Sage Wizard VS Demon Wizard : the full thread

eppc · October 2009

i have made this to show the full list of the sageVSdemon skills of wizards, without making anything wrong. (taken from ecatomb, correct me if im wrong)
Red Text: fire based skills
Blue Text: water based skills
Brown Text: earth based skills
Bold Grey Text: etc.

Pyrogram

Sage: 20% for +30 chi
Demon: channeling=1.2 secs.

Personal: The demon version could use if you are a timing freak, but the sage version is pretty nice.

Pyroshell

Sage:+150% fire res (not 120%); +12 hp regen
Demon:HP regen=15 (not 12); +120% fire res

Personal: Demon could use if you have HP issues, while the Sage version could use if you have worser HP issues b:chuckle

Crown of Flame

Sage: 6546.95 damage over 15 secs (436 each second)
Demon: 5693 damage over 12 secs (474 each second)

Personal: clearly seen that demon pwns here. much more DPS.

Divine Pyrogram

Sage: enemy also loses 20% fire res
Demon: channeling=2.5 secs (not 3)

Personal: Demon could use for timing freaks, while the Same version lets you sneak in more damage with your fire skills

pretty obvious sage owns here.

The Dragon's Breath

Sage: 20% chance to stun
Demon: 25% to gain 500 HP

Personal: EDIT: the stunner might help a bit while zhenning with this skill, amonsgt healing yourself 500 HP. presonally, 500 hp isn't a too reliable amount, so i guess sage won

Will of the Pheonix

Sage: cooldown=7 secs (not 8)
Demon: increases the AoE of the skill by 50%

Personal: This time the Sage version is for timing freaks. demon won here.

Emberstorm

Sage: reduces damage taken by 25%
Demon: 50% chance to stun for 3 secs

Personal: i hate emberstorm. its simply a suicide bomb. it would be rather a joke wasting money just on getting any book of this.... no desicion here. period.

Blade Tempest

Sage: 50% chance to cast with only 1 spark
Demon: 50% chance to cancel current skill of target.

Personal: EDIT: from one side the sage version could let you sneak in another ulti or sumffin, while the demon version could backup a Barb/Fist BM in HH. just around 2-4 attacks wasted from the enemy, or double samage. sage won

Fire Mastery

Sage: +25% fire dmg (not 20%)
Demon: +1% critrate.

Personal: Obviously sage owns here, unless you need the crit for a special reason. b:pleased

Gush

Sage: slow effect(8)+1 second
Demon: +600 water damage

Personal: i hate it when they say "extra damage" because it always gets decreased, but in this case 600 damage is a bit less than decent, while just 1 more sec of slow. sage could save your **** in 1v1s but demon could just give you the dmg to kill the creep b4 he approaches, so demon won.

Glacial Embrace

Sage: 150% Water res (not 120%); +12 mp regen
Demon: +15 mp regen (not 12); + 120% water res

Personal: just like in Pyroshell.

Morning Dew

Sage: 10% chance to fully heal.
Demon: +600 hp healed over 9 secs.

Personal: 10% isn't so reliable, but you have to admit full health is a pretty awsome thing if you are low on it. i see a tie here, again its up to you.

Frostblade

Sage: 30 min duration (not 15)
Demon: +50% Water dmg (not 40%)

Personal: Demon owns here if you're fine about spamming it every quarter an hour.

Glacial Snare

Sage: -20% water res for target
Demon: 2.1 sec channel (not 2.5)

Personal: Demon is for timers, while Sage is for damagers. sage won

Black Ice Dragon Strike

Sage: 50% chance to increase cirtrate by 30%(!!!) for 10 secs
Demon: 20% chance to cast without a spark

Personal: Nobody will argue about this one. sage version pwns ****.

Water Mastery

Sage: +25% water dmg (not 20%)
Demon: +1% critrate.

Personal: just like Fire Mastery.

Hailstorm

Sage: doubles the damage if freezing suceeds.
Demon: 50% chance to freeze (not 33%)

Personal: hailstorm is a stupid skill from the first place, which used RARELY for its freezng effect. no decision.

Stone Rain

Sage: 1.6 sec channeling (not 2)
Demon: 20% chance to stun target for 5 secs

Personal: Demon won here. sage is just for timing freaks.

Stone Barrier

Sage: +150% earth res (not 120%); +120% pdef
Demon: +150% pdef (not 120%); +120% earth res

Personal: Demon version comes out more balanced here, so i guess it won.
why it won? because always stacking what you have comes out useless if the other one is tiny.

Pitfall

Sage: -20% speed to target (not 15%); +15% chance to freeze
Demon: 33% chance to freeze (not 15%); -15% speed to target

Personal: Both %'s aren't so reliable, but the demon version gives a bigger add. demon won

Sandstorm

Sage: -accuracy effect(10)+5 secs
Demon: +1.2k earth dmg

Personal: Just like Gush, exept that maybe more would consider sage is better.

Force of Will

Sage: +3m AoE
Demon: (20)-2 channeling

Personal: the sage version could cause madness in TW. b:dirty

Mountain's Seize

Sage: 50% chance to cast without a spark
Demon: (30)+5 range

Personal: this isn't an ulti you are going to use, since its dissapointing. rather idiotic to invest a book on this in the first place. no decision.

Earth Mastery

Sage: +25% earth dmg (not 20%)
Demon: +1% critrate

Personal: just like Fire Mastery

NOTE: when looking down at all masterys in total, its +15% dmg on fire/water/earth for sage, against 3% crit for demon. if the critrate of demon works with all spells, it could be rather badass. but ionno.

Distance Shrink

Sage: (20)-10 chi cost
Demon: (30)+5m teleport

Personal: EDIT: sage owns this. its +1/2 (sage) against +1/6 (demon). so it comes out like this:
20 chi cost for +60m for sage, or 40 chi cost for +70m for demon. (all 2 times). it would be rather idiotic to invest another 20 chi for just another 10m, while you can use that for 60.

Wellspring Quaff

Sage: +100% Matk for 15 secs.
Demon: -20% channeling time for 15 secs.

Personal: Demon could let you spam skills better, while sage could make the numbers of the dmg more spammed XD. i guess sage won here.

Overall: i think that actually sage won in the overall. there shouldnt be any too big chi issues when you have chi pots with you, so you could just do the damage to kill b4 you get killed

Sage: 15
Demon: 8
Ties/Undecided: 3

NOTE: i haven't mentioned some skills here, because they have no Hell/Heaven versions, so dont take it out wrong.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · October 2009

I disagree with some interpretation. But personally I going with sage.

Amour - Lost City · October 2009

based on preference.
gtfo.

eppc · October 2009

Amour - Lost City wrote: »

based on preference.
gtfo.

true, but its not BIASED prefference. learn to read dumbass

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I disagree with some interpretation. But personally I going with sage.

could you tell WHERE exactly you disagree to improve the guide? ty

Amour - Lost City · October 2009

No, the whole argument of Sage vs Demon.
It doesn't matter how good something is if you don't like it.
Play what you want, not what people tell you to.
(PS baddie hell mages b:cute)

_makina_ - Sanctuary · October 2009

Its not a guide it does basically the same thing ecatomb does. It tells u what each skill does....

Sevas - Heavens Tear · October 2009

b:shocked Oh my, you guys are mean. You make venos look tame in their Demon v. Sage discussions. (And most wizzies I know go Demon. They say for better damage. I don't know but I trust them. My wizzy is only L39.)

eppc · October 2009

_makina_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Its not a guide it does basically the same thing ecatomb does. It tells u what each skill does....

... added with prefference and compacted to a list exept some difficult generator...

Sevas - Heavens Tear wrote: »

...(And most wizzies I know go Demon. They say for better damage. I don't know but I trust them. My wizzy is only L39.)

1) OR its not true
2) OR they are just pathetic noobs (by my opinion

)
by the list it seems that sage has the overall better thingies, including higher damage.
in this case its Demon: fully attack; Sage: balanced, more towards attack.
in this case the balacned comes out better.

Kristoph - Lost City · October 2009

eppc wrote: »

Emberstorm

Sage: reduces damage taken by 25%
Demon: 50% chance to stun for 3 secs

Personal: Again, its up to you. i see a tie here.

Blade Tempest

Sage: 50% chance to cast with only 1 spark
Demon: 50% chance to cancel current skill of target.

Personal: Sage lets you save that spark, while the Demon version could use you a reason to shine in HH. demon won.

Glacial Snare

Sage: -20% water res for target
Demon: 2.1 sec channel (not 2.5)

Personal: Demon is for timers, while Sage is for damagers. sage won

Hailstorm

Sage: doubles the damage if freezing suceeds.
Demon: 50% chance to freeze (not 33%)

Personal: 1/3 hits to freeze + Double damage if suceeds against 1/2 hits freeze + normal damage. sage looks really awsome if those 33% could use for you.

Stone Barrier

Sage: +150% pdef (not 120%); +120% earth res
Demon: +150% earth res (not 120%); +120% pdef

Personal: Sage version comes out more balanced here, so i guess it won.
why it won? because always stacking what you have comes out useless if the other one is tiny.

Sandstorm

Sage: -accuracy effect(10)+5 secs
Demon: +1.2k earth dmg

Personal: Just like Gush, exept that maybe more would consider sage is better.

Force of Will

Sage: +3m AoE
Demon: (20)-2 channeling

Personal: the sage version could cause madness in TW. b:dirty

All the above make you look like a ****ing moron.

Adroit - Lost City · October 2009

The sage/demon wins is just horrible in here... Things to note.. all the sage ults > demon ults.. the masteries should be a tie... demon emberstorm is amazing, instant 50% chance aoe stun (how could that be a tie?).. undine doesn't stack with the -res on D.pyro and G.Snare for sage.. you don't use pyroshell for hp (as a matter of fact, you probably won't use it for anything at 9x).. half cost distance shrink is amazing for sage.. hailstorm is obviously better for demon(only reason u use this weak skill is for chance to freeze), and stone rain/pyro should be ties. Demon stone barrier OBVIOUSLY won.. And keep in mind that the sage FoW only has a 3m aoe... the enemy has got to be like standing on top of themselves to use it... so I'd still give that a tie. That was just a quick skim... although I'm sure I didn't address all the comments you have there.

eppc · October 2009

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

All the above make you look like a ****ing moron.

Emberstorm

Sage: reduces damage taken by 25%
Demon: 50% chance to stun for 3 secs

Personal: Again, its up to you. i see a tie here. I STATED MY STATE TELLING ITS UP TO THE CHOOSER, NOT TO ME, SO IM OUT OF IT.

Blade Tempest

Sage: 50% chance to cast with only 1 spark
Demon: 50% chance to cancel current skill of target.

Personal: Sage lets you save that spark, while the Demon version could use you a reason to shine in HH. demon won. MIGHT BE TRUE, BUT HERE I LIKE DEMON VERSION MORE.

Glacial Snare

Sage: -20% water res for target
Demon: 2.1 sec channel (not 2.5)

Personal: Demon is for timers, while Sage is for damagers. sage won. ESPECIALLY DISAGREE THIS ISNT TRUE. JUST 400 MILISECS ARENT ANY DECENT CHANGE.

Hailstorm

Sage: doubles the damage if freezing suceeds.
Demon: 50% chance to freeze (not 33%)

Personal: 1/3 hits to freeze + Double damage if suceeds against 1/2 hits freeze + normal damage. sage looks really awsome if those 33% could use for you. AGAIN, I DISAGREE THIS ISNT TRUE, BECAUSE DOUBLE DAMAGE IS TOTALLY AWSOME COMPARED TO NORMAL DAMAGE, DUH b:chuckle

Stone Barrier

Sage: +150% pdef (not 120%); +120% earth res
Demon: +150% earth res (not 120%); +120% pdef

Personal: Sage version comes out more balanced here, so i guess it won.
why it won? because always stacking what you have comes out useless if the other one is tiny. YOU ARE THE MORON HERE BECAUSE YOU NEED TO BALANCE YOU WEAKNESS TOWARDS YOUR STRENGTH AND NOT STACK WHAT YOU HAVE. IF YOU STACK WHAT YOU HAVE, YOU ARE A NOOB

Sandstorm

Sage: -accuracy effect(10)+5 secs
Demon: +1.2k earth dmg

Personal: Just like Gush, exept that maybe more would consider sage is better. I HAVENT 100% STATED MY STATE HERE, SO SHUTUP b:shutup

Force of Will

Sage: +3m AoE
Demon: (20)-2 channeling

Personal: Sage version could cause madness in TW b:dirty THIS IS TOTALLY TRUE SINCE ATTACK CANCELING IN AN AoE REALLY COULD CAUSE MADNESS YOU IDIOT

Amour - Lost City · October 2009

Oh wow, I didn't actually even read it.
LOL BLADE TEMPEST IN HH LOLOLOLOLOL.
Please, for the love of god, no one follow this little post... ever.

eppc · October 2009

Amour - Lost City wrote: »

Oh wow, I didn't actually even read it.
LOL BLADE TEMPEST IN HH LOLOLOLOLOL.
Please, for the love of god, no one follow this little post... ever.

1) i havent sayed this should be ALWAYS used in HH, but still channel canceling could use you know b:mischievous
2) like an extra spark would use anyway (i was talknig about Force of Will b4... rofl b:avoid)..... you can't spam blade tempest you moron. it requires 2 sparks...and you can fill it up with a chi apoth pot

eppc · October 2009

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

The sage/demon wins is just horrible in here... Things to note.. all the sage ults > demon ults.. the masteries should be a tie... demon emberstorm is amazing, instant 50% chance aoe stun (how could that be a tie?).. undine doesn't stack with the -res on D.pyro and G.Snare for sage.. you don't use pyroshell for hp (as a matter of fact, you probably won't use it for anything at 9x).. half cost distance shrink is amazing for sage.. hailstorm is obviously better for demon(only reason u use this weak skill is for chance to freeze), and stone rain/pyro should be ties. Demon stone barrier OBVIOUSLY won.. And keep in mind that the sage FoW only has a 3m aoe... the enemy has got to be like standing on top of themselves to use it... so I'd still give that a tie. That was just a quick skim... although I'm sure I didn't address all the comments you have there.

emberstorm: i haven't stated my choice here, so gtfo
masteries: presonally i think 5% more dmg is better, so what?
undine with shells: what?
pyroshell: still in case you will drop pretty low on HP and/or ur against a fire based mob.... still usefuk

distance shrink: same as emberstorm.
hailstorm: might be true..... b:shutup
stone rain/pyrogram: i have gave my opinion in these, breaking the tie, okay? problem solved?
stone barrier: noob..... BALANCE OUT YOUR DEF!! DONT STACK WHAT YOU HAVE!! YOU WILL BE EVEN MORE SQUISHY AGAINST BM/BARB/ARCH 'S!! sheesh...
FoW: like stone rain/pyrogram

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · October 2009

The main problem is, that Demon Mages regret their decision, so they have to fight for their decision. Because :
1. Stone barrier. 150%. Nice, BUT from cirka 8000 def, how much damage reduction you will earn.? Almost nothing. And You can get quite easily 8000 def. with sage barrier too. So from 8000 is worthless.
2. Shorter channeling time? What for 15s or few milisecond? It make me laughing, is almost nothing. Especially If you have -channeling gear. Which is for end-game mage not big deal.
3. Sage do a much more damage as I showed it in few past posts. Especially with refined 7+ weapon, from masteries. And this damage is increased with every spell you use not just SS.
4.And I don't telling about chi and using ultimates. You can use them very often. Which is damn more important, than everything what demon has.

RedSpeller - Sanctuary · October 2009

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The main problem is, that Demon Mages regret their decision, so they have to fight for their decision. Because :
1. Stone barrier. 150%. Nice, BUT from cirka 8000 def, how much damage reduction you will earn.? Almost nothing. And You can get quite easily 8000 def. with sage barrier too. So from 8000 is worthless.
2. Shorter channeling time? What for 15s or few milisecond? It make me laughing, is almost nothing. Especially If you have -channeling gear. Which is for end-game mage not big deal.
3. Sage do a much more damage as I showed it in few past posts. Especially with refined 7+ weapon, from masteries. And this damage is increased with every spell you use not just SS.
4.And I don't telling about chi and using ultimates. You can use them very often. Which is damn more important, than everything what demon has.

This kind of post really start to be annoying. Yeah sage get more damage in theory from masteries, but in fact the channeling bonus demon get let them cast more spells than a sage wizard and at the end: same DPS.
You can say what you want, I don't regret at all my choice. You like to spam ultimates? Great! I prefer to focus on one person and kill it for sure. I like my control abilities on target, I like to save the clerics **** with a successful pitfall/hailstorm freeze or stone rain stun. I like the -chan bonus I get from demon spark and believe me I cant wait to learn demon wellspring quaff and emberstorm.

People have their preferences you know, don't generalize. Everything here is about play style...

eppc · October 2009

RedSpeller - Sanctuary wrote: »

This kind of post really start to be annoying. Yeah sage get more damage in theory from masteries, but in fact the channeling bonus demon get let them cast more spells than a sage wizard and at the end: same DPS.
You can say what you want, I don't regret at all my choice. You like to spam ultimates? Great! I prefer to focus on one person and kill it for sure. I like my control abilities on target, I like to save the clerics **** with a successful pitfall/hailstorm freeze or stone rain stun. I like the -chan bonus I get from demon spark and believe me I cant wait to learn demon wellspring quaff and emberstorm.

