Arc Integration General Discussion/Feedback

Asterelle - Sanctuary

I'm not worried about it. PWCN isn't going to use Arc at all so there must be some method with which you can start the game without arc. Very likely it's a command line option. I don't see much changing.

Devilskarma - Raging Tide

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm not worried about it. PWCN isn't going to use Arc at all so there must be some method with which you can start the game without arc. Very likely it's a command line option. I don't see much changing.

PWCN is not PWE... ARC is attached to all of PWE's games.

Kijinka - Dreamweaver

I often like to play PWI using the steam overlay so I can easily chat to friends on steam with the shift+tab overlay. With arc this is not possible and do not wish to see arc become the only way to start the client.

Some players may like arc, and a lot don't for similiar reasons as mine. I urge your team to reconsider complete integration.

Jadsia - Lost City

shashahah wrote: »

"fully integrating into arc" meaning we wont be able to start the game the normal way (launcher/patcher w/e) anymore and HAVE to install arc to be able to even play?

Arc will be the new normal way.

PLC - Harshlands wrote: »

As you may have all been aware, massive amount of playerbase will leave on April 2nd, 2014 and hopefully never look back.

With that arc **** PWI acts like a raper jumping on its unwanting victim, enuff is enuff.

We need to all draw the line here and consider if we want mouth fed bull **** like that in our lives.

Oh how i hope PWI gets what it deserves - the biggest backfire in its history !

Maybe completely boycott PWI?

You're now a victim? LOL!! I think on April 2 a lot of unnecessary game drama may finally just disappear. I feel sorry for whoever they land on next.

Yaasborn - Harshlands wrote: »

That's the thing, this will all change soon. Soon you wont be able to launch your second client anymore because you will have to have ARC running, and it will say PWI client is already running.

You will NEED arc to recognize your already installed PWI, otherwise it will say you do not have PWI installed, aka you will not be able to play it.

they are FORCING us to completely reinstall PWI through the ARC client, and that's the reason ALOT of people are MAD MAD MAD

Install it in a virtual machine. Just as good as running another client unless you are playing the game on a netbook.

As for those whining about cookies I sure hope you never ever surf the internet because you are making yourself look like idiots for complaining about Arc doing something that 95% of every website you visit does.

ToyMaker_NOT - Raging Tide

Devilskarma - Raging Tide wrote: »

PWCN is not PWE... ARC is attached to all of PWE's games.

I think that's Asterelle's point PWE does not own the games that ARC accesses, PWCN does; therefore, elementclient.exe will still start the game. So there is likely a command line bypass to avoid using ARC.

Personally, I've had no issues with it. But as other have posted ARC does nothing to enhance my gaming experience one damn bit. There absolutely nothing ARC has to offer that I could not have already accessed from perfectworld.com before ARC.

ARC is just another damn process to clock cycles on my CPU. Furthermore, PWE has not provided any information to suggest that ARC will be nothing more than that.

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

Install it in a virtual machine. Just as good as running another client unless you are playing the game on a netbook.

So your solution is to add additional overhead to run a second client (VM + ARC + elementclient). I certain there are a few here with a kick-*** gaming PC, I'm not one of them.

Asterelle - Sanctuary

Devilskarma - Raging Tide wrote: »

PWCN is not PWE... ARC is attached to all of PWE's games.

PWI is PWCN first and PWE second. Always has and Arc isn't going to change that.

PLC - Harshlands

I am very proud of all the people drawing the line and speaking up.

Yes freedom of choice sometimes has a price, when one is forced to sacrifice what is liked.

We the players need some kind of declaration of independance and a militia to enforce it our will.

My computer is MY property, i will decide what runs on it period.
If i want to play more games from one company i let them know, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. This is so disrespectful.

