How do Archers beat sins 1v1?

Eoria - Harshlands

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

b:chuckleYes. Depends on which anti stun you use tho. Some only block stun+will surge, which means you can still be slept and frozen. Then there's others that allow you to still be slowed. Even purify proc allows you to be slept and frozen while its activeb:pleased.

Ummm...no? Anti-stun = immune to all movement debuffs. This means stun/freeze/sleep/slow. And the only case where you'll have puri proc not puri off freeze if it activates is the freeze on a cleric's Seal of God that can't be purified regardless, only resisted by having anti-stun or Faith active beforehand.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Ehh the only way for the 1v1 to be fair is to involve buffs of some sort. Archers have a purge bow so with no buffs their weapon proc has no effect (sin buffs are unpurgeable). Sins have zerk dagger and with no buffs zerk still work just fine.

Whats the point of agreeing to a totally arbitrary rule that just so happens to remove your weapon proc and not theirs? If you want to add idiotic 1-sided rules just add a restriction of no self buffs either so you don't have to worry about tidal / deaden nerves.

The point is moot now in my opinion since now you can use apothecary to give some decent defensive buffs. This helps archers a bit since you can get some defense in 1v1 but it also hurts them because it's a good counter to being purged.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

Oh man the day archers get Tidal and zerk bow with -0.5 interval b:laugh

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Ummm...no? Anti-stun = immune to all movement debuffs. This means stun/freeze/sleep/slow. And the only case where you'll have puri proc not puri off freeze if it activates is the freeze on a cleric's Seal of God that can't be purified regardless, only resisted by having anti-stun or Faith active beforehand.

Not all anti-stuns provide immunity to all movements debuffs, hence the term anti-STUNb:chuckle.

Eoria - Harshlands

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not all anti-stuns provide immunity to all movements debuffs, hence the term anti-STUNb:chuckle.

Please provide examples.

Nuke_Cleric - Sanctuary

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Please provide examples.

Blinding Blaze! but I bet he wasn't thinking of it, lmao.

Don't waste your time Eoria the stubbornness is strong with this one. Never before in my PWI career I heard something like the anti-STUN example he gave and at the same time be so positive about it. b:chuckle

Nuke_Cleric - Sanctuary

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not all anti-stuns provide immunity to all movements debuffs, hence the term anti-STUNb:chuckle.

Probably a victim of Blinding Blaze.

FaceRolI - Sanctuary

fortify?

mainly luck, and the ability to capitalize on it.

RankNine - Momaganon

Pwnallagain - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's what I am saying. The person was saying sin would beat a purge class in a fully buffed 1v1 and I called that dumb lol. Also, if you know how to play your archer right and have some serious luck on your side you could pull out a win or two.

and i call your post dumb, you could be walpurgas brother. read my other post earlier, in a 10 minute 1 vs 1 with such a sin (which i won eventually, oh snap), i didnt manage to purge him a single time. you think we hit a button and BOOM PURGED? its not like that,, especially if your enemy can play (i guess u get purged often, i wonder why.) best part of your statement: "if you have some serious luck, you win" exactly.

im confident to say i know how to play my archer right, i dont need to prove it once again to some lvl 102 forum troll sin.
also posting here about pvp seems to be useless, someone always knows it better.
god, make server versus server already happen. b:dirty

Unholly - Morai

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

b:chuckleYes. Depends on which anti stun you use tho. Some only block stun+will surge, which means you can still be slept and frozen. Then there's others that allow you to still be slowed. Even purify proc allows you to be slept and frozen while its activeb:pleased.

Unless they changed Purify recently it buff will resists sleeps and freeze just as well as it does stuns, pretty damn sure anyway D;

Anti-stun is generally considered to be any skill that gives the vacuity powder buff icon. Most class immune to movement debuff skills will give this buff and so when someone is talking about an anti-stun most people can safely assume that they are talking about this buff. If there is a specific immunity they will normally mention it, especially seeing as most specific immunities are linked to genie skills anyway..... E.g. Forgify, BoC, Will Surge.

At OP: In terms of fighting a sin flying helps a lot because their speed buffs are a lot more effective than yours are and well... leaps.

If you can survive long enough for tidal to drop, Stunning blast may be worth a look at. You could drop it in strait after his shadow jump then leap yourself you will have 7 seconds to DD on him before you need to chain in stunning, aim low.

If you have your 100 skills you might be able to scare him in to burning something by sparking, or using BV when tidal is down and then using chi from awaken to try and execute a kill after whatever he has used wears off. Probably wont work, if he doesnