Take a Step Back

Saitada - Sanctuary
Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
edited November 2009 in General Discussion
And relax a bit. Are you upset? yes? ok that is alright, but too let your anger control you is not. Take a deep breath. Slowly. Now another. Yes, slowly. Keep doing this until your blood preasure drops to a more reasonable and healthier level.

Now, we all know that while this IS a free to play game, it is supported by those of us who are willing to pay.. correct? yes.. Good, now that we have that base put in place let us consider another corner of our construct here.

I buy Zhen. Others buy Zhen. We pay to keep this game running. Yes, and because we pay we honestly 'should' have some slight advantage. So let us all agree that Cash Shoppers DO deserve to have some advantage for the money they put in the game. Good.. that is the second corner of our construct...

Now.. Many players buy gold through the auction house. This gold is sold by... people who buy Zhen. Yes that is right, the gold you are buying in the auction house, is going to fatten people like me's wallet. With current prices.. our wallets are getting REAL fat.. why? because.. You are buying.

That is right. YOU are buying. YOU are fueling the inflation by being willing to pay the prices for gold. YOU are making my wallet VERY fat. So YOU have only YOURSELF, and YOUR greed and willingness to pay idiotic prices for gold, for the price of gold being so high.

NOT PWI.

YOU.

That is the third corner of our construct... on to the last corner of our construct... PWI and their 'sales' which of course are designed to do what? Get you to buy ZHEN, or to get you to buy gold someone else has already bought by buying Zhen.

Yes... GREED. YOUR GREED for 'new, more powerful stuff', 'new, and cooler stuff', 'new and more unique (not) stuff', and PWI's need to make money hand over fist operate hand in hand together. The final corner of our construct is now complete.

What did we build? We built a house of cards that is driven and dependent for it's support by who?

Yes, you guessed it... YOU.

YOU are why prices are so high. your WILLING to buy at stupid prices.

YOU are the cause for so many sales because your WILLING to fall for them over and over and over and over and over (get the picture yet?) again.

Don't like the price of gold? Don't buy it. Prices will plummet when nobody buys it. Don't like the 'events' PWI puts on? Don't participate.

Don't blame PWI for being a business. Their only job is to make money. Blame yourself for whats happening, oh and in the meantime.. please buy my gold in the auction house I have on sale for insanely obscene prices. My wallet is empty.

~Saitada

I am Indestructible
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  • RavinTink - Sanctuary
    RavinTink - Sanctuary Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Hahaha, well said dear. I agree with you 150% b:victoryb:chuckle b:laugh
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  • sefis
    sefis Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Honestly, if people wanted the prices to go down, they wouldn't be buying at high prices. But most likely, the gold sellers buy for 300-500k per gold while selling it for 600-700k. By making it look like there is people buying for high prices, other people will buy for more. Other people buy for more, gold prices naturally go up. Profit for the gold sellers.
  • Black_lce - Heavens Tear
    Black_lce - Heavens Tear Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    i didn't read it =/

    got like 3 lines into it and though about this thread.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=5135252&posted=1#post5135252
  • Darcwolf - Lost City
    Darcwolf - Lost City Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Actually no you dont deserve an edge for paying, I put down 10-15 a month, but thats not nearly enough to keep up with the people that spends hundreds. Im supporting the game, but I have something called bills to take care of.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    sefis wrote: »
    Honestly, if people wanted the prices to go down, they wouldn't be buying at high prices. But most likely, the gold sellers buy for 300-500k per gold while selling it for 600-700k. By making it look like there is people buying for high prices, other people will buy for more. Other people buy for more, gold prices naturally go up. Profit for the gold sellers.

    Again, it only works if you are willing to pay that high a price. By paying it, you continue to support the high price. by refusing to pay it, the price will then be forced to drop.

    YOU control the gold prices. If you don't buy the gold.. guess what happens?

    Yup that is right.. the prices will drop. If every gold buyer refused to pay more than 150k for gold, the price of gld would remain stable at 150k. But.. you have people with more coin the good sense and you guessed it... they make zhen buyers wallets very very very fat.

    ~Saitada
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Darcwolf - Lost City wrote: »
    Actually no you dont deserve an edge for paying, I put down 10-15 a month, but thats not nearly enough to keep up with the people that spends hundreds. Im supporting the game, but I have something called bills to take care of.

    I deserve every bit of an edge as I am willing to put into the game. If I am willing to buy zhen, then I should get something out of it... while I disagree with the Anni packs personally.. I should be able to buy any mount I want, or any materials I want or any number of dragon orbs I want or any clothing I want etc...

