so whats this age old BS about baning WF's for fb29/gouf?

Kelovar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

IMO, it gives venos an unfair advantage to venos over other classes, being able to solo tough bosses all alone, even if their own level is lower/near the boss's. These bosses are meant to be hard to kill, needing either a full party or some high levels. Anyways, exploiting glitches is not my thing xD

Then I suggest to ban everyone who used glitch to zhen party... b:bye

Kelovar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It gives venos an unfair advantage to venos over other classes, being able to solo tough bosses all alone, even if their own level is lower/near the boss's. These bosses are meant to be hard to kill, needing either a full party or some high levels.

I would say any glitch that makes it effectively effortless for the veno is unfair. However techniques, such as luring the mob through the door in FB29, aren't in my opinion unfair. Why? Because when you consider them, they don't so much remove the difficulty as simply speed up the process.

You could say, well pulling through the door allows you to avoid the tower. But really if they can't kill the tower how are they going to kill the boss? Or you could say it allows them to avoid the mobs inside the boss room. But they're even weaker than the enemies around the tower.

Frankly banning for FB29 and similar would be stupid. However I could see warnings and eventually bans for killing tough mobs outside of the dungeons. But, like others have said, I'd really like to see the GMs two-cents on this issue. Better now when the debate is sensible than later when its just a pointless flame war.

Kelovar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That is the interesting part of TOS concerning this. We all agree it's a glitch/bug. The part that is more debatable is the unfair advantage one.

IMO, it gives venos an unfair advantage to venos over other classes, being able to solo tough bosses all alone, even if their own level is lower/near the boss's. These bosses are meant to be hard to kill, needing either a full party or some high levels. Anyways, exploiting glitches is not my thing xD

I'm sorry but by your defenition a beast is gaining an unfair advantage cos it can easily tank really strong melee attack enemies and a Wiz has an unfair advantage because it has massive magic defences.
Any veno I've ever seen alive would gladly help a party complete the boss using the "bug", I'd like to see beasts&clerics be so willing to tank it.

Then the biggest massive crazy HUGE issue here is that its a lvl 40-something boss/quest, ultimately 20 lvls down the line when the game actually "starts" it made no difference whatsoever. There is no advantage or gain over other classes because every class has his/her own strong/weak points.

If venos where really 5x stronger than other clases why is it that venos are not 5-10 levels ahead of the curve?

Seilen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

In that how about mobs agroing and attacking thru walls, will they or admins get banned for glitching ?

This game still have so many bugs that need to be fixed.

Anyway Gouf is too hard and there is few more bosses that you need team with some ppl 20 lvl higher then you, and its not for stupid quest you can skip now and do several levels later, its for cutlivation quests you have to finish to actualy learn new skills.

I would actually really see group of ppl which actually just get quest to kill gouf without glitching or help of someone much higher. Gouf onehit anyone without heavy armor which cannot do even more stronger bosses later in game.

I dont realy actualy care anymore, as we are able kill so far most of not all bosses till lvl 70+ but its not fair for starting guils with just lower players.

we had a level 45 barb, the rest of the team was all 40ish and we didnt glitch him. The only person to die was me when he respawned and come running at me before i could fly out of range. so it is posiable to kill him if you have a good team without exploiting bugs b:victory

What I really don' t understand is how people say that it is unable to be done by characters in that level range with out using the glitch.

I have helped numerous parties do Gouf as the only Cleric starting in my mid 40's. I have even done it with 2 blademasters with hp's only hovering around 2k each and kept them alive. Let me tell you, that was a chore since they don't have enough aggro skills to keep aggro off of archers and mages. But, once you understand the mechanics of aggro, and get EVERYONE in the party on the same page (no idiotic mavericks trying to out nuke each other) then it becomes an extremely managable encounter in the 40s.

If you try with a barb, and he keeps losing aggro, then that barb needs to learn how to use his aggro skills better and perhaps the one "stealing" aggro needs to back off the skills every once in a while.

Another epidemic I am seeing is that way too many melee classes believe that if a Cleric is in the group, they suddenly are allowed to forget they have potions. Barbs get massive aggro skills and phys def as well as huge hps when in tiger form. Your job is simple : don't worry about your damage numbers, just constantly keep aggro as best you can, and make sure your build has high hps. Heal when you get hurt just as you would when no Cleric is around, and the Cleric keeps you alive.

Damage dealers: manage your damage output. It's not a race or a contest when you work together. Sure it's fun to brag about how much damage you do, but if you out aggro the tank, or if he/she misses on a ripping bite aggro attack, then you start running around like an idiot because you know you are going to die in 1 vs 1 on a boss. Now, because you didn't manage your damage, you cause a whole team to fail. Good going, show off. Job NOT well done.

Blademasters : you are NOT tanks, but sometimes can become pseudo-tanks against certain critters. Sure you can make a build with lots of hps with the help of good gear. But that is not what makes a tank. You have one aggro skill. One. It is a lower level skill that easily gets out-aggro'd by archers and mages (heck, even by Int build venos). Just spam your skills when needed. Your damage per hit isn't as great as casters, but you hit much faster, hence, you are a damage dealing class against bosses. Also, you have a self healing skill AND a physical def buff. USE THEM if you are forced into "playing" tank.

