Skill Glyph System in the next expansion

wow i am excited for venos upgrade to their ugly skills​​

mymbarb wrote: »

eirghan wrote: »

GRAVEL BLADE

The attack and defense reduction from Spirit Bore lasts 3 minutes on the basic version.
Late yesterday I ended up removing this of my own volition. Now I've added it to Gemini slash. I think having it here makes it seem like the status lasts 3 minutes and not the actual activated debuff which is confusing. Actually its still a bit confusing when looking at Rune 2 there needs to be a better way to describe the debuff duration versus the activated debuff effect duration. Thinking on this for formatting and will come back to it.
Edit: i've reformatted how the durations and effects are described for both the stance triggering skills and debuff activating skills to hopefully make this distinction clearer.

Rune 2 Rune 2 increases the Spirit Bore apply chance to 100%, but with lower duration if procced though. Also removes Bloodletting completely.
Already fixed this this was a misunderstanding with the translation. 0% bloodletting is already in the description.

Rune 3 Rune 3 is similar to Rune 2, just for Bloodletting. 100% chance to inflict Bloodletting, but lower stun duration if procced (not additional, this is overall stun duration). Removes Spirit Bore completely.
Fixed the additional as above yesterday afternoon– this was a misunderstanding in the translation. Already have 0% chance for spirit bore no issue there.

Rune 4 Rune 4 doesn't trigger Bloodletting nor Spirit Bore, but has a 100% hit chance and the increased damage.
Confirmed correct I corrected the 100% issue late yesterday - this was a confusing one for me!

GEMINI SLASH

Rune 2 Rune 2 is the slow chance % (so 40%/50%/60%/70% chance to slow).
The translation says “33% chance the target movement speed reduced by 60% for 8 seconds.” for versions original, rune 1, rune 2, rune 3 and rune 4, so this was added to the description of regular skill. The only one that doesn’t have this is rune 5 which says “. Must make movement speed reduced by 60% for 5 seconds.” Which is described as an upgrade in rune 5. If this is incorrect please provide alternate resource so I can change this.


HEART SEEKER

Rune 2 Rune 2 is chi increased to the amount, not range.
Corrected thank you – this is translation issue as the word they use describes “Strength” which isn’t a term we use beyond attributes.

Rune 3 Rune 3 is cooldown reduced to these seconds, not channel. Also freeze duration gets lowered to 6 seconds.
Corrected thank you

Rune 4 Rune 4 does not freeze anymore, but instead stuns for 1/1.5/2/2.5 seconds.
Corrected my translation thank you. This implies soulforce {And stun target, time and character pattern rank correlation.} are you able to expand on that?

Rune 5 Rune 5 removes the freeze effect, but adds more damage because of that.
Confirmed this is correct


ION SPIKE

Rune 2 Rune 2 gives back chi after casting (20/30/40/50) but still costs a spark first.
Fixed this translation but man. 50 meter ion spike woulda been so op. too bad.

Rune 3 Rune 3 reduces cooldown to these seconds, in return the metal debuff only lasts 15 seconds.
Changed the cooldown information, duration is correct

Rune 5Rune 5 adds the higher weapon damage but does not reduce metal resistance anymore.
Confirmed this is correct


EDGED BLUR

Rune 2 Rune 2 inflicts damage every second equal to 20%/30%/40%/50% of the damage that would be dealt every 3 seconds.

Rune 4 Rune 4 inflicts damage every second equal to 5%/10%/15%/20% of the damage that would be dealt every 3 seconds and has the chance to interrupt (10%/15%/20%/25%).

Rune 5 Rune 5 inflicts damage every second for 5 seconds. Adds weapon damage to each hit (20%/30%/40%/50%).
I think this is only partly correct, if you look at the translations it states “Of enemies within a range of 10 meters, resulting in every 3 seconds for 15 seconds” for basic description, and descriptions of rune 1, 2, 3, and 4. Rune 2 and Rune 4 does have an additional description of damage every second “Per second, resulting in an injury” but runes 1 and 3 do not share this description so default back to the regular skill description of once every 3 seconds. Rune 5 is unique description: “Of enemies within a range of 10 meters per second resulting in 5 seconds Basic physical attack power additional 6500 gold system damage.” Which I have described the same, but I didn’t specify once every second (we could assume that as correct) as the attacks per second wasn’t actually offered in the data (we could guess once every three seconds is not correct for a skill that only lasts 5 seconds) but listing as 1 second intervals could be misleading so I am leaving it vague until there is a more specific translation. If you have a different resource than the one we are working from please provide and I will happily correct data 

Corrections in bold italic.