    The advantage goes to those willing to pay. Not those who don't. But you missed the thrust of my argument. The thrust of the argument was the prices for gold. People are screaming about it.. but still buying. Stop buying and refuse to pay stupid prices and the price WILL come down.

    ~Saitada
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Black_lce - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i didn't read it =/

    got like 3 lines into it and though about this thread.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=5135252&posted=1#post5135252

    If you didn't bother to read it, then you should of kept your mouth shut and not posted. If you had bothered to read it, then you would have had a clue, but it is obvious you have no clue, so.. go get a clue, until then.. STFU.

    ~Saitada
  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    i buy zen/gold, but i spend it on the shop, so its not players who buy it, but rather those who stick it on auction, and ask the insane prices, that are the problem. i dont sell on the AH, and rarely can buy now, so dont lump all zen/gold buyers together.

    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Again, it only works if you are willing to pay that high a price. By paying it, you continue to support the high price. by refusing to pay it, the price will then be forced to drop.

    YOU control the gold prices. If you don't buy the gold.. guess what happens?

    Yup that is right.. the prices will drop. If every gold buyer refused to pay more than 150k for gold, the price of gld would remain stable at 150k. But.. you have people with more coin the good sense and you guessed it... they make zhen buyers wallets very very very fat.

    ~Saitada
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    (and hugs to Flauschkatze for the sig!)
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  • Ceshiari - Sanctuary
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I deserve every bit of an edge as I am willing to put into the game. If I am willing to buy zhen, then I should get something out of it... while I disagree with the Anni packs personally.. I should be able to buy any mount I want, or any materials I want or any number of dragon orbs I want or any clothing I want etc...

    The advantage goes to those willing to pay. Not those who don't. But you missed the thrust of my argument. The thrust of the argument was the prices for gold. People are screaming about it.. but still buying. Stop buying and refuse to pay stupid prices and the price WILL come down.

    ~Saitada

    I respect you Saitada.

    BUT

    I guess that barb that is tanking your TT's, FB's, BH's and RB's just cant do it anymore because he stopped buying gold to buy charms. And his supplier of charms stopped selling charms because he stopped buying gold too.

    Oh, and the cleric has to stop BB or IH or chromatic healing beam to meditate because he/she stopped paying for gold for MP charms.

    Ever played a barb? Tried tanking by using apothecary remedies and food? Its nearly impossible, and if in rebirth or in TT 2-3 tanking AE, completely insane.
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  • Skimi - Dreamweaver
    Skimi - Dreamweaver Posts: 333 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    That will work only if everyone will do that, but many people don't really care how high is gold when they want something and there are many people like that.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I respect you Saitada.

    BUT

    I guess that barb that is tanking your TT's, FB's, BH's and RB's just cant do it anymore because he stopped buying gold to buy charms. And his supplier of charms stopped selling charms because he stopped buying gold too.

    Oh, and the cleric has to stop BB or IH or chromatic healing beam to meditate because he/she stopped paying for gold for MP charms.

    Ever played a barb? Tried tanking by using apothecary remedies and food? Its nearly impossible, and if in rebirth or in TT 2-3 tanking AE, completely insane.

    Again you missed the thrust of my argument. What I am saying is that the prices of gold is in direct proportion to what people are willing to pay.

    Stop paying stupid prices and the gold prices WILL be forced to come down. It is that simple. If people stopped buying gold on sanctuary until prices reached 125-150k and the flat refused to pay anything higher.. then again, as I have said several times already.. the price of gold will STAY at that level.

    The REASON for the gold prices isn't PWI and their sales, it's the players willing to pay the stupid prices.

    ~Saitada

    p.s. I run a Blade Master as well . My BM doesn't use anything from the cash shop except the stones to enlarge her bank and a gold charm I bought her when gold was at 125k per. She is currently level 30. I expect her to pay for herself. So if she can't buy charms because gold is stupid, then I run her without.

    The fact is... the economy is not driven by PWI it is driven by the players. Players need to make a choice. How high are you willing to go for gold?

    p.s.s. Also, I tank my own FB's, and TT's. I have a Herc. Yes I bought it with Zhen. That is my advantage. This month I paid about $60.00 in Zhen.. did I sell any gold? nope, I bought stuff for me (my mount) and my wife (her clothes) etc. That is how I spend my zhen gold.
  • Ceshiari - Sanctuary
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    your asking thousands of players to not buy gold from AH in order to get charms.

    I think a faster approach would be to just stop selling gold at insane prices. But then again, that is useless, because cheap gold is quickly bought out in lump sums by the rich and resold at insane prices.

    So I guess no one does TT, RB or FB's for awhile eh? A week? 2? a month?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Skimi - Dreamweaver
    Skimi - Dreamweaver Posts: 333 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary wrote: »

    Oh, and the cleric has to stop BB or IH or chromatic healing beam to meditate because he/she stopped paying for gold for MP charms.

    For TT get 2 clerics maybe? cleric doesn't have to stop BB, cleric doesn't need mp charm to keep BB up, you can trade tokens for really really cheap MP potions that gives 5k MP
  • Ceshiari - Sanctuary
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Skimi - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    For TT get 2 clerics maybe? cleric doesn't have to stop BB, cleric doesn't need mp charm to keep BB up, you can trade tokens for really really cheap MP potions that gives 5k MP

    well, I guess the archers/wizards are gonna be uber pissed cause they definately cant go, since there needs to be two clerics then.

    expect a mass QQ fest if that happens.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Again you missed the thrust of my argument. What I am saying is that the prices of gold is in direct proportion to what people are willing to pay.

    Stop paying stupid prices and the gold prices WILL be forced to come down. It is that simple. If people stopped buying gold on sanctuary until prices reached 125-150k and the flat refused to pay anything higher.. then again, as I have said several times already.. the price of gold will STAY at that level.

    The REASON for the gold prices isn't PWI and their sales, it's the players willing to pay the stupid prices.

    ~Saitada

    p.s. I run a Blade Master as well . My BM doesn't use anything from the cash shop except the stones to enlarge her bank and a gold charm I bought her when gold was at 125k per. She is currently level 30. I expect her to pay for herself. So if she can't buy charms because gold is stupid, then I run her without.

    The fact is... the economy is not driven by PWI it is driven by the players. Players need to make a choice. How high are you willing to go for gold?

    p.s.s. Also, I tank my own FB's, and TT's. I have a Herc. Yes I bought it with Zhen. That is my advantage. This month I paid about $60.00 in Zhen.. did I sell any gold? nope, I bought stuff for me (my mount) and my wife (her clothes) etc. That is how I spend my zhen gold.
    Basically its our fault for buying gold at high prices? What happens if the gold sellers decide to sell gold at a lower price, then we would be able to buy it at a lower price, and price of gold drops. Anyways, as soon as gold starts dropping, some idiot will go and buy like 500 gold and re sell it at a really high price, just to make a profit. And too many people need gold for charms. We cant NOT buy it. I agree with the fact that the gold buyers should have an edge in the game- but such a BIG edge? I've seen level 20 noobs running around with gryphons and nien beasts. What I hate most about new players buying gold is that they waste it. With the current high gold prices 30 gold=15 mil. A gryphon is like half of that. But they still go and waste their money. But point is-if gold buyers weren't so selfish they could sell gold at lower prices. That means we could buy it at a lower price and gold price goes down. If you want to help bring gold price down, sell it lower. We cant NOT buy gold.
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary wrote: »
    your asking thousands of players to not buy gold from AH in order to get charms.

    I think a faster approach would be to just stop selling gold at insane prices. But then again, that is useless, because cheap gold is quickly bought out in lump sums by the rich and resold at insane prices.

    So I guess no one does TT, RB or FB's for awhile eh? A week? 2? a month?

    If they are unwilling to pay the high price.. then YES I am. Thousands of people.. stop buying gold.. trust me it WILL cause a reaction. Prices WILL drop.

    A week? maybe, 2? Possibly. A month? I doubt it would take that long.
  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    agree with you, 1000%


    Ceshiari - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I respect you Saitada.

    BUT

    I guess that barb that is tanking your TT's, FB's, BH's and RB's just cant do it anymore because he stopped buying gold to buy charms. And his supplier of charms stopped selling charms because he stopped buying gold too.

    Oh, and the cleric has to stop BB or IH or chromatic healing beam to meditate because he/she stopped paying for gold for MP charms.

    Ever played a barb? Tried tanking by using apothecary remedies and food? Its nearly impossible, and if in rebirth or in TT 2-3 tanking AE, completely insane.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    (and hugs to Flauschkatze for the sig!)
    "Thanks for writing me-- it's always great to hear from a vet.