Kiss of death b:kiss

Devilskarma - Raging Tide

ToyMaker_NOT - Raging Tide wrote: »

I think that's Asterelle's point PWE does not own the games that ARC accesses, PWCN does; therefore, elementclient.exe will still start the game. So there is likely a command line bypass to avoid using ARC.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

PWI is PWCN first and PWE second. Always has and Arc isn't going to change that.

Well then, here is to hoping someone finds that way around it. I am not so computer savvy to know how to dig thru codes/programming, what have you, to find that way around. So I'll be waiting for directions on how it is possible, same as that annoying redirect bs (which I was able to follow directions for on chrome). Oh cwap, maybe I can read b:surprised b:quiet dun tell no one...

Well the reality on this April 2nd date forced ARC thing is, we will not know the extent of the damage to player populations on any server till April 4th after seeing what NW looks like. And NW looks unhealthy enough compared to the first year it was implemented.

I am just hoping other companies and people that play this game which are planning on making games, are and have been taking notes. PWE in every respect is a perfect model since ~March of 2010 till today... of what NOT to do to create products of integrity. b:scorn

TZoner - Raging Tide

I'd just LOVE to know if any GM or person of actual interest in the going ons of the company is reading this and saying "hmmmm. Maybe this is a bad idea." Probably not. The sad reality of it is all these people voicing their opinions and speaking up about how they DON'T want arc will just fall on deaf ears, as it has many times before. ALL PWE SEES IS $$$$.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

daycharm wrote: »

First off, i will voice my dislike for arc. it sucks. there are several threads on here regarding how much everyone hates arc. i even saw a polls saying flat out get rid of it. I do not like it as now i have to redownload everything on multiple computers thus eating up my bandwith. When i put a ticket in on this at one point i was told to just "copy and paste it from one computer to the other and put a shortcut on the desktop. it will work that way." well, sadly, no it didn't work. ended up having to do a fresh download to get it to work.

Now they are pushing arc on us to where we either use it or leave. i was of the opinion i would try it until i saw the following forum post on the Star Trek Online game forum (which is also owned and run by Perfect World International)

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/352/view/forums/thread/393580/Do-not-install-ARC-on-your-pc-.html

For those of you that do not want to click the link, i will copy here.

As many know, all PWI games are making it mandatory to install ARC to download and play any pwi game. Read the over 60 page discussion about it on the sto forms and you will find out. ARC installs into your brouser and spys on you from the browser even if no pwi game is being played. This is not anti **** code but spy wear pure and simple. It adds several processes to you pc full time as well. Stay far away from any gaming compony that's stealing your info and reselling it. This has to be illegal. Theirs a lot of talk in the pwi community about a boycott to get pwi to remove ARC completely. Fleets in STo that have survived the pwi buyout and years of gaming are all ready planning to move to other games.
This is as bad as SWG when the 100 thousand patiton was sent in asking sony to not nge and sony did it anyway.
Sorry my English not so good .

now, i realize this may just be one person's opinion but it is still a PWI game.

ok, now, Sylen says this:


please Sylen, Clarify why you say there is NO spyware in the arc software when it wants to install tracking cookies (as stated in another post)

now i am unsure if i want to install arc or not on my computer and attempt to keep playing after april 2 or not.

Ok, tracking cookies are something you experience every day on almost every web page. Especially if you don't use any ad-blocking software, but even without it you will encounter cookies from sites that are designed to track your data.

On top of that, you're quoting someone who is quoting another discussion, and exaggerating on a topic with absolutely no supporting data. At best it vaguely refers to a discussion in another forum that has many pages of people complaining. And if you believe that the main reason behind releasing something like Arc is to track you and spy on your activities, start making foil hats dude.

I did some digging around through the related information. The absolute best information that was given was that once installed, Arc left the Arc client and the Arc browser open and running, (which I already knew and is to be expected), and was running check processes in the background. Oh, and it tried to access the internet. Which for a programs that is mostly web-content, is not surprising at all.