Not to be nitpicky, but some things you wrote were not correct or not exact. #nohatemepls

Thanks for your help in correcting these comments above for each one. corrected the original post as noted. I think I'm happy with whats there for now so if you see any other translation errors (particularly i have trouble with the translation of terms like chi, range etc) let me know.​​

notanyfox#3644 wrote: »

jsxshadow wrote: »

Overall I gotta say that every class already has a set "best way" to use the runes in nearly any situation. Chi gain, Duration, Debuff Intensity, CC. With a very few exception (cept clers and mystics heal to dmg skill change) these are the preferable ones. Anything with +xxx% of Weapon damage is totaly neglicable same as the majority of the range adds since you will hardly make good, constant use of the range when it doesnt effect ALL skills. Cept ofc you wanna run closer to the target when the improved range skills are in CD . Base damage is neat but mostly only for Sins in a way that it would matter or is an added bonus on every rune anyways.

Dusks will be swimming in Chi, Archer will blast out their skills in lightning (lol) speed, seeker will debuff and wreck people with edged blur, sins will oneshot everything, mystics will be gods in 1v1 with a purify plant, clerics will now be real metal mages, Barbs will be ultimate tanks again, BMs will swim in Chi and Debuff/AMP people to oblivion, Wizards will significantly improve their damage by using smart skill combos, Storms will be Reaper-Gods and venos will do what they did before only with alot more punch to it. Psys..meh xD There is potential with psys...but its more or less underwhelming (unless someone utilizes it to the max ofc).

With the exception of the Sin BS it looks pretty rad. Hopefully they will notice the BS and make further adjustments. After all the update is live on a test server so! Hope never dies!

You are far from the truth. But then again why do I expect you to understand when you don't know how atk and def lvl work ?

There is no best rune setup for each class.
There are different runes setup that can be the best for different situations (1on1 vs different classes, mass pvp, pve, ...etc) and I really hope we can switch between setups with no cost like genies because if we can I will have a huge advantage over narrow-minded players like you who will only use 1 build.

You either didn't read the psychic skills or could never figure out how to play one. I'd bet on the later. They can get sick damage with those new skills and chi drain spam you.

Gotta say you really know how to turn an exciting discussion into a troll-bait thread. I have to agree with Joe here that the weapon damage adds are negligible and that chi gain, added CC, and unique skill mods will win out the majority of the time.

I know you spend all your time looking for holes in people's arguments - that's all your life amounts up to - but I gotta wonder if you're even aware of how weapon damage contributes to total damage on a skill? 100% weapon damage is not anything to get excited about.

Liven up this discussion and try to contribute something meaningful besides "I'm gonna choose the best setup for the best situation". That generalist answer is what you always turn to when you're trying to sound like you know what you're doing without actually saying anything of substance .

eirghan wrote: »

Now that translation seems done for seeker... I can say im actually really hyped about this. Seeker turned into a mindless skill spam class after the primal update and we have lacked any real means of cc since they nerfed after release. Now there is actual potential to play seeker in a skillfull way using the stance procs. Which is what they were built for, afterall. I just dont wanna get my hopes up.. Cuz who knows what it looks like by the time it gets here

It's definitely an improvement over the casino minigame seekers are forced to deal with atm...but honestly most of the changes seem sort of boring. I think the g17 purify will be far more impactful in terms of giving seekers a more defined role in mass pvp besides being a glorified def charm popper.

New stat additions, if there are 10 skills that's 'runeable', does that mean this stats will be multiplied by 10 ??