    -FrankieRaye"
    Playing here since '08b:heart
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »
    Basically its our fault for buying gold at high prices? What happens if the gold sellers decide to sell gold at a lower price, then we would be able to buy it at a lower price, and price of gold drops. Anyways, as soon as gold starts dropping, some idiot will go and buy like 500 gold and re sell it at a really high price, just to make a profit. And too many people need gold for charms. We cant NOT buy it. I agree with the fact that the gold buyers should have an edge in the game- but such a BIG edge? I've seen level 20 noobs running around with gryphons and nien beasts. What I hate most about new players buying gold is that they waste it. With the current high gold prices 30 gold=15 mil. A gryphon is like half of that. But they still go and waste their money. But point is-if gold buyers weren't so selfish they could sell gold at lower prices. That means we could buy it at a lower price and gold price goes down. If you want to help bring gold price down, sell it lower. We cant NOT buy gold.

    Albireo that is just it. The REASON gold is so high is because you 'can not' not afford to buy gold. The problem with your argument is.. you CAN afford not to pay those prices. You CAN afford to wait the gold sellers out.

    YOU have the power over how high or low gold prices are. That is the simple unadulterated truth.

    Saying you "can't" afford not to buy gold is just an excuse for a lack of will power. Gold is high because people are willing to pay those prices. That is the ONLY reason gold is so high. Not because gold sellers are selling high.. but because gold BUYERS are willing to pay those high prices.

    Simple economics man. The buyer sets the value. The seller might want to say his gold is worth more, but if the buyer refuses to accept that.. then the seller has no choice but to eventually come down in price.

    Example. A house here on Maui was initially listed for 1.2 million dollars. This was when buyers were willing to pay that kind of price. The house sold at 1.2 million dollars. Now.. the new owner after a couple years has decided to sell the house. He listed it for 1.4 million dollars. It didn't sell. He relisted it for 1.3 mill it still didn't sell. The economy got rocky. He relisted it for 950k. it didn't sell. He relisted again for 850k. Still no sale. I looked at this house three days ago. It's now being offered for 750k.

    Nobody is willing to pay what the seller wanted. he has been forced to reduce his price, not once but several times. The market for gold in PWI is much the same. The prices are driven entirely by the BUYER.

    ~Saitada
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That is right. YOU are buying. YOU are fueling the inflation by being willing to pay the prices for gold. YOU are making my wallet VERY fat. So YOU have only YOURSELF, and YOUR greed and willingness to pay idiotic prices for gold, for the price of gold being so high.
    I generally agree with everything you posted except this. The inflation is partly being driven by people wanting gold. But I suspect it's mostly being driven by the 10 mil reward for 2 best luck tokens. Each best luck token that comes out of a pack is like printing money, and devalues the currency (coin).

    Say there are 1000 players on your server.
    Say on average each player has 2 million coin in their bank account.
    That's 2 billion coin for all players.

    Say on average people are willing to bid 10% of their bank account for gold, and on average there's 500 gold up for sale. That's 200 million coin / 500 gold = 400k coin per gold

    Now fast-forward one week. Say the packs produced 100 best luck tokens during that time. That's 500 million more coin added to the economy.

    Instead of 2 billion coin for all players, we now have 2.5 billion. 10% of that is 250 million coin / 500 gold = 500k coin per gold.

    Furthermore, at 2.5 billion coin for 1000 players, each players' average bank balance has increased from 2 million to 2.5 million. But that's just the average. The person who had 2 million (initially worth 5 gold) still has 2 million (now worth 4 gold). But the person who got 2 best luck tokens started with 2 million (5 gold worth) and now has 12 million (now worth 24 gold).

    That is what is so insidious about these packs. The best luck token winner's increase in wealth (from 5 gold to 24 gold) doesn't come from nowhere. It comes from decreasing everyone else's wealth (from 5 gold to 4 gold). Essentially, the extra 19 gold needed to go from 5 gold to 24 gold was stolen from 19 people who went from 5 gold to 4 gold by devaluing coin.

    In a proper economy, wealth is created by creating goods or services (TT mats, mined mats, molds, etc). With the best luck tokens in the anniversary packs, no wealth is created. All that's going on is wealth is being redistributed in the form of inflation, away from the unlucky and those not buying packs, and to the ones who bought packs and got lucky. It's like how the German government printed Marks to pay its debt after WWI. Each Mark they printed devalued the currency, essentially stealing money from its citizens and putting it in the hands of the government so they could try to pay their war debt.

    What's my proof? When Anniversary packs were first introduced, gold on HT was about 300k (price during the sale). When they were first removed, gold had drifted up to about 420k. The second time they were added, gold went from about 450k to about 500k by the time they were removed. By my estimation, there's been over a 50% increase in the total amount of coin in the game mostly due to best luck tokens.
  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Albireo that is just it. The REASON gold is so high is because you 'can not' not afford to buy gold. The problem with your argument is.. you CAN afford not to pay those prices. You CAN afford to wait the gold sellers out.

    YOU have the power over how high or low gold prices are. That is the simple unadulterated truth.

    Saying you "can't" afford not to buy gold is just an excuse for a lack of will power. Gold is high because people are willing to pay those prices. That is the ONLY reason gold is so high. Not because gold sellers are selling high.. but because gold BUYERS are willing to pay those high prices.

    Simple economics man. The buyer sets the value. The seller might want to say his gold is worth more, but if the buyer refuses to accept that.. then the seller has no choice but to eventually come down in price.

    Example. A house here on Maui was initially listed for 1.2 million dollars. This was when buyers were willing to pay that kind of price. The house sold at 1.2 million dollars. Now.. the new owner after a couple years has decided to sell the house. He listed it for 1.4 million dollars. It didn't sell. He relisted it for 1.3 mill it still didn't sell. The economy got rocky. He relisted it for 950k. it didn't sell. He relisted again for 850k. Still no sale. I looked at this house three days ago. It's now being offered for 750k.

    Nobody is willing to pay what the seller wanted. he has been forced to reduce his price, not once but several times. The market for gold in PWI is much the same. The prices are driven entirely by the BUYER.

    ~Saitada
    But the problem is we CAN'T out wait the gold sellers. They'll be bringing in the rising tide expansion and there'll be a cash shop related christmas event. Worst comes to worst the gold buyers just buy anniversary packs or something. Then what happens? The gold buyers have some amazing new tideborn mounts,while we're still waiting for them to sell it to us. They don't HAVE to sell the gold.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »
    But the problem is we CAN'T out wait the gold sellers. They'll be bringing in the rising tide expansion and there'll be a cash shop related christmas event. Worst comes to worst the gold buyers just buy anniversary packs or something. Then what happens? The gold buyers have some amazing new tideborn mounts,while we're still waiting for them to sell it to us. They don't HAVE to sell the gold.

    Of course they don't have to sell their gold. They have NEVER HAD TO SELL THEIR GOLD.

    Again.. the fact is, prices are driven by player greed (to be honest). Greed for that new mount. Greed for the fast XP. Greed for that uber weapon. Greed for tons of coin in their bank. Whatever it is, it is all driven by greed.

    On ALL sides.

    Not just the sellers.
    Not just the buyers.
    Not just PWI (they ARE after all in it for the money)

    By EVERYONE.

    You really can't place the blame for anything on any one group when the truth is, all are responsible for being greedy. Heck, even I am. I have wanted a Violet Lightning since I first started playing. When I came back from my break.. you guessed it, one of the first things I got from the CS was a Violet Lightning. Couldn't care less about the other rides. I wanted THAT ride. My own GREED.

    Honestly, I am not saying nobody is to blame, I am saying we all are, and WE ALL have the power to stop it.

    Not that we will. Greed after all is insidious. "just one more charm" - "Just one more dragon Orb", etc.

    Anyway..

    ~Saitada

    p.s. I will admit that on the PVP servers it is probably a bit worse. The real need for angels etc. But overall it is still a player induced and driven economy.
  • VVhy - Sanctuary
    VVhy - Sanctuary Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Darcwolf - Lost City wrote: »
    Actually no you dont deserve an edge for paying, I put down 10-15 a month, but thats not nearly enough to keep up with the people that spends hundreds. Im supporting the game, but I have something called bills to take care of.

    D00d I spent 10 dollars on packs and got heaven rage boots one time o.O
    And another time i spent 20 and got warsong badge.
    And another time i spent 20 and got like so many best luck and charms.
    I luv anni packs b:dirty
    b:laugh That is all
  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Of course they don't have to sell their gold. They have NEVER HAD TO SELL THEIR GOLD.

    Again.. the fact is, prices are driven by player greed (to be honest). Greed for that new mount. Greed for the fast XP. Greed for that uber weapon. Greed for tons of coin in their bank. Whatever it is, it is all driven by greed.

    On ALL sides.

    Not just the sellers.
    Not just the buyers.
    Not just PWI (they ARE after all in it for the money)

    By EVERYONE.