So in the end, Arc doesn't have any more spyware than a browser, with the one exceptions of keeping track of what you play and how long you're playing it. Which it does for the updates on your profile, and also for data tracking they do to see what you're playing. The latter you can opt out of, and you are notified of when you install the client.

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

If you had any real programming experience you would know the problems between software and hardware compatibility that date to the dawn of computing. There is no magical API that will work on all hardware.

I had the very same problems with another game launcher. It would run on one computer and would not run on another. In that specific instance they used an obscure API within WMI that would break on some hardware because it was not fully implemented for all hardware. It is a known issue that has been around for a while and there are work around's but most just further complicate the issue. This same issue is not only in games but other types of software.

You act like this is something new. There are plenty of posts of people that cant get Arc to run on their computer and I bet the issue is tied to the same problem. Comparing the specs of a nearly outdated game engine to newly written software is pretty poor on your part and I would expect a bit more from you.

I have yet to have anyone post that they can't run it and provide information for troubleshooting the issue. All we've seen so far is people complaining, but with absolutely no supporting information.

As far as API issues on hardware configurations, sure, I've seen it. Recently even. In all but one case I've been able to troubleshoot it and fix it. The one case where I wasn't was running on an emulated system that was running on an un-supported OS. Those have been all game related though. No one's bothered posting problems with Arc here in a method that could progress to even the lightest troubleshooting. I don't read the non-PWI PWE game forums much though. So far all I've seen is a bunch of people whining about something that's probably not an issue.

In the end, please understand that I don't support Arc the way it's being forced on us. Truly I don't. I'm being realistic though, and I'm looking at hard data. So far, all you guys have is a bunch of QQ spam with no actual supporting facts.
Which is the problem with the rumor mill. A lot of smoke and noise, about nothing. Anyone wants to bring facts to the table, or give me something to work with if you're having an issue, I'm glad to jump in and help or take a look. So far though, all we have is people rising up against something because they claim it's evil, when in fact, it's no more invasive that the dogs they already have roaming their house. Less so in some cases.

Tsukyini - Raging Tide

I have another issue with Arc that I don't think I've seen mentioned yet, so here goes:

When I first encountered games published by PWE, it was via MMOHuts (or some other site that advertises free MMOs, but I'm pretty sure it was that one). At the time, I didn't realize that PWI, Jade Dynasty, and Battle of the Immortals accounts could be used across all games, so when I got each game, I made a fresh account, each linked to a unique email address. After playing for a while, I did realize that I could sign into any of the games using any of the accounts, but by that point I had already gotten far enough and charged enough zen that I wanted to keep with the characters I had already made.

Until this Arc integration came about, these separate accounts were not an issue. I just launched each game's launcher and signed in with the appropriate account. With Arc integration, it will no longer be possible for me to play these games simultaneously.

***My suggestion to PWE: Take a page from Blizzard and their battle.net setup. Allow players to create an "ArcGames account" and link in previously existing PerfectWorld accounts. That way, players could log into Arc using their new ArcGames account, and when they go to launch a game, you could pop up a menu to prompt them to select which PerfectWorld account they want to log in with.

This could also possibly solve the multiclienting issue, assuming PWE allows multiple clients to be run, just with the requirement of the client being launched by Arc.

Samaranight - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm not worried about it. PWCN isn't going to use Arc at all so there must be some method with which you can start the game without arc. Very likely it's a command line option. I don't see much changing.

Probably embedded in the client.

Selak - Dreamweaver

Was not going to post again but one last time.

My computer is less than 9 months old and perfectly capable of running this and anything else i want np.

Windows 8.1 Pro
A6-6400k with built in Hd 8470D graphics
Motherboard F2A85XM-D3H
8gig 1600mhz Ram
2gig R250 ati card running in dual graphics mode with the HD8470D
300gig primary hd
500gig secondary hd
Logitech G510 keyboard
Microsoft explorer mouse model 1362
ADSL2+ 20k down 1K up

For me this is not about some Paranoid fantasy, its just about using social networking which I do very rarely in real life, I am just not that social lol,
and just because you use and find things such as Steam, Arc or any other gaming front ends great does not mean we all should, or are you all so arrogant that you think we are too dumb to know whats good for us verses whats good for PWE.

Those who are not concerned about what it is doing in the background, because you cannot trace any activity in your PC, should think about this post from Octagon7711.

"This is some of what I found. Nothing about selling but lots of stuff about gathering. Most interesting is they allow third parties to put stuff in your computer but take no responsibility for what they do with the information collected. So some unknown processes may be from third parties they allowed to have access to your system for monitoring purposes.
"We may also use third parties to serve ads on our Service. These third parties may place cookies, clear gifs or other devices on your computer to collect information, and information provided by these devices may be used, among other things, to deliver advertising targeted to your interests and to better understand the usage and visitation of our Service and the other sites tracked by these third parties. This policy does not apply to, and we are not responsible for, cookies in third party ads or for compliance with such third parties’ privacy policies or data collection practices.""

Link to their own statement: http://www.arcgames.com/en/about/privacy

Link to Octagon7711s post: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/352/view/forums/thread/393580/page/4

Love the PWE disclaimer.
After reading this, maybe I should be more Paranoid, dang now I am getting Paranoid about getting Paranoid. lol.

ovenusarmanio

I'm honestly not worried at all about the cookies. It's on pretty much every website out their now, PWE is just way more upfront about it than most sites. It's just kind of part of the internet at this point, at least for most of the most popular US sites goes... If you've ever got a facebook blessing, then you've had worse. Facebook even tries to get you to login in when you visit totally unrelated websites so you can spam your friends with what you were visiting. Even if you use a fake one, you've still invited a tracking cookie onto your system. Complaining about Arc being upfront about it and wanting to go back to facebook connect instead, for that reason (and not technical ones), just baffles me. Either way you're getting a tracking cookie, but at least Arc isn't going to try to login you anywhere and you can grab more than one blessing rather than the arbitrary limit facebook set. Arc even gives you an option to opt out of a lot of their tracking, which I did. Honestly from a privacy/cookie standpoint, I prefer Arc over facebook.

The thing I am dreading is the integration, both because mutliclienting is a big part of how I get things done in-game, and because I've had issues with Arc in the past when it comes to recognizing my game install. I've since gotten it to work, but I'm not confident in it's ability to handle patches properly on my system. The biggest thing that makes me mad about it though is the mutli client thing. Honestly that should have been worked out first before being put on a game with a population like PWI's. Although it will be interesting to see which catshops disappear. I'll have to see how I can adjust to not multiclienting, i'll probably be fine. And if my friends are fine too for the most part, I'll still be here. And I hope that once we're all integrated and the just getting it to work part kicks in, Arc will release some awesome features that makes it more worthwhile. Which they have said they are going to do, so hopefully what they release is worth it!

Brillance - Raging Tide

I think the scary part is the third party cookies - which no one is claiming any responsibility for...ijs.

A disclaimer is a legal formality, but, if my local burger joint buys its meat from a producer that is 95% beef, but the manufacturer also puts 3-party meat in the mix, that no one is taking any responsibility for, will the consumer still buy your burger? I dont think I would.

Its nice and practical that PW wants to try to protect itself legally. But, that disclaimer against any future legal action does not do much to boost the consumers confidence. Could of just simply said - "play at your own risk". Probably would hold as much water as such disclaimers do if any court case should arise (i.e. none).

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

Selak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Was not going to post again but one last time.

My computer is less than 9 months old and perfectly capable of running this and anything else i want np.