And yes, everyone, even the Admins have stated that luring is what venos do. That is not abusing a glitch. However, attacking any mob where the "I can't attack the player/pet so I am going to full auto" script is not allowed to do it's job is considered abusing a glitch. And as such, has been stated that players caught bugging mobs such as Gouf will be punished.

If you "have never, ever, ever, ever seen anyone beat Gouf normally", then you either never tried or cared to learn the right way, or you have been surrounded by players who really don't understand their characters and are not very good at team work.

Ok so from today I'm going to report every archer I see abusing the bombard bug to zhen, thus gaining a MASSIVE exp advatage over other clases purely by using a pretty obvious exploit that affects his char well into the endgame.

so let me get this straight ... a veno can't use an air pet to attack a land boss? if that is correct if thats what im gathering from the thread ... that is so ridiculously dumb. any player can make that supposed bannable offense because this action is clearly the best way to attack the boss as it gives them a tactical advantage over the boss. where in the rulebook of Perfect World saying that you can't do that. if its unintended, fix it !!!

I'm annoyed by different opinions that should clearly not be here, but GM's _response_ to the matter.

this place is made for us to discuss and share our opinions. if its not the right place, its the mods job to lock it and/or delete it.

swiftlikeafox wrote: »

I'm with the "if it's a bug then friggen FIX it!!!" crowd 110%, for a player to be banned simply for using that which is available in the game is completely rediculous, and believe me, even if i had the time to read about all the bugs i'm not supposed to be "exploiting" I would not do so, the game is not so much fun if you have to play in fear that the slightest little in game action could get you banned, you wanna ban someone ban the hackers using altered code and 3rd party software, leave the rest of us alone, and if you don't want us to "exploit" it then FIX it!!!!!!!!!!b:angry

Myself, I would intentionally leave the bug there. I'd then ban every player that uses it, which would eventually weed out all the abusive players that do not know how to play a game properly, leaving behind only good players.

Ricecake - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I just did a search and found a pretty official answer to it.



http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=60822&page=3

From a thread about bugging bosses.

Sadly, that's not the thread corresponding to the official word. That's a pretty generic answer that could be given for bots or game modifications alike. The subject of discussion is neither.
I'm asking about their own particular failiure to fix a bug that they seem to be punishing US, the players for.

If the boss "glitching" is banable, what isn't? Barbarians tanking, Venos luring. Oh right, sorry, Venos can't lure now either.
I'll be sure to report any venomancer luring a mob.

Kyou - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sadly, that's not the thread corresponding to the official word. That's a pretty generic answer that could be given for bots or game modifications alike. The subject of discussion is neither.
I'm asking about their own particular failiure to fix a bug that they seem to be punishing US, the players for.

If the boss "glitching" is banable, what isn't? Barbarians tanking, Venos luring. Oh right, sorry, Venos can't lure now either.
I'll be sure to report any venomancer luring a mob.

how is barbarians tanking a glitch? cuz they have high hp? lmaob:laugh

So is there a list of things you aren't supposed to do... preferably more specific than "don't exploit bugs" if you don't actually KNOW the bugs?

I'm assuming the Venomancer luring isn't a bug, but from the looks of it, sometimes it is?

EDIT: I can understand that there might be no money for fixing known bugs in an F2P game, but they could at least put an NPC to the appropiate location explaining the situation there. Give it a recognozable name such as "Bug Warner".

Lycanthropia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=91881

Moderator answer, where he quoted that a bug or error abused is a ban.

but still no GM telling us if GLITCHING is bannable.

we don't want report someone or discuss a ban, just to know.

XARFOX please answer us buy a "yes, it is" or "no, it isn't" !!!!

Read the terms of service, using any bug/glitch in the game is against the rules.

Lycanthropia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

glitching is not a bug, it's the AI the devs made that make the mob not to attack a flying pet.

still waiting for a GM..... they never answered that.

Rofl...read ToS or post ticket to GM's. You get the same answer that everyone here gives you, its exploiting a bug,against the rules and bannable offense. Do at your own risk, GM's do ban for those.

There is no other view on the matter.

Lycanthropia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

everyone say that, i'm ok.

banned players? where/ who ? i never saw a player banned for that, only rummors.

if the answer is so easy, why no GM (and not moderator or players) just answer HERE that :

Glitching is a bug, so it is bannable.

is it so hard to have, finnally, the official answer?

Go here: Support

Post a ticket to GM's and ask yourself, instead of trying to justify your cheating.

First they warn then they ban. Thats the info they told me.

I got my answers from them. And it is clearly stated on ToS too.

do we say that we want to use this glitch?
stop saying BS please, read the post, understand it, and then reply.
we just want to KNOW if is bannable or not. understood now?

for the class, why saying veno is easy? make one, up to a level where mobs are harder to kill (not 30ish) and then you'll be able to say that it is easy or not.