    You really can't place the blame for anything on any one group when the truth is, all are responsible for being greedy. Heck, even I am. I have wanted a Violet Lightning since I first started playing. When I came back from my break.. you guessed it, one of the first things I got from the CS was a Violet Lightning. Couldn't care less about the other rides. I wanted THAT ride. My own GREED.

    Honestly, I am not saying nobody is to blame, I am saying we all are, and WE ALL have the power to stop it.

    Not that we will. Greed after all is insidious. "just one more charm" - "Just one more dragon Orb", etc.

    Anyway..

    ~Saitada

    p.s. I will admit that on the PVP servers it is probably a bit worse. The real need for angels etc. But overall it is still a player induced and driven economy.
    It's not greed if its a necessity. It's not greedy to want food. But it is greedy to want lots of food. Lets take flying mounts as an example (wish they would come out with flying fish for tideborn QQ). In a pvp server its a necessity- without a fast mount you can't escape high level pkers who will kill you when they catch up with you. So,we need mounts. And charms. So without gold,we can't buy either. So we need gold. Which means the gold sellers continue to sell gold at high prices. And I bet someone will tell me to go play on a pve server. But I'm not talking about just me, everyone will need a fast mount. This guys thread is an example-http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=458222 if he didn't have a fast mount he would be dead.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Thank you Forsakenx for the picture. b:thanks
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »
    It's not greed if its a necessity. It's not greedy to want food. But it is greedy to want lots of food. Lets take flying mounts as an example (wish they would come out with flying fish for tideborn QQ). In a pvp server its a necessity- without a fast mount you can't escape high level pkers who will kill you when they catch up with you. So,we need mounts. And charms. So without gold,we can't buy either. So we need gold. Which means the gold sellers continue to sell gold at high prices. And I bet someone will tell me to go play on a pve server. But I'm not talking about just me, everyone will need a fast mount.

    I agree Albireo. But your missing what I am saying. The REASON gold is so costly isn't just because the sellers are greedy, it is because the buyers are paying their price. BOTH are to blame.

    I know the PVP servers have very special differences and needs than a PVE server. But even with those differences factored in, the truth is that if buyers are willing to pay the price, sellers are going to sell it there.

    Let me give you another example.

    You hire on at a factory that does injection molding. Your a machine operator. The boss says "I'll pay you $11.50 an hour to run my machines". You agree to that and start working for the company.

    The next month the boss comes to you and says "I'm paying you $11.50 an hour but I don't think the work your doing is worth that much so i'm lowering your wage to $10.50 an hour. Your doing the same amount of work.. but making less from it.

    The next month your boss comes and says "I'm paying you $10.50 an hour but I don't think the work your doing is worth so much so I am going to lower your wage to $8.50 an hour. Your doing the same work, but making less from it.... again..

    Your boss will continue to do this until you come to a point where you say wait a damn minute. My time and effort is worth more than this.

    Gold is the same thing. Where does the amount of work you put in, balance out with what you feel it is worth? Where is your breaking point? That is why I say Gold prices are entirely player driven. Players are the ones paying the prices. PWI isn't setting the prices. Players are. PWI isn't buying at those prices, players are. Where is your coin per gold threshold? Mine was at 125-135k. I haven't bought gold from the AH since. Granted I can buy my own gold when I want to, but if I don't need to spend that cash on a game because I can earn it in the game, then you can bet i'm gonna earn it in the game.

    ~Saitada
  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    LOL your preaching to the wrong ppl Saitada.
    working it Q_Q
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    LOL your preaching to the wrong ppl Saitada.

    I know. But sometimes you just have to try even when you know nobody will want to understand.

    ~Saitada
  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I know. But sometimes you just have to try even when you know nobody will want to understand.

    ~Saitada
    I'm still trying.

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    Thank you Forsakenx for the picture. b:thanks
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm still trying.

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    ROFLMAO omg that dude sooooo looks like my little brother when he was 16.

    Anyway.. not saying your dumb, just saying that your making excuses to continue paying prices you don't want to pay and that by continuing to pay those prices, you continue to support those prices at that level and encourage them to go even higher.

    ~Saitada
  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ROFLMAO omg that dude sooooo looks like my little brother when he was 16.

    Anyway.. not saying your dumb, just saying that your making excuses to continue paying prices you don't want to pay and that by continuing to pay those prices, you continue to support those prices at that level and encourage them to go even higher.

    ~Saitada
    I've only bought one gold-and that was when ann packs came back. But all I'm saying is that its not possible to stop a whole server from buying gold.
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    Thank you Forsakenx for the picture. b:thanks
  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm still trying.

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    working it Q_Q
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