Regarding Refinement Aid and Charms in the Event Gold Shop

Dawnfaye - Archosaur

b:cry

Eoria - Harshlands

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have an endgame barb with 24k HP, thank you.

24k HP was end-game for a barb three or four years ago. Nowadays? Minimum 40-45k HP. But we're mostly talking 50-60k HP. Hell, my cleric only has 2k less HP than your barb.

He goes uncharmed, and the existence of silver charms in the event boutique would not change that.

Congrats. Many of us don't have that luxury because we want to participate in end-game pvp and TW and it's laughable attempting to do those without a HP charm.

That being said, I'm well aware of how fast a silver charm would die while equipped on him, and while having to replace charms more often would be an annoyance, it's not the end of the damn world.

It's quit-worthy. It really is with the price of plat HP charms nowadays.

Interestingly enough, I seem to remember you dismissing an issue that I cared about not too long ago. Funny how these things are all relative, isn't it?

The issue with your issue is that it would affect too many people that still actually play the game currently and that PWI would find it in their best interest to retain and it's also way too damn late for any sort of fix. You also really will not see any increase in the quality of players because most people playing now are people that have been playing for years. If they haven't improved in that time, then chances are they never will and such a change would only serve to **** off way too many people.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

Mikosu - Sanctuary wrote: »

No, please spell it out for me. You apparently derived so much more from sparkie's statement. Why don't you break it down for us laymen.

My question was whether or not there is more information. If they are not gone, where are they? Why were they removed in the first place.

Everyone here is satisfied with being teased with "we'll fix it soon". Refinement was only half of the initial concern, and the majority of the concern from that 15 page thread on the event boutique "update" was focused on the removal of silver charms.

This. The only statemenet Sparkie made regarding silver charms was so decisively vague. He himself has not revisited the statement for clarification when there have been many questions surrounding it. I think we all should know better than to derive so many things from such a vague statement without waiting for or asking for something conclusive.

VenusArmani said it was a temporary change, but I wont consider that to be fact until I hear it from Sparkie or at least anyone else who can actually represent pwe. And if it only is a temporary change, why were they removed and when are the coming back? I think these are questions worth answering.

Euzebe - Sanctuary

Agreed. People so easily sated; there's been little to no clarification on the issue of charms, which is a much bigger issue endgame (past 24k hp).

opkossy

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

This. The only statemenet Sparkie made regarding silver charms was so decisively vague. He himself has not revisited the statement for clarification when there have been many questions surrounding it. I think we all should know better than to derive so many things from such a vague statement without waiting for or asking for something conclusive.

VenusArmani said it was a temporary change, but I wont consider that to be fact until I hear it from Sparkie or at least anyone else who can actually represent pwe. And if it only is a temporary change, why were they removed and when are the coming back? I think these are questions worth answering.

Considering he said, and I quote.

sparkiesoft wrote: »

As for Silver Charms, I am still working on the specifics for that. They are however not gone, they are just not in the event boutique at the moment.

It's honestly not vague unless you choose to make it seem that way.

The part in red screams "this is not permanent". For the why they were removed and when they'll come back, I refer to the blue: where he admits he doesn't know all the information and is still trying to weasel it out of those responsible.

One thing at a time. I'm impressed he managed to get even this much so quickly considering our past experience with what the folks upstairs our CMs have had to deal with can be like.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

OPKossy wrote: »

It's honestly not vague unless you choose to make it seem that way.

The part in red screams "this is not permanent". For the why they were removed and when they'll come back, I refer to the blue: where he admits he doesn't know all the information and is still trying to weasel it out of those responsible..