People have their preferences you know, don't generalize. Everything here is about play style...

seems you are sure about rapidly attacking rather then nuking..... WE ARE TALKNIG ABOUT MAGES HERE, AND MAGES ARE SUPPOSED TO NUKE WHATEVER THEY WANT, WE ARENT TALKNIG (i keeped this to mention this is starting to be considered n!ggering by me) ABOUT FIST BMS WITH INSANE ATK/S....

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · October 2009

RedSpeller - Sanctuary wrote: »

This kind of post really start to be annoying. Yeah sage get more damage in theory from masteries, but in fact the channeling bonus demon get let them cast more spells than a sage wizard and at the end: same DPS.
You can say what you want, I don't regret at all my choice. You like to spam ultimates? Great! I prefer to focus on one person and kill it for sure. I like my control abilities on target, I like to save the clerics **** with a successful pitfall/hailstorm freeze or stone rain stun. I like the -chan bonus I get from demon spark and believe me I cant wait to learn demon wellspring quaff and emberstorm.

People have their preferences you know, don't generalize. Everything here is about play style...

Check Some TW videos. Then you will realize that ultimates are everything in TW. And TW are this, why we playing or not?b:laugh

Adroit - Lost City · October 2009

eppc wrote: »

stone barrier: noob..... BALANCE OUT YOUR DEF!! DONT STACK WHAT YOU HAVE!! YOU WILL BE EVEN MORE SQUISHY AGAINST BM/BARB/ARCH 'S!! sheesh...

I really don't have time to tell you how bad you are at this game... but this just made me lol. Assuming you are arcane at 90+ (which every decent mage is) you need the pdef. The base arcane gear has high mres and low pdef... which you balance with shards and belt/neck/mods on other gear. I already have a ton of earth resist... and I'm still short on pdef.. only a n00b would think you need more earth resist.

mazzle · October 2009

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I really don't have time to tell you how bad you are at this game... but this just made me lol. Assuming you are arcane at 90+ (which every decent mage is) you need the pdef. The base arcane gear has high mres and low pdef... which you balance with shards and belt/neck/mods on other gear. I already have a ton of earth resist... and I'm still short on pdef.. only a n00b would think you need more earth resist.

YOU NEED MOAAR EARTH RESIS!! serously, why even reply to this thread oO.
I thought it was a troll so i didnt give my opinion b:shutup

RedSpeller - Sanctuary · October 2009

eppc wrote: »

seems you are sure about rapidly attacking rather then nuking..... WE ARE TALKNIG ABOUT MAGES HERE, AND MAGES ARE SUPPOSED TO NUKE WHATEVER THEY WANT, WE ARENT TALKNIG (i keeped this to mention this is starting to be considered n!ggering by me) ABOUT FIST BMS WITH INSANE ATK/S....

I don't see any problem if the same job is done. In this world you can except the same results with different methods. High dps or spike damage do the same thing, people will die anyway -_-".

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Check Some TW videos. Then you will realize that ultimates are everything in TW. And TW are this, why we playing or not?b:laugh

Losstarot TW videos
Check his TW video, He's doing quite well without ultis.

Oh other thing, I'm playing from France and as a stutend I don't have the time to get up at 5am and go TW. I focus more on instances farming and open pk.

As I said above its all about preferences and play style, if you guys can't show any tolerance to people who don't think or act like you, I can't do nothing for you.

Side note: This type of threads are really pointless, we see one every week, someone come like he was the messiah with great revelations but hey, if someone choose a path 'cauz a random told him so, he didn't get the purpose of being sage or demon.

Adroit - Lost City · October 2009

RedSpeller - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't see any problem if the same job is done. In this world you can except the same results with different methods. High dps or spike damage do the same thing, people will die anyway -_-".

Losstarot TW videos
Check his TW video, He's doing quite well without ultis.

Oh other thing, I'm playing from France and as a stutend I don't have the time to get up at 5am and go TW. I focus more on instances farming and open pk.

As I said above its all about preferences and play style, if you guys can't show any tolerance to people who don't think or act like you, I can't do nothing for you.

Side note: This type of threads are really pointless, we see one every week, someone come like he was the messiah with great revelations but hey, if someone choose a path 'cauz a random told him so, he didn't get the purpose of being sage or demon.

those videos are really bad -.- That mage sucks for his level/gear.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · October 2009

RedSpeller - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't see any problem if the same job is done. In this world you can except the same results with different methods. High dps or spike damage do the same thing, people will die anyway -_-".

Losstarot TW videos
Check his TW video, He's doing quite well without ultis.

Oh other thing, I'm playing from France and as a stutend I don't have the time to get up at 5am and go TW. I focus more on instances farming and open pk.

As I said above its all about preferences and play style, if you guys can't show any tolerance to people who don't think or act like you, I can't do nothing for you.

Side note: This type of threads are really pointless, we see one every week, someone come like he was the messiah with great revelations but hey, if someone choose a path 'cauz a random told him so, he didn't get the purpose of being sage or demon.

Yep I know this mage. I have no doubt that he would even better. Check his videos at arena. He is always running from opponent(that is normal), but he is gaining chi. As soon as he has chi, he 3spark and win the battle. You can see, that for him is chi, the most important and without chi he has to run away till he has full sparks. Sage mage will gain this chi much earlier, so his chance to survive is much bigger.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · October 2009

2. your increased channeling benefit time stacks with your channeling gear.

You telling about 25% faster channeling for 15s? b:laugh
Is NOTHING especially, if we consider, that he cannot use 3 spark as often as a sage mage. Much more important is taking 25% less damage for 15s. Especially if other classes have lower channeling time or no channeling time. For 15s they can hit couple time, so If demon mage doesn't 1 shot them, he will start receiving a lot of damage from them. Which 25% reducing damage is much worth, than for 15s faster channeling time. Is not sutra it has just 25% faster channeling which is not significant different. Significant different is using sutra.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · October 2009

And also This demon mage which is on videos using ultimates too. But he has to have full 3spark so he is gaining chi as he has full chi, he sparked and then he will use +spark apothecary pot, then he use frostblade to fill up 2 spark and then he use utilities.

Damaged - Lost City · October 2009

replace "full" with "troll" in topic title

/endtopic

prof · October 2009

my comparison > yours

8/10 skills are better dark.

RedSpeller - Sanctuary · October 2009

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

2. your increased channeling benefit time stacks with your channeling gear.

You telling about 25% faster channeling for 15s? b:laugh
Is NOTHING especially, if we consider, that he cannot use 3 spark as often as a sage mage. Much more important is taking 25% less damage for 15s. Especially if other classes have lower channeling time or no channeling time. For 15s they can hit couple time, so If demon mage doesn't 1 shot them, he will start receiving a lot of damage from them. Which 25% reducing damage is much worth, than for 15s faster channeling time. Is not sutra it has just 25% faster channeling which is not significant different. Significant different is using sutra.

The problem with sutra is the cooldown, 1 minute cooldown is long.
I prefer demon wellspring, getting 1 spark isnt that hard in a fight and its spammable.

I've -21% from gear and with the -25% from demon spark I really feel the difference. You forget to take in account that -chan also affect cast time whereas stura don't. With the channeling bonus we get from demon version of our skills we can gain back the spark and even more chi, I do it already with demon spark, and I know it'll be possible with wellspring (you loose 3 seconds with the demon spark animation which mean the -25% bonus only last 12sec, whereas wellspring is instant with -20%, the 5% you loose is compensated by the instant cast and its a free divine pyro and 20 more chi).

For the received damage side, don't forget demon wizard have a higher blink distance, FoW with a lowered cooldown. And generally, the sutra animation is screaming "Plz stun/seal me".

I think you should revise your position on the -chan behavior, 'cauz it really make a difference. You should really test it out.

prof · October 2009

RedSpeller - Sanctuary wrote: »

Losstarot TW videos

never use him as an example of a good mage. rank 8 and still terrible at this game. b:bye

Sancrkf - Heavens Tear · October 2009

<--- timing freak... going demon... thank you

RedSpeller - Sanctuary · October 2009

prof wrote: »

never use him as an example of a good mage. rank 8 and still terrible at this game. b:bye

Well I didn't say he was owning everyone, I just said he was killing people without difficulties like Mumin was saying. It was the only link I had under my hand when I answered. I know you're demon too so if you have made some vids prof (or have better ones), I would be glad to see them ^^.

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