a bit worse. The real need for angels etc. But overall it is still a player induced and driven economy.
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    -FrankieRaye"
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  • Ninnuam - Sanctuary
    Ninnuam - Sanctuary Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I will disregard the retardation comment, and wait for you to put your money where your mouth is. Go sell MANY gold cheap.

    As long as players can change two Tokens of Best Luck for 10 million coin, your brilliance will remain self-evident.

    Tokens of best luck inject more coin into the economy, decreasing the value of coin, yes. However, they do not affect gold prices directly. Coin boxes do to an extent however, meaning that gold won't go below ~190ish k ever again.

    With that being said though, the ONLY reason gold is at 500k is because people are buying it for 500k. Tokens or no tokens, anni packs or no anni packs. If you can't see that, oh well, your loss.
    b:dirty
  • BrawlerBarb - Heavens Tear
    BrawlerBarb - Heavens Tear Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    the ONLY reason gold is at 500k is because people are buying it for 500k. Tokens or no tokens, anni packs or no anni packs. If you can't see that, oh well, your loss.

    Finally you see my point - it is that people are BUYING at x rate. So no point railing sellers to sell at less. It won't happen.
  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I like your argument but look. We don't make the game. Basically what you're saying is it doesn't matter how well run the game is, everything is decided by the players.

    Not true. Game development is a tricky and skilled business. Human greed is something that exists, like it or not, and a game company needs to take that into account and factor it into their business plan. Feed the greed in one go, players get bored and the game has a life span of a few months. Feed the greed very gradually and you hold interest longer and keep going indefinitely. Players keep getting more from the game and are happy.

    Infact, what you call greed is NOT really greed. It's a simple human desire to have fun and enjoy a game. Trying to be "the best" is a desire to challenge yourself, attain goals, develop and improve. Wanting lots of "cool stuff" is the reason why we play mmo's. To take a break from reality and jump in a fun world where we can do whatever we like.

    No one plays a game "to be mediocre" or to "struggle along" or to "restrict and deny yourself from having much". What's the point? Why not just get a job and play the rl game instead. It's cheaper at least.

    The reason for all the QQ is because pwi should be giving us step 1,2,3,4,5.....and so on..... But instead they're giving us step 1,2,3......ah **** it gaiz.....94,95,96....And at 100 that's it.
  • Black_lce - Heavens Tear
    Black_lce - Heavens Tear Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    so wat makes u think a gm didnt start the rise of gold prices? it's kinda "odd" how gold prices went from 100k-400k right before aniv packs. thus more ppl bought gold w/ their own $ and less w/ game coin.
  • Pegasi - Lost City
    Pegasi - Lost City Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    It's everyone's problem. No one thing is to blame.
    PWI provides the limited time sale, thus driving people to buy before it's gone.
    Players know people will buy, so they price high to see if it will sell, no harm if it doesn't.
    PWI players buy the gold. It's either cheaper than spending real money, or better for them because they can't spend the extra 10 or 20 that could have been put towards utilities or necessities.

    As for cash shoppers getting an advantage; I use the cash shop, but I don't gamble and thus have not used packs, or the JJ event. On another note there is a very clear difference between advantage and not having to play the game. Thanks to the economy flux money is insanely easy to get; for some. Making mats, weapons, and all other things, insanely easy to get. People should be playing the game to get money and weapons and armors, as intended.

    Mounts, scrolls, and charms are an advantage, they don't give you instant win. And advantage makes the game easier, that's all, and that should be all. Packs do more than just a simple advantage; please find another word to describe it.

    PS
    If I'm not clear, last I checked all there really is to do in the game is PK, PKK, quest, make your endgame weapons and armor, earn coin, play with your friends, then there's cube and races and a few select other endgame things, but they lead back to earning rewards like coin to pay for stuff, usually better EQ. Why bother playing the game at all when getting coin to make weapons and armor is so easy? And leveling for that matter. The more I think about it, the worse it becomes. D:
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  • Arhil - Heavens Tear
    Arhil - Heavens Tear Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    so wat makes u think a gm didnt start the rise of gold prices? it's kinda "odd" how gold prices went from 100k-400k right before aniv packs. thus more ppl bought gold w/ their own $ and less w/ game coin.

    That's simple economics, really. The market anticipated the release of the packs, which drove gold up in "preparation" for them. The gold sellers knew that the packs would be in high demand, so they could get away with raising their prices, and people would still buy.

    EDIT: If you watch the gold market on a regular basis, you'll see this same thing repeat itself during the day prior to the cash shop updates. It's usually not that severe, of course, the packs caused a HUGE spike. But it does happen on almost a regular, weekly basis. After a few days, when the demand for the 'cool new stuff' dies down, gold prices tend to come down a little bit. The only problem is that the packs give away a lot of stuff that people need on a regular basis, so the demand isn't going to drop as much as it would with other items, like fashion & mounts.
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