Level 10 gives , x10 skill
HP +261 x10 = 2610
Pdef +340 x10 = 3400
Mres +698 x10 = 6980
Matt +133 x10 = 1330
Spirit +50 x10 = 500
Def Lev +4 x10 = 40
Att Lev +4 x10 = 40

Something like this won't be cheap / free, I suspect it's gonna be so expensive to reach lv 10.

dingo488 wrote: »

PWI figured out perfectly what BMs have been wanting all this time. #WhatWeReallyNeeded

To be the ultimate UP-nuke enabler?

saxroll wrote: »

freygin wrote: »

New stat additions, if there are 10 skills that's 'runeable', does that mean this stats will be multiplied by 10 ??

Level 10 gives , x10 skill
HP +261 x10 = 2610
Pdef +340 x10 = 3400
Mres +698 x10 = 6980
Matt +133 x10 = 1330
Spirit +50 x10 = 500
Def Lev +4 x10 = 40
Att Lev +4 x10 = 40

Something like this won't be free, I suspect it's gonna be so expensive to reach lv 10.

You can only rune 6 skills at once so I expect this to be the limit on stat addons too.

Well it seems like spirit will only continue to get devalued every patch. I wonder if PWI is aware of this? After this expansion we're going to be nearing 40 spirit for 1 att/def lvl.

It does slightly nerf full offense deity/spirit sin builds. But I'm not sure that nerf will matter much with those ridiculous 400-500% base damage multipliers.

So I wonder now... are we going to get a new schism? We are getting a fourth cultivation, but we still have the Sage/Demon distinction. What happens if someone wants to switch? Do we lose the fourth cultivation skills or does the current advanced schism work for them too?

I know it's probably not possible to answer this yet. I was just thinking that if someone wants to change cultivation to get rid of a Primal World upgrade and regain an old skill, they mighht want to do it before the next expansion.

@mymbarb thank you for a better translation on bm skills, i was starting to feel that was too good to be true QQ.

#RipBmsDreams

Runeable skills are limited to 10 skills and we are only allowed to rune 6 skills.

How about combined addons from demon/sage kills, do we get all skills or only 10 runeable skills, or only 6 skills that we choose to be runed can have both addons?

@heero200 @freygin On the new city u can find a npc exchanging arena 3v3 6v6 rewards for the New skills Books but its random like Obp and PoF, so my guess is u can learn all skills but rune only Six.

Would anyone know if after equipping the rune on a skill, can u remove it and equip on another or it would be like Shards on gear/weapon ?

aradya6793 wrote: »

archers are fine, at least they would be if PWI would actually stop being lazy and release a way to obtain g17r5 weapons...​​

Archer dont need g17.5, heck no one needs those garbage weapons. Luckily...before someone gets g17.5 here ALOT of time will go by. I dont expect that to happen until the end of next year.

Why do you thing g17.5 would benefit archer more than it does the other classes? Cause gof is great? When everyone is running around with g17.5 80 def lvl weapons fully buffed then GoF will be like a tickle to anyone. Purge however gets anyone killed in the right situation. GoF would only be neat for selfbuffed 1v1s, indeed. But thats about it xD

Imho g17 weapons could be removed completely as they are useless. They will only break the game more and totally imbalance everything.

I'm already very happy with my archer after the last update. Alot of fun 1v1ing people now and I gotta say..I love the chan shortening of frost splash. Underrated skill but I think its awesome. Nice dmg, high chance of CC, good to finish people off and cut through def charms ijs.

eirghan wrote: »

jsxshadow wrote: »

aradya6793 wrote: »

archers are fine, at least they would be if PWI would actually stop being lazy and release a way to obtain g17r5 weapons...

Why do you thing g17.5 would benefit archer more than it does the other classes? Cause gof is great? When everyone is running around with g17.5 80 def lvl weapons fully buffed then GoF will be like a tickle to anyone. Purge however gets anyone killed in the right situation. GoF would only be neat for selfbuffed 1v1s, indeed. But thats about it xD

There is the possibility that the g17.5 purge rate for archer is improved to include purge chance on more than a few skills.​​

Maybe. But either way. I dont feel like spending hundreds of billions and/or wasting thousands of hours just to get a minor weapon upgrade for a single char. Nope xD G17 is a nonfactor for me. Cost/Usage ratio is so off that you can even argue that its more stupid to try to get g17.5 than it was to get a warsoul weapon 8 years ago.

