Rei's kinda-ok guide for Heavy/Robe Fox.

fuzzz wrote: »

now ..
i really like the idea of this build (HA veno in general)
but a few of my friends are hell bent on not letting me go through with this ..
they go exactly as you stated "heavy veno = fail"
after having read through all the 33 pages i dont doubt it..

but my frnd says that there a few venos in his faction that have tried and dropped this build..cause it sucked..
just need a a bit more reassuarance lol

if you're vulnerable to that sort of comment don't make it. simple.
mainly because many, many people will say you're a failure. and i'm not joking.

[DeityofRain_] (Level 100 Heavy/Robe veno) stats sit at:

(Base stats, no EQ add ons)
Vit: 114
Str: 159
Magic: 229
Dex: 13
Hit Points: N/A

(With EQ add ons)

Vit: 249
Str: 202
Magic: 259
Dex: 44
Hit Points: 9088(self buff) 11685 lvl10 barb buff, 12031 sage buff

20128 pdef fully buff
6938-7011 m. atk

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

sharpsniper i'll add your stats. I'm just posting this to say, in light of recent events, i've decided to do the responsible thing and quit PWI. I'm 19 and out of school, I need my time to being my career, PWI just consumes alot atm lol.

I'm sorry guys, it's been fun here on PWI but I am going :]
Hopefully this guide will still serve to help fresh HA/AA venomancers and those considering switching, but it's up to you all to help out each other from now on. ^^
Good luck :P

Bye Rei, and good luck.

Bye, Rei - thanks for all the help. It's sad you have to go.

I finally resetted, at lvl 90. Thanks to this guide, I knew exactly what equip I want and need. I focused on having the most additional stat points possible, to have least handicapped magic attack. Here's the equip I collected for my build:

Equip:

Head: TT90 Ancient Behemoth's Helm +3 - hp+397, dex+6, vit+7, reduce phys damage taken +1%
Chest: TT90 Mountcrasher Plate +3 +2xbeautiful citrine - hp+266, vit+7
Legs: TT90 Mountcrasher Cuises +2 +3xbeautiful citrine - hp+256, dex+7, vit+7
Boots: TT90 Mountcrasher Boots +2 +2xbeautiful citrine - hp+144, vit+7, hp rec+5, mp rec+4
Sleeves: TT90 Mountcrasher Bracers +3 +3xbeautiful citrine - hp+218, vit+8, str+6, reduce phys damage taken +2%
Cape: TT90 Mantle of the Ghost Lord +3 +2xperfect citrine - hp+215, str+9, mag+9, dex+9
Belt: Mogwai Belt - pDef+228, str+6, mag+6, dex+6
Necklace: Buddha Bone Necklace +2 - str+4, dex+5
Ring1: Ring of Scorching Heavens +2 - matk+68, dex+5, mag+5
Ring2: Ring of Scorching Heavens +2 - matk+77, mag+5, mag+5
Tome: The Voidlands - str+9, dex+9, mag+9, vit+9, crit+1%
Weapon: Requiem's Blade +5 +1xbeautiful sapphire - dex+11, mag+11, vit+10

Stats (with bonuses):

Vit: 3 (57)
Str: 199 (233)
Dex: 5 (63)
Mag: 258 (308)

Unbuffed:

Hp: 4340
Mp: 5916
pAtk: 1471-1989
mAtk: 4386-5055
pDef: 6420 (13580 in Fox)
mDef: 3245

Fully buffed:

Hp: 5642
MP: 5916
pAtk: 1604-2168
mAtk: 5128-5910
pDef: 12148 (19307 in Fox and over 20k with Sage Golden Bell)
mDef: 4577

Frankly speaking I was afraid this build will wreck my character, but I quickly realized it's really great. I spend a lot of my time in TT. As Arcane, I was tanking everything really easily, but had problems with such things as pulling Dimentora or Archers changing their aggro. Now I heal little less effectively, but still enough for tanking, but:
- I run through almost all the mobs
- I tank Drummer and Soulbanisher without a cleric, using only a few potions
- I survive almost everything.

I'm constantly working on improving my hp by refining gear and buying perfect citrines for my cape and helmet.

What's perfect, is that I can now use my Fox Form effectively, with attack speed and power that give me a similar damage to normal form magic attacks (about 3 times more hits, but around 3 times weaker).

I could go on and on about BM's and Archers who just cannot kill me, about mixing my HA with Arcane to have better resistances than any LA veno, but you already know all that

Thx for help - I hope my post helps a little too

woland wrote: »

From my experience:

Under lvl 90 it is very hard to be able to equip both up-to-date armor and weapon so you have to make a choice: weapon or armor.

At lvl 90 you are able to equip TT90 cape which gives you +27 additional stats and Requiem's blade (+10-11 dex). This makes the whole thing really a lot easier and lets you wear lvl89 weapon and tt90 armor at the same time, not leaving you somewhat handicapped. What's more, at lvl 89 you can learn sage fox form, which gives you +150% def instead of +100%, which really makes a difference you can feel and makes the HA build really powerful.

You can, of course, make a HA veno even at lvl 2, but the question is: why?
- PVP really starts at 80+ levels, and HA is really a PvP build
- pure Arcane quests/grinds faster than HA, so it's faster to lvl up and cheaper, since you don't really have to invest that much in the equipment - you're good with a mediocre armor and whatever ornaments you find. The only thing that really counts is your weapon and herc/nix.

Woland

The downside to this argument is that Requiem Blade isn't very good as far as magic weapons go. The stat bonus is nice, but that's all there is to it.

Also fox form level 3 is 120% defense bonus.

I'm using a build that's....similar to this, though a little different.

I also disagree with the red parts. While most venomancers do go HA for the pvp benefits, this build is certainly not a downgrade for pve. I now switch readily between fox and caster form during grinding and have been told countless times by other venos as well as other class squad members how incredibly fast it goes.

Reiii! Sell me your Arcane gears >.< I am having trouble farming mine, lol.

Also man I haven't been here in awhile. Nice to see you still postin when I see you in Game I am gonna bug the **** out of you Rei.. cause you bettter come back at least sometime. ;-; I miss you so much already. My own little FF Veno Tank Partner in crime. Enrage no the same without another HA Veno to defend meh, XD

First of all, I never said that HA is PVP-ONLY. I just said that staying arcane gives you at least (in my opinion higher) speed of leveling, grinding, killing, pet-healing and in most cases earning money, so if you do not go PVP, you won't really see what difference this build makes.

Sure, you will be able to solo phys-aoe bosses in TT. Sure, you'll get to play around with fox form skills if you'll buy them, but you won't experience the joy of being practically unbeatable for an archer of your level

By "PVP really starts at 80+" I meant the current situation on Sanctuary server, where like 90% (if not more) of PKers are 90+, so being lower than 80 and going PK is pretty much suicide, not worth wasting GA's.

The 100-120% thingie was an obvious mistake, sorry bout that.

Reqiem blade thing - I'm planning to test some other weapons too. The reason I chose Requiem is because it was easily accessible and I really had enough trouble with getting the rest of gear, so I went a little easy on this part :P

Arcane set - I currently have almost full TT90 arcane set (I'm missing a few mats for the chest only, so I'll probably have it next week). I must say it is really nice to see that a heavy-arcane mix (arcane legs and boots + heavy sleeves and chest) give me both higher mdef and pdef than TT90 LA set would give me. Still, atm I'm considering another mix, that is a heavy armor + a heavily refined magic necklace and belt, maybe even some mdef gems in some parts of my armor, to give me as much mdef as I can get without getting below 13k pdef unbuffed. Will tell you how it works

Woland

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Since i'm a level 90 noob (My experience goes as far as my level)
I had orginally thought that the requiem blade would've made the perfect weapon. I had figured that the dex bonus especially could benefit my accuracy and evasion greatly. To be honest, even though it's refined to +5 I had felt really outclassed by other venomancers and mages at 90 who used wraith conquerer, lunar or other TT90 weapons.

I have to disagree here. In fact I'll go on to say Requiem is the BEST 90 weapon a HA veno could use(aside from gold Frost wand). It only has what 8 less magic attack, which is nothing. Also it will give a heavy armor the most hp benefit, the only thing you are missing out on is -3 chan on wraith conq. Consider any extra stats get restatted into VIT for HA, (11dex + 11vit) gives a total of 22vit, while Wraith conq only gives 15. for what.., so nearly 100hp vs 8matk+-3chan, survivability is more important than damage. To top it off its much more cost effective.

That is to say Matk vs hp is all personal preference, but to say it isn't on par with other 90 weapons.. is blasphemic. I wouldn't recommend it to an arcane user though, but LA/HA get the dex restatted to vit for more total HP than Wraith conq. Thats my view anyways.

I got an assumption, now atm my Hp Wing Trophy Cape has 4 socket and 4 immaculate +5. If I was to switch out the 4 immaculate citrines and replace it with Tiger Attack +1 x4, would that be a good idea? Even though I'll lose about 200hp, I would still be around 6.2khp. Would this be a smart idea? It would boost my attack quit a bit .

Well you know me Rei, I'm an HP ****.
I was just pointing out itsnot nearly as bad as many people imagine. Infact I've seen people shuttering at the thought of using "ye ole crappy Req Blade" When infact it can be considered one of the better weapons. I use a 99now anyways, though I kinda wish I went with Broken Dream. Mooooore HP! You really dont need higher matk, when a level 100 birds pecking at peoples faces. Just live and pewpew another day. Just spend an extra bit of money refining your weapon if you care about 10 points here or there. This builds all about money anyways.

edit: 6k+? We should be aiming for 9k-10k+(without buff)

Yeah.. 99green mats for chest are going 5mil each on HT, and you need 8 of them. The bosses arent too difficult, just have tons of HP. With a stable group who knows what they are doing a run takes a good 4hours. Hard to even get people to have that much free time together. Just time consuming farming, not so much hard.(though average party needs a solid tank and 2clerics[which can also be a pain getting together], so much sleep bosses) I've got my gold mats for chest and leggings(thank you tokens+myst chips), but the greens are proving troublesome.

I've pretty much quit, just want to get the armor to be shiny, so all I do is catshop 24/7.

manfruit wrote: »

What event boots or Helm would you guys get? I was thinking Heavy Helmet and Arcane boots, since we are HA/AA. But would you guys recommend full Heavy Helmet and boots? I don't want to chose yet because there's no turning back after I exchange it at the Botique Agent xD. So need your guys advice, pretty please .

Definatly Heavy helmet, no doubt.

As for boots, this is a tossup.
Arcane:
-More mdef
-10mag(can be used to wear weapon/ restat to vit)
Heavy:
-More pdef
-Higher Refine
The extra refine hp will far outway the extra 10 usable stats(since heavys strength cant be used to wear itself, but the arcanes mag can be used for a weapon). You cant go wrong with either though. It's really just defense preference and what you use more.