Windows 8.1 Pro
A6-6400k with built in Hd 8470D graphics
Motherboard F2A85XM-D3H
8gig 1600mhz Ram
2gig R250 ati card running in dual graphics mode with the HD8470D
300gig primary hd
500gig secondary hd
Logitech G510 keyboard
Microsoft explorer mouse model 1362
ADSL2+ 20k down 1K up

For me this is not about some Paranoid fantasy, its just about using social networking which I do very rarely in real life, I am just not that social lol,
and just because you use and find things such as Steam, Arc or any other gaming front ends great does not mean we all should, or are you all so arrogant that you think we are too dumb to know whats good for us verses whats good for PWE.

Those who are not concerned about what it is doing in the background, because you cannot trace any activity in your PC, should think about this post from Octagon7711.

"This is some of what I found. Nothing about selling but lots of stuff about gathering. Most interesting is they allow third parties to put stuff in your computer but take no responsibility for what they do with the information collected. So some unknown processes may be from third parties they allowed to have access to your system for monitoring purposes.
"We may also use third parties to serve ads on our Service. These third parties may place cookies, clear gifs or other devices on your computer to collect information, and information provided by these devices may be used, among other things, to deliver advertising targeted to your interests and to better understand the usage and visitation of our Service and the other sites tracked by these third parties. This policy does not apply to, and we are not responsible for, cookies in third party ads or for compliance with such third parties’ privacy policies or data collection practices.""

Link to their own statement: http://www.arcgames.com/en/about/privacy

Link to Octagon7711s post: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/352/view/forums/thread/393580/page/4

Love the PWE disclaimer.
After reading this, maybe I should be more Paranoid, dang now I am getting Paranoid about getting Paranoid. lol.

You have those same ads every time you visit this webpage. That's nothing new. Using Google is probably more intrusive. Most of the third parties in question are going to be the game companies of the games PWE publishes that you play. (You remember that PWE doesn't actually develop games right?)

You haven't brought anything new to the table here, and it's not anything more invasive than the cookies used on most websites. The majority of the tracking is limited to what you're playing and for how long. That is used for the interface to Core (or what will replace Core rather), and also provides PWE with statistics that they will of course use for marketing purposes. It's only half a step from the tracking they currently use on the sites, and will actually provide PWE, and the game companies with valuable information. Maybe if they see that half the user's systems currently being used to play PWI won't support a particular update to the graphic engine, they'll talk to the game developers and will be able to work out alternatives in the interface. (Much like the DirectX options currently in Neverwinter.)

Again, I'm not saying I support Arc being forced on us like this, but you guys have got to look at reality and stop exaggerating things. Go read the ToS. Read it for Steam. Read it for X-Fire, for Skype, for MSN, for whatever toolbar you insist you need that does 20 things your browser already did, hell read it for the operating system you're currently using. You're going to find a LOT of similarities.

P.S., your DLS is not going to be 20k maybe it's 20Mbps. That makes a lot more sense anyhow. If it's 20k, that's barely enough to manage the data stream for the client.

Selak - Dreamweaver

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

You have those same ads every time you visit this webpage. That's nothing new. Using Google is probably more intrusive. Most of the third parties in question are going to be the game companies of the games PWE publishes that you play. (You remember that PWE doesn't actually develop games right?)

You haven't brought anything new to the table here, and it's not anything more invasive than the cookies used on most websites. The majority of the tracking is limited to what you're playing and for how long. That is used for the interface to Core (or what will replace Core rather), and also provides PWE with statistics that they will of course use for marketing purposes. It's only half a step from the tracking they currently use on the sites, and will actually provide PWE, and the game companies with valuable information. Maybe if they see that half the user's systems currently being used to play PWI won't support a particular update to the graphic engine, they'll talk to the game developers and will be able to work out alternatives in the interface. (Much like the DirectX options currently in Neverwinter.)

Again, I'm not saying I support Arc being forced on us like this, but you guys have got to look at reality and stop exaggerating things. Go read the ToS. Read it for Steam. Read it for X-Fire, for Skype, for MSN, for whatever toolbar you insist you need that does 20 things your browser already did, hell read it for the operating system you're currently using. You're going to find a LOT of similarities.