By the time 1 person has achieved 1 g17.5 weapon I have used the time and ressources to get every single class in this game to 3x105, full r9 min full +10 with a 6-piece A-Card-Set, decent charts and max passives. No matter who you are, I can tell that this is always the choice to go for.

Gear doesnt make you happy. When you realize you finally outgear everyone else so hard that you cant be killed anymore and can OS anything else (which in current meta is impossible thankfully) and eventually get bored then you spend 100k$+ for nothing. GG WP.

G17.5 would be a thing if it would be reasonably priced compared to r9. 500 gold max for a last-stage weapon and it would be useful. This way you could even create several weapons for any situation possible. Imagine how strong BMs would be with a g17.5 weapon for every type of weapon. Holy moly.

Realistically speaking, I dont expect anyone to get a g17.5 weapon by the end of next year. Maybe 1 crazy, rich **** each server (if any). that is unless they change the price drastically. The weapon's are not strong enough to justify a price way beyond thousands of gold. IK IK 80 def lvl weapon is OP and would boost the survivability of any class drastically. I get it. Still not worth the price.

@asterelle is there anyting in the new update that will change the avaibility of mats to get g17.5 faster? Like something that makes the whole ordeal worthwhile?

jsxshadow wrote: »

Maybe. But either way. I dont feel like spending hundreds of billions and/or wasting thousands of hours just to get a minor weapon upgrade for a single char. Nope xD G17 is a nonfactor for me. Cost/Usage ratio is so off that you can even argue that its more stupid to try to get g17.5 than it was to get a warsoul weapon 8 years ago.

By the time 1 person has achieved 1 g17.5 weapon I have used the time and ressources to get every single class in this game to 3x105, full r9 min full +10 with a 6-piece A-Card-Set, decent charts and max passives. No matter who you are, I can tell that this is always the choice to go for.

Gear doesnt make you happy. When you realize you finally outgear everyone else so hard that you cant be killed anymore and can OS anything else (which in current meta is impossible thankfully) and eventually get bored then you spend 100k$+ for nothing. GG WP.

G17.5 would be a thing if it would be reasonably priced compared to r9. 500 gold max for a last-stage weapon and it would be useful. This way you could even create several weapons for any situation possible. Imagine how strong BMs would be with a g17.5 weapon for every type of weapon. Holy moly.

Realistically speaking, I dont expect anyone to get a g17.5 weapon by the end of next year. Maybe 1 crazy, rich **** each server (if any). that is unless they change the price drastically. The weapon's are not strong enough to justify a price way beyond thousands of gold. IK IK 80 def lvl weapon is OP and would boost the survivability of any class drastically. I get it. Still not worth the price.

@asterelle is there anyting in the new update that will change the avaibility of mats to get g17.5 faster? Like something that makes the whole ordeal worthwhile?

G17.5 isn't a minor upgrade. 80 def lvl + def proc + purge as defense weapon for the phys classes is much better than the 25~30 def lvl r8 weapon they currently use, especially with the new 20% purge that procs with skill with status effect.
80 attack lvl + blazing red soul give arcanes much more killing power. Only a nub wouldn't see that.

Even g17.3 is worth getting just for the purge. And everyone who has been keeping up with homestead and can do at least carmine quest every day will soon get it. But guess who hasn't kept up with homestead ? the clown Joe.

I find it cute that you ask intel to people you accused of cheating in heavenfall.

notanyfox#3644 wrote: »

Even g17.3 is worth getting just for the purge. And everyone who has been keeping up with homestead and can do at least carmine quest every day will soon get it. But guess who hasn't kept up with homestead ? the clown Joe.

I find it cute that you ask intel to people you accused of cheating in heavenfall.

"Soon get it"...for keeping up with homestead? Have you looked up the total coin cost + time required to even get g17r3? The only way to be even close to G17r3 is to farm UP, which requires an even greater time commitment, during which you could have farmed another R9 char + gotten full aeu.

Man stop spreading false information and making a fool of yourself. Idk if you're just too dumb to understand or you're just unwilling to admit you're wrong .