"not gone" isn't a translation for "not permanent", I honestly don't know how some are deriving such a specific message from his use of ambiguous language. Maybe there is secret code involved.
It would help to know the specifics of what he does and doesn't know about the silver charms considering their absence accounts for about 60% of the concern over this event gold issue. Even "I know nothing" is a lot more clear than what he said. Clarity is important when considering the validity of a statement.
I just think the issue needs to be addressed more thoroughly in proportion to how large of an issue it is. I don't want to be misled with a statement that can contain multiple interpretations of it's language without actually breaking down into the specifics of the issue. It is not like we are asking for a pwe miracle. Even an "I don't know" in the answer portion of each specific question is better than a blanket statement.

ovenusarmanio

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

"not gone" isn't a translation for "not permanent", I honestly don't know how some are deriving such a specific message from his use of ambiguous language. Maybe there is secret code involved.
It would help to know the specifics of what he does and doesn't know about the silver charms considering their absence accounts for about 60% of the concern over this event gold issue. Even "I know nothing" is a lot more clear than what he said. Clarity is important when considering the validity of a statement.
I just think the issue needs to be addressed more thoroughly in proportion to how large of an issue it is. I don't want to be misled with a statement that can contain multiple interpretations of it's language without actually breaking down into the specifics of the issue. It is not like we are asking for a pwe miracle. Even an "I don't know" in the answer portion of each specific question is better than a blanket statement.

No, but "at the moment" is a common phrase in the US, that when used the way he is using it here means "for now," as in temporary. This plus the conversation we had with Sparkie (in this case, he did talk with the mod team for a long time. Kossy in particular helped out a lot) has led us to believe that the Silver Charms will make a return to the event boutique. How/When/Why/What Price/etc we haven't been told that type of information. Sparkie himself is finding out information for that. I'm sure he'll update us when that happens. I wouldn't count on anything but the refine aids in the aforementioned time frame, but you never know. We haven't been told anything in that regard. But none of his subsequent posts had led to that conclusion and silver charms atm are very much a work in progress.

That said I can see where the confusion is coming from and will ask him to clarify that post.

Strife_son - Sanctuary

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

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That said I can see where the confusion is coming from and will ask him to clarify that post.

This is all people posting about regarding silver charms have wanted, further clarification from sparkie since this was the major issue in the other thread.

sparkiesoft

For clarification purposes,

The silver charms will be coming back, they will not be removed permanently. I have no idea when they will be coming back, because that is something my PM and China are discussing, but they assured me that they will come back permanently, just like before.

If something changes down the line, or they tell me otherwise, I will update you all. For now though, this is all the information I have to go on.

MagicEmpress - Lost City

sparkiesoft wrote: »

As you may all know, these items can only be used on bound gear, which is a problem. The problem stems from items that aren't officially account bound, but cannot be moved/traded/etc, thus acting like they are account bound. Because of this, you would need to purchase a bind scroll, which makes it pretty redundant.

I've spent the majority of the day trying to figure out what exactly this issue was, and with the help of the mods, we finally figured it out.

So what happened?

We've been pushing for this event gold boutique change for awhile, and because of that some mistakes were made. It just so happens that China used their own template for their version in their game, in our game. What happened was the item codes ended up getting jumbled, resulting in our refine aids being switched out with their refine aids. (item codes that is) Things happen, but China is being extremely helpful in getting this fixed for us.

Mistakes happen, and we've already made them aware. We are fixing it as fast as we can and I will provide you with further updates as I get them. In the meantime, hold off on buying the current refine aids, until they are replaced by the old ones.

As for Silver Charms, I am still working on the specifics for that. They are however not gone, they are just not in the event boutique at the moment.

God bless you sir. b:thanks

Kalopsia - Dreamweaver

Very nice job by the GM's / CM on getting the event gold charms back in such a timely manner.

Keep up the good work guys and thank you.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have an endgame barb with 24k HP, thank you.

My non-endgame alt barb have 27k hp and is lvl 94...

Mosz - Heavens Tear

yey QQ worked, must QQ more in future:theyre back, discounted, and added really expensive gold ones too..lol

bollywood fashion got added too

no change tisha/tienkang

XXxICExXx - Morai

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

My non-endgame alt barb have 27k hp and is lvl 94...

Maybe his "endgame" barb is a non standard barb build (claw etc) not everyone judges endgame in the same way.

Anyways back on topic. Keep up the good work Sparkie! b:victory

Maiathas - Sanctuary

A big thankyou to them for getting this issue fixed as fast as they have, as well as adding gold charms, which for those with more HP I'm sure will be a welcome addition.

Sheswes - Heavens Tear

Maiathas - Sanctuary wrote: »

A big thankyou to them for getting this issue fixed as fast as they have, as well as adding gold charms, which for those with more HP I'm sure will be a welcome addition.

only if their price drop to 10 gold lol

Desdi - Sanctuary

Thank you for addressing the charms issue so fast and even added gold charms!

MasterofIce - Dreamweaver

Now just refine helpers missing

tek1nig

I am very happy the silver charms are back. But there is an issue you must address while you are on this section of fixing.

I noticed the price of the gold charms in the event boutique is a bit "outlandish" to say the least. It should be only 2x the price of what the silver charm cost is as it only gives 2x the HP.

It would be great if this price could also be moderated with the same haste the silver's where re-introduced.

Thanks in Advance !!!

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Great job sparkie and GMs!

About the Gold charms, seriously guys let's not be greedy. They added silver back at 5 event gold (discounted from 7.5 event gold) so Gold is at normal price i.e 7.5x2=15 event gold.

Jeez..

Zoldi - Morai

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

It would be great indeed but it will never happen this fast xD

(Autoquote )

I'm pretty happy if I was wrong in my comment above.
Thank you !

MochiBean - Archosaur

Thank you for putting the charms back!

Btw this fashion makes my happy. b:dirty

Miugre - Heavens Tear

XXxICExXx - Morai wrote: »

Maybe his "endgame" barb is a non standard barb build (claw etc) not everyone judges endgame in the same way.

Or y'know, maybe my barb is a classic vit build, but I make a conscious decision not to gear him for competitive PVP. I know that's kind of a cardinal sin around here, but maybe we could debate without needing to compare our refine levels as if they were e-peen extensions? Crazy, I know.

Back on topic: Looking forward to seeing the new event boutique stuff. I probably won't be able to see it until late tonight, so can anyone confirm specifically what they added? I'm hearing gold charms. o.O And fashion, maybe? What percentage of CS fash is in the event shop now?

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Zheii - Archosaur

Thanks for the quick fix PWI and Sparkie! (I know you where probably behind why we got it so fast, someone has to light a fire under some *****)

The gold charm prices are silly though xD;

peckked

Yay!!

Zoldi - Morai

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Or y'know, maybe my barb is a classic vit build, but I make a conscious decision not to gear him for competitive PVP. I know that's kind of a cardinal sin around here, but maybe we could debate without needing to compare our refine levels as if they were e-peen extensions? Crazy, I know.

Just saying but this is just your definition of "endgame" which is weird (to me and probably some other people). When most of people are talking about endgame toons, we assume those toons got endgame gears. G16+6 (which is enough to easily get 27k HP being a vita barb) is not really endgame.

Strife_son - Sanctuary

Nicely done. That's how you fix a problem

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

Just saying but this is just your definition of "endgame" which is weird (to me and probably some other people). When most of people are talking about endgame toons, we assume those toons got endgame gears. G16+6 (which is enough to easily get 27k HP being a vita barb) is not really endgame.

We could argue the definition of "endgame" all you like (although just for a quick tip, "more people care about PVP so there" really isn't an argument). But it's all beside the point. Going back to what started this chain of discussion, Eoria implied that people without 20k HP wouldn't understand why the removal of silver charms would be significant. To which I said, yes, I do have a 20k character, so if that's your only criteria, then of course I understand. I just don't agree on what scale of inconvenience it is.

So my using the word "endgame" to describe a character that's not PVP-built was never even a topic until someone took issue with it. And at this point it's basically off-topic on an offhand comment I made that was already off-topic to begin with. It's pretty much the ultimate in nitpicking at this point. :P

Eoria - Harshlands

Thank you so much and I the new fash.

btw, dunno if intentional or not, but the fash is tradeable. 3: