09/19 PWCN expansion release, fantasy theme park

SB and DB skills are underwhelming.

SB's only + is the chance increase on Tidal Force's hits for Stun/occult effect.

It's nice that Blinking can purify now I guess but since only lvl10 glyph is 100% chance..meh xD

Really weird tho. How unfair some classes get treated...

BMs: Aside from the 100% available stun on Flame it's pretty much an useless update for this class. Every Demon BM upgrading to the new Dragon Rising...seriously..just don't.

Wizards: Divine could be nice with insta-cast probability if you need just one more fast, little hit and Life Reversion is something for the technical people. Interesting skill but no where close to OP.

Clerics: A long overdue upgrade for Guardian light. Either anti-Stun or more damage reduction (I prefer reduction) and siren's kiss. Meh, minor upgrade but it is better than the original.

Archer: EA sounds nice with AOE max speed and all (good old Holy Path times ) so this is a decent upgrade, even for yourself but Knockback..if it is PvP enabled then it is godlike but that doesn't seem to be the case unfortunately.

Barb: OP upgrades. Blood Rush for either 400% extra weap damage (trip spark is 500% and stacks) for nearly 60 seconds or a whopping 100 additional def level for nearly 60 seconds. Insane. Violent Triumph is also insane. Chance to increase damage on the next skill..arma is already OP xDD if times well...man xDD

Veno: Antinomy is nice for the MP burn (for the OP combo potentialzzzz) and for more damage to wreck in IW proc more. Fossilized is nice for the save option. Paralyze + immunize you and your target...take someone out of the game and stay alive. Nice. if used correctly.

Sins: Paralyze on Tele stun...thank god Toxic is just a minor upgrade but another Paralyze? Cause it's hard to start a fight with 5 charges for Cursed Jail, interrupting, using Inner Harmony for 3 hits and some life hunter action to jump on any kiting target to finish the job with 4+ seconds of further paralyze. Good old days when anti-stun effects have been usefull vs sins. CN-Devs..are you serious?

Psys: Welp, as expected, all minor, not even worth a mention, tbh. they got SoS tho..so they have all they need already.

Mystics: I like the upgrades...gonna have to see if the effect immunity on Tornado is actually for you OR for the enemy to prevent them from getting air-locked. First Option would be damn nice and latter...welp not so much The heal is also significantly more useful than before. Might even start using it then

Seeker: Here is how they went overboard...what a shetshow..seriously..

10000% aps increase on rewinding gesture for 18 seconds min? What the EFF?! Aps goes through Untargetable as well..and if a trip spark + ulti + SS Seeker attacks you 3.33 (cap) times per second you can expect to die in a few seconds no matter who you are. Depending on the enemies gears..even with purify spell xD before you can even move the stacked damage will most likely get you killed. SB ANTI APS BUFF FTW!!!! xDD Blade Affinity is just as stupid..upto 100% tidal for 6 seconds that is usable every 30 seconds...gg wp..and increase the chan decrease time for 5 seconds as well on standard cause seeker are not OP enough already. With that update seeker will surpass sins in terms of OPness.

Welp.

mars19 wrote: »

短时间内增加10000%的命中率，持续12秒。

So it really is 10000? Really xDDDD

I checked all numbers with game when did translation. Picture for barbs from news for example says up from 25 sec to 90 sec while ingame it 80 sec at 10lvl, so they even nerfed it xD.
Anyway release will be next week and they as always will fix descriptions/nerf or up some skills.

Honestly I hope they nerf it but not with overkill something balanced but it's pwcn and a tidal balance took nearly 3 years to happen so all I can say if no nerf is done is a seeker can force genie already with argent edged blur after getting you to blow genie they can proceed to stun/freeze into APS purge G174th cast...

If this doesn't kill you next time around you won't have genie or pot to save you so you just die...

suggestionman#1119 wrote: »

mars19 wrote: »

短时间内增加10000%的命中率，持续12秒。

Are you sure that's attack rate ? Google translate says "hit rate" so I believe it's accuracy and that would make more sense.

Russia's forum translate like aps..
Check this

https://pw.mail.ru/forums/showthread.php?t=206070
Or copy and paste on Google
Изумрудная руна. Убирает старые эффекты. Увеличивает скорость атаки 10000%.

asterelle wrote: »

I did a cross search of the term "命中率" with other chinese skills and compared that with the English skill descriptions. It's definitely accuracy.​​

Which skills}?
So Al's glyphs are really aps or what?

asterelle wrote: »

Here's an example on Demon Bow Mastery but there are plenty of others.

Check the tooltip for accuracy in the char sheet too.​​

So sk's glyph isn't aps? Correctly?

There are indeed 2 terms for accuracy but all uses of "命中率" in skill descriptions so far have been translated as "accuracy" and none of them get translated as "attack rate".

These are the only skills the term appears in:
●Sandstorm
Sandburst Blast
●Sandburst Blast
○Sandburst Blast
ΨSandburst Blast
○Winged Blessing
Rumbling Thunder
Earth Claw　
Piercing Flames​​

If it's 1000% accuracy it's still nice in 1v1 and arena

Where was the SS taken(Looks very much like Archo)? I cant seem to find it. Unless they are again doing update first on certain servers and my toon is on the wrong one?

Edit: Never "update" CN client when going to afk, appareantly it didnt update my client but I could log on and it wasnt till after I saw almost completely empty west that I suspected a thing. It was a 15min update when I finally figured it out but yea, I imagine I can maybe find it now, lol.

jsxshadow wrote: »

@dregenfox I still pray for the day IW is removed completely or fixed to 180% as well.

Please come on... we need something in return then. I'd suggest 10000000 phys penetration for it for 10 sec, just like normal IW but for a fox only, but it's never going to happen.

I wonder, if you say zero combo is so non-efficient (and you are not the only one who says that ) and luck based and nerfed by def charms, why do ppl complain on it then? It's non efficient, luck-based and nerfed by def charms (it's truly so. In good old times you could press 2 buttons and wait for it to proc and then win, but with time it went close to impossible to organize everything for it to perform successfully - to remove def charm 4 times, to keep the pet alive, to force enemy to use his genie so he can't defend while you are killing... meh). The best advantage of it is that you don't need to sacrifice anything. You don't need to turn your genie into some inviable build just for 1 skill. You don't need to wait for ages for cd (wait, you need to wait for antinomy, but if it's mass pk, arena, tw, you can at least rely on your squad mates). You don't sacrifice your attack (like with skills with argent glyphs) you can do your usual fox job without restrictions.

jsxshadow wrote: »

In 1v1..a veno that actually plays decently, lile kitashi, is alot more dangerous than a veno purely going for IW.

Nobody said you should go for IW proc only. Oh, just a sec, dregenfox said. Nvm, it's not true fox It probably never played a fox or just trolling xd

As for veno doing 1v1, there were a lot of discussions here where all admitted that veno is not 1v1 char. All you need is immune nova with genie every 30 sec and you are safe. Nothing else can kill you cuz nova is the only long lasting cc in which def charms won't proc. Others are negligible. Bewith allows to use def charms, 3-4 sec stun is not enough to kill. Some classes have hard time killing you 1v1 as well, but then it all ends when one of you makes a fatal mistake. And it's not necessary your opponent

jsxshadow wrote: »

As for anything that isn't 1v1 xD well...if anything physical DDing on you and it procs you are insta dead.

Again, if you nerf this, venomancers will lose one of a couple chances to tick enemy's charm solo. You can try occult ice, but then bye bye vit-magic genie, and you can't afford it vs some classes. Everyone is so eager to nerf something that doesn't belong to his class. Devs just won't give us anything equal in return. How about we nerf phys def debuffs for everyone else but venos? Then this miserable IW won't be such a problem, will it? Vice versa, everyone will start wanting it for their squad xD

jsxshadow wrote: »

This skills is by far the lamest skill in the game (after cursed jail) cause it relys solely on luck. Nothing else. No setup, no strategy, just luck which is also why I don't like psys (SoS) and Tidal.

I disagree, cat. Or better to say, I agree, but I disagree that it's the only thing where everything depends on luck.
For example, you 1v1 a physical class, have like 4k hp left, 4-5 sec till charm is ready, enemy is casting an attack. The only way left to defend is genie. Normally he hits you 2k. What will you do? Expect zc and play safe and use the last defensive mean or try to tank it? No matter how well you play, how godlike your skills are, you have to guess. And I'm not even talking about players who can zc for half (sometimes full) of your hp. You can't immune or turtle all the time. What is it if not pure luck? And you need to do is even less than what demon venos do - just cast any skills, it may proc with any hit, you can't predict.

jsxshadow wrote: »

0 def is a legit playstyle, true, but it has nothing to do with skill aka any veno using it solely can't claim to be a decent player, i am sorry but that is how it is xD

Honestly, I saw very few venos relying on it solely. And as far as I remember they were not especially successful. 99% of decent venos do what veno is supposed to do - debuff, cc, attack (with IW too, why not , when it procs, it procs. When it doesn't, we have a lot of other coloured squares to click on

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My guess is that they boosted Barbarians like this due to China having G17r4 and G17r5 zerk weapons (along with maybe Nuema Portal or good S card set players). They are supposed to tank the xTW Dragon and be the catapult pullers, after all.
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jsxshadow wrote: »

@catgirldesu I understand that specific classes have to fullfill specific rules but why on earth don't they just enable event specific buffs for each class. Changing things permanently breaks the game in every other aspect...welp.

You're operating under the assumption that the devs actually care about fine-tuning game balance, which is not the case.

The game is extremely unbalanced atm, unless you completely write-off several overpowering factors - but we could say that about any unbalanced game.

I want to keep the discussions going on the update, but I'm seeing some derailing with PvP discussions regarding these skills.

I'd rather not have to dig, split and release certain comments from spam filter (I'm almost 90% some replys are coming into spam so I'll try to release those if I can!), but since the topic is getting a little haywire I'll do the splits now. So if you see comments "vanishing" from here they're getting rerouted into a new thread!

PWCN Expansion Release : PVP Discussion

bangbang wrote: »

So I updated my client. I logged cn and I found a helpful link with all the updates and pictures with explanations. I really like how we finally get raid squads. (linked squads)

w2i.wanmei.com/hd/1709/edition/index.html

This has actually got me pretty pumped. If you scroll down it seems there will finally be a use for War Avatar Artifacts and some other items, to craft SPECIFIC S cards. Of course the Nuema Portals cost a bombshell (Like 100+) but the others seem quite reasonable (Like 15). Seems like a lot of different ways for characters to progress like with our previous update. Very exciting!