Multi-Clienting Temporarily Disabled - Discussion

amadhan#6486 wrote: »

This will not return to what it was,if was any intention to reinstate it would be mentioned,I am as so many,am just watching a game i enjoyed die and moving on and yeah isnt much more to say here except view

Even if things do to revert back to the way it was , the damage has already been done and players' opinions of the game/company have changed so yeah some might be skeptical about ever returning , as you see they've thrown those much wanted Cash Shop Sales in an attempt to keep those who still play reeled in . I myself have gone back to a monitoring position instead of playing.

mistressani wrote: »

amadhan#6486 wrote: »

This will not return to what it was,if was any intention to reinstate it would be mentioned,I am as so many,am just watching a game i enjoyed die and moving on and yeah isnt much more to say here except view

Even if things do to revert back to the way it was , the damage has already been done and players' opinions of the game/company have changed so yeah some might be skeptical about ever returning , as you see they've thrown those much wanted Cash Shop Sales in an attempt to keep those who still play reeled in . I myself have gone back to a monitoring position instead of playing.

Definitely NEVER going back to any sort of "good ole days" state. even before this cluster$%#% that was evident. ppl who have played this game for 7+ years all should be familiar with all the well known milestones in PWI's storied history of player abuse.

but people keep spending the money so they will never get the point. look at how they just ignore everything even, everyone has started to cry themselves quiet which is exactly what Arcgames knew would happen. you think Kalyst doesnt have decent knowledge of these sorts of social trends, it's even in the job description for her job.

it was a bright hope in my heart that after they managed to get archosaur studios back inhouse that the game would start seeing some more intelligent design, but no. not this version. they dont want to do custom content for us but they won't give us the same environment to go with it. then they tell us how reasonably planned these things are, and that they care... didnt they just post some inane story of in-game romance? i mean i see more instances of that on forums and in WC, but to all of a sudden post something not related to either:

1) an expansion
-or-
2) cash shop

yeah... thats not suspicious at all......

and still not a peep about these problems. no explanation, no mea culpa, not acknowledgement. they are going to remove their heads from their rectums and fix the arc client issues in about the time it takes to farm r9 in-game with no money then give us "x5 exp/drops/money" and some s chests, and most people will gladly return to patronizing them until the next time they decide to hit us in the face with a beer can.

i really hope more states start regulating chance boxes, and online content sales, companies like this dont deserve to be in business with practices like this.

Rightfully and truthfully said @dagoddominator in my personal playing experience over the years the pwi player base curve has fluctuated up and down but this time it seems to have flatlined itself, there's only so much people can take before admitting the bitter reality of the situation, sure we'd all like to hope that things might turn around for the better but in all honesty it's just heading in a much worse off direction because the devs refuse to listen to the voices of the player base. Then there's also the mentality of "If it doesn't affect me why should I care" so those who have choosen to remain give the impression that the actions and changes taken against them is acceptable so there's no need for adjustments and the issues get swept under the carpet. I'm waiting for official word coming out of China which would ultimately be my deciding factor if I stay or uninstall

It would be best to make Perfect World 3, instead of trying to salvage this one. However, seeing as the game is still very popular in China I would guess Wanmei might consider upgrading the game's engine to be more profitable. That's assuming the rumors about them working on a new game engine to be true. Though with the game becoming increasingly unplayable in mass events they really need to do something about it. I truly wonder how the Chinese players play, considering their servers are far more populated.
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babyhas2legs wrote: »

What came to mind for me is this...Just like the day PWI put an end to playing 2 accounts at once, and the factions closed down ect....without a notice to the player base. Same thing can happen to this game ending. With no notice or warning. Sounds so drastic and we all would be shocked by what happens to us and our toons. But they dont have to tell us, or owe us a dime. So prepare yourself people beause it can happen. Right now they are still not changing anything back..but you see how they continue to push goods for sale and alot of it! Do they want to get as much $$ as possible before it goes under? If not why aren't they conerned people want answers and or leaving the game, or are upset by the changes. If you are the owners of a bussiness and are shutting down/locking the doors..grab the cash and go in the night!

actually..... they would most likely be forced to refund the last 6 months to a years worth of zen transactions if they were to do an abrupt closure. there is precedence in other cases of this. im also waaaay too lazy to research a specific one, but i distinctly remember this with another popular game closing.

if anything they will counter that by just killing the cash shop and making most everything save a few strategic things pretty much available in game for the last 6 months of operation, then cut CS and all other services they would usually have to keep staffed up.

did they give any notice when they closed swordsman?

dagoddominator wrote: »

did they give any notice when they closed swordsman?

As far as I know Swordsman is still online and I don't see any news related to the game being shot down so far.
I think that maybe you are confusing it with War of the Immortals or Battle of the Immortals. Those 2 games were shot down on january. As far as I understand they did refund zen on those games but as "zen" and not as actual real money. With this I mean that the money that people charged on those games was returned to them as zen to be used on other games.

Other game that is being shot down this year is Gigantic, in that case they did precisely what you said. They made a 6+ month anticipation post and disable the cash shop.

Here is the news post about gigantic:
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/Gigantic/news/detail/10748144-gigantic's-final-update



The problem that I see on how PWE handle PWI is that at some point (I would say 1 to 2 years ago aprox) they started only focusing on Big spenders, and not in a good way. What I mean with this is that they only care now for the people that spend thousands of dollars in game, they also expect that those people keep spending thousands per month or even week. And I guess that everyone else can f*** themselves from their point of view.
You can clearly notice this on how their promos now only target the ultra rich people, and how pretty much everything that you could farm in the past is now removed or nerfed from the game. There are a few dungeons that can still be farmed for profit but those are focused on the people that already is well geared, examples would be DH and UP.
Problem with this aproach is that a game that tries to stay alive by draining thousands from a few have way less chances to survive than a game that have thousands of players that cash a few dollars.

In the case of PWI, the only thing that is keeping it alive is the ludopaths that spend thousands per months on keys and packs. And few others that are still gearing up and are rich enough IRL to put money on a game as expensive as this one.
But even those people will eventually give up and quit. I mean what is the point of having godly gear if all your friends and rivals are gone? if all factions are dead? if all PVP and PVE events are dead?
I guess the point would be to one shot lvl 30 mobs with Nuema Portal and g17s5 Or stay afk on archo showing off but to who????

Don't get me wrong, I know I sound negative with all this. First I have to say that I don't have anything against big spenders, heck i did cash on this game in the past but I also farmed a lot and was a merchant during long time. The thing is that there need to be balance in the game to keep it alive. But sadly pwe along with pwc has done everything on their hands to destroy that balance during the last time.
Yes, the whole base lock and forced arc fiasco may seem like something terrible for many, but for me is just "The straw that broke the camel’s back" since they been doing stuff like this during years now.

@heero200 It's not so much the force ARC implimentation/Dual logining enforcement but it's also the faction base lock update as well the game offers little or nothing for completely new and F2P players , Cash Shop supporting should be a choice not a manditory obligation in order to enjoy the overall gaming experience. Heck I myself use to CS occiasionally when I started PWI but I won't because with each update the devs try to force your hand into spending. It's diverting the focus that this an MMORPG by removing events, making instances pointless and lowering the drop rates and a bunch of other stuff while shifting more on the PVP aspect/Vitual Sims feature thats killing the game.

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I'll be honest, when I first saw the people freaking out over lootboxes in more popular/modern games, I was like "yeeeeah, we've been dealing with that **** for 9 years over here and now your quasi-murderous rage is cute and nostalgic."

@armoftheland / @dagoddominator ... this discussion kinda makes me wonder what would happen if I made a thread to compile opinions on what a hypothetical "new, fixed" server would look like. I mean, I've certainly got my own laundry list of changes I'd make, and it'd be interesting to see how they'd square with you guys' and others...

@heero200 - My wife and I have charged maybe a few hundred over the life of the game, almost all of which was spent on storage, a few fashion pieces, a couple of marriage pack sets, or the occasional mount or flyer. The one exception is when I bought her a harpy pet when they were on sale last year. At no point have we spent any money on gear or sold to any other players for coin. So while I doubt PWE would lose much sleep over us quitting, they might want to pause over the fact that we're the tip of the iceberg compared to the couple dozen people I've seen quit since this fiasco started on the forums alone, several of whom had stories of additional friends leaving and factions which turned dead overnight (both of which I can personally attest to seeing as well).

@greenfire312 i certainly have my ideas, after playing a few different games and spending time researching mechanics and the finer points of game design. i think most of the more hardcore purists would want to rollback to before tideborn, then the second group would be fine going up to earthguard. I personally think all the content so far is okay but needs balancing. the spread between initial levels and pro levels of refining, cards, chart, and shards in relation to the gear makes for a very unbalanced endgame. the game was originally intended to hit 150, and having to stuff all 50 post-100 levels into 5 was the original sin. rebirth levels were a great idea and re-leveling with great gear was fun and nostalgic.

but the fact that there is such a huge gap between the maxed stats and the level of gear/stats that is normally the ceiling for free-but-efficient players is too great is causing the larger problem. gear > skill right? most people would agree in this game. the Chinese game is dealing mostly r8r toons right? because r9 is rare and hard to acquire.... but all that "international money" is too good to pass up.

its not even feasible for new players to enter this game without $5k to burn and a LOT of time.

I wish we could go back to TT like instances that you NEEDED a party for (not like now where its solo-able, but back then when tt99 and nirvy was tops) instead of daily-bound instances with just bosses.

and @heero200 i fully understand why ppl should support the game since its free.... but not when they are doing **** like this. in THIS case people SHOULD stop spending. it is the only thing that will force a response. and even if they close the game... why would anyone be okay acknowledging this abusive sort of relationship to have with a game?

they have posted cash shop updates consistently through this crisis, but refuse to even address us in an honest fashion about these problems. just lies and pretense. and people are going to keep spending and spending until they finally do something so stupid even the mindless cashers get upset.

nah. dont expect anything. its been 5 weeks since i stopped playing this game. gm's are meh. only responds to you when charging or anything charging related questions. mods are even more so... they don't know anything and still responds to this. idc even if you ban this account or even ban my in game account coz im not gonna ever login to this game and forums again. take care everyone. @dblazen1 keep trolling in the forums you might as well get a life.

opshrooms#2772 wrote: »

the 9th of last month this happened.....its now almost the 9th of this month......and still nothing.... nada .....zilch.....oh hai

memegirl2 wrote: »

Well people this is March 5th 2018 and still no response to our questions.

Surprised?

@jsxshadow Joe, I went share same expectations. A total revamp of game, a new server designed by player base or even just they take Arc out.

Tomorrow servers will reset, maybe Kallist bring news about fix some bugs, about they found and done with a certain 'culprit' and maybe our loveable old game still take a chance to remain like their customers wants [Dream on!]

stealraine81 wrote: »

this using arc is getting old. ive never had any security issues with my accounts. it should be left up to me to decide to use Arc or not, not have it forced upon me.

This.

dagoddominator wrote: »

to me, there is always a problem in comparing china to pwi. i cant for the life of me give any other reasoning for china to want to sync our versions content is laziness. we get the rules but not the environment, the cash shop is apparently nowhere near similar, and the dev's pay attention to chinese forums in some fashion.

arcgames uses the excuse that they dont develop the game to hide behind while they set unreasonable prices for items and support the removal of those items from normal in-game means.

This.

greenfire312 wrote: »

I'll be honest, when I first saw the people freaking out over lootboxes in more popular/modern games, I was like "yeeeeah, we've been dealing with that **** for 9 years over here and now your quasi-murderous rage is cute and nostalgic."

I have a similar reaction in other games too. It's crazy how this game prepares your expectations for others. In another wildly popular MMO people are constantly crying that the creators are introducing P2W through adding things to cash shop that speed up progress (while these things are easily and freely available in the game, the cash version is only faster). I have to shake my head and thank Pan Gu that these people don't know the horror of true pay to win!

greenfire312 wrote: »

@armoftheland / @dagoddominator ... this discussion kinda makes me wonder what would happen if I made a thread to compile opinions on what a hypothetical "new, fixed" server would look like. I mean, I've certainly got my own laundry list of changes I'd make, and it'd be interesting to see how they'd square with you guys' and others...

I'd say go for it. I think it would be a really interesting discussion. Just don't expect that things will change because of it!!!

heero200 wrote: »

If we as a Community want PWI to be around we are the ones that have to support it. BUT PWE also need to do their part...

I think the last part of that is key.... No one here is asking for F2P to be viable because everyone expects to play 100% for free. Many people pay money to this game, some people a LOT of money.

Lets just say I currently pay a monthly subscription fee to three separate MMOs, and what I pay monthly for all three combined is saving me money compared to what I would spend on PWI.

I could write a book, but in the end charging a bit to hang around not really progressing or playing any new content is a tall order, especially for the quality of life the game has right now after PWI has sapped all progression items from in game sources.

Add to that - money means nothing. You can win the lottery and throw it at PWI and you still won't get half of your support inquiries handled in an acceptable fashion (some not even handled at all). And you can hang out with us here and listen to the crickets chirp whether you're free to play or you single-handedly covered the cost of the servers running this quarter.

The answer here isn't "It's tough times at PWI, charge to support the company" because tons of us supported the company much more than any reasonable customer would for years. It changes nothing. The answer here is PWE needs to cut the excuses and start treating this like a business, a LEGAL one, or watch it die. Simple.

PWE suggested they had some sort of breach that caused all of this multiclienting enforced arc ****. If that is true, if there was a security breach, they are legally required to report this to their customers in writing immediately:

(b) Any agency that maintains computerized data that includes
personal information that the agency does not own shall notify the
owner or licensee of the information of any breach of the security of
the data immediately following discovery, if the personal
information was, or is reasonably believed to have been, acquired by
an unauthorized person.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_1251-1300/ab_1298_bill_20071014_chaptered.html

So at this point I would say PWE either is straight up lying (likely), or in direct contradiction of the law. And you want me to give them my credit card info? Nah, son. No way.​​

Since we have passed the deadline for a response after the Chinese Holiday, this is what i think... I feel something has happened to the people that serve our game. Wouldn't we have some kind of response to all these questions by now? If you are a casher, I would be careful how much I buy with real money. The only response is not answers, but the sales are up along with login rewards and for us to spend money as usual. Just saying.