P.S., your DLS is not going to be 20k maybe it's 20Mbps. That makes a lot more sense anyhow. If it's 20k, that's barely enough to manage the data stream for the client.

Sry Sylen just woke up 20Mbps is correct lol and nobodys perfect lol,
and I know that PWE does not make the games. lol.

As to cookies np but "other devices" which collect unique machine specific information for third parties and location data as well. Mmmm

I do not use any toolbars at all (I spend too much time repairing the damage done by that junk to my customers machines) and regularly remove tracking cookies from my machine I also do not use Facebook for blessings either or virtually anything else, and I do not use Steam, Xfire, Skype or MSN because of their privacy policies, I never used them before they came along and have plenty of less invasive ways to do what I need to do today with out them.

I can understand the hardware argument especially as the bug reporting system never once worked for me and they could not be bothered to fix it, this may be a useful feature but I personally wished they just made the bug report system work rather than introduce this more invasive method.

I can understand that some people may not be as computer literate as me and may need someone/thing to hold their hand and guide them but not all of us do, I also understand that I may opt out of some of the data collection they do, but where is my option to not give any usage stats at all by just not using it.

Oh thats right, because I am different I have no rights, so I better just leave.

I limit everyone I can who attempts to collect any location data nor any idevice information for my PC or windows phone other than Microsoft and Google and I even resent that as well.

I do nothing illegal on my machine and do not even use torrents.

As to trust in large scale organizations not to abuse you and your information, I think about that a lot considering the Tasmanian Government had to pay me $38000Aust dollars for abuse to both me and my information.

I am not frightened of having a net presence, google amarkrieder and you will see I can be a radical at times lol, but I choose carefully who and what I share info with.

TheMVP - Heavens Tear

Main issue is I dont want to have to redownload the game takes half a day and another half of day of intstalling updating, when i have a client that works fine and works better than arc without ads and cookies slowing me down. Who feels like redownloading the game? thats annoying, not to mention having arc eating up system resources for no reason.

DavidHunter - Momaganon

i really dont get why users are forced to open their pcs even more just for being able to play the game.
game updates ran smoothly so far, the game also. getting arc implemented is imho an unnecessary step. it does not bring any benefit to the game, just opens more doors into somebodys device.

Just remember "Origin"... nothing more to mention.

i will enjoy the next 9 days and if im forced to use arc my decission is clear. b:bye

Faronexx - Archosaur

were do i get my jones blessing from

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

Faronexx - Archosaur wrote: »

were do i get my jones blessing from

Same place you did before if you search the forums and found the threads with the answers that are pretty obvious.

Alternatively you can read the sticky thread.

Fail_BM - Raging Tide

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

Alternatively you can read the sticky thread.

Sticky threads do not exist when you are looking for infob:laugh

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver

@[SylenThunder - Sanctuary]

Dude you're defending Arc?

Vespi - Harshlands

Sweetiebot please post the server status

SweetieBot - Lothranis

Vespi - Harshlands wrote: »

Sweetiebot please post the server status

You're making no sense whatsoever.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@[SylenThunder - Sanctuary]

Dude you're defending Arc?

Go kill yourself, you don't belong in this world b:bye

Take it easy there pal.

Sylen's been showing facts about Arc and clearing misconceptions. More often than not people are exaggerating about Arc or raging about it without having tried it. Exception to this are those that use older computers/laptops which have all the rights rage.

I'm not a fan of Arc myself but right now it doesn't bother me. I'm no fan of this upcoming change but there might still be ways to dual client and/or use PWI without Arc after this change so keep a little faith.

All I'm trying to say (to everyone), chill a bit. Complains are normal but don't rage too much.....yet :P

azkram

Faronexx - Archosaur wrote: »

were do i get my jones blessing from

well if you use ARC refer this one (love it unlimited now)

http://community.arcgames.com/en/news/pwi/detail/3034763-free-blessings-for-everyone_

just install Arc today and i have no problem to add my pwi since there have "ADD GAMES" just below at the left site this ARC. just wish i can bypass those update and login again

Hisiala - Morai

I hope that even after this implementation, I can run the client without arc running in background, because I do get slowed down a lot.

The kind of slowness that makes you unable to even remotely play decently.

If that happens, I will not be able to fully enjoy the game (it's already stripped of textures, light effects and I have to hide everyone from sight. Unless i'm in an instance with a party. Then I get to fight with people in bikinis and boxers).


Seriously, Sparkie, you really need to keep these people with outdated computers in mind. If they are forced to run arc while playing, you will lose them all because they will not be able to play and not because they rage-quit.

EDIT: tried playing the game through arc again, and it works better than the first time (I think it's because I don't have skype running at the moment). Still, Sparkie, just because it can work for me, it doesn't mean you should ignore this issue.

People with older computer will not be able to play the game if they also have arc running in background.

Please, pretty please, KEEP that in mind.

Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver

Questions for Sylen

I'm mostly in peace now with accepting ARC but have some questions for you. Please explain me if you can:

1. Do you think that multi clients will be possible after Arc integration? (this is for me most important question and will affect my game so explain it if you can)

2. Can you explain me more about how security works in Arc. Like for example if you have more games, and acc of one game get compromised, will it in any way affect acc in other games?

3. What you think are 3 top advantages and 3 top disadvantages of Arc

4. Would like your honest opinion is there ANY thing regarding to Arc I should maybe be concerned about?

Thx in advance:)

Selak - Dreamweaver

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Take it easy there pal.

Sylen's been showing facts about Arc and clearing misconceptions. More often than not people are exaggerating about Arc or raging about it without having tried it. Exception to this are those that use older computers/laptops which have all the rights rage.

I'm not a fan of Arc myself but right now it doesn't bother me. I'm no fan of this upcoming change but there might still be ways to dual client and/or use PWI without Arc after this change so keep a little faith.

All I'm trying to say (to everyone), chill a bit. Complains are normal but don't rage too much.....yet :P

Wow you really disappointed me with this post,

Showing facts, some yep. clearing up misconceptions, just No
Highlighting the mostly harmless bits e.g Cookies while down playing or even ignoring the other not so harmless bits e.g. other devices MMMmmmm,
Exaggerating can be the result of a passionate person being ignored once again.
As to trying it, lol have wrote my own frontends for starting 40 different games from the one program when my kids were young enough to need it and it did not contain any targeted advertising either.

What I really do not get is why I and others have no rights to be different from you and the other lovers of computer bling or to express an opinion different from yours, is that because we are just not as smart as you think you all are, if so good luck with that in your future relationships with us less intelligent more emotive peeps.

I have not asked, that Arc not be used for those who want it so bad, just the option not to use it at all if we so choose, and up until this announcement to force its use, there was no problem for me other than if you do not use it you would be punished by not being able to access certain in game items which seems like childish behaviour to me. e.g. you are not going to get that lolly if you do not do what I want. lol

Because I am an early adopted of most new useful tech, I still even have the remains of my old 1 meg Amstrad 80286 with its 4mb isa slot ram board sitting in my back room with 386 boards, chips and ram plus my range of 486 chips, Pentium, P2, P3, P4 prescott which I still use with linux to repair hard drives from my customers windows machines, i even have an scsi cd drive from the days when motherboards and drives only had IDE connections and we had to write the driver for it to get it to work. my current machine is what I listed in a previous post

When it comes to software, then I am just a computer minimalist.
Jeeez whats so hard to understand about that.

Again I will say this in some ways i am grateful they did this and I think I am more worried that they might actually listen and change it so it is optional then the addiction may start again and I will not have as much coin to spend outside the game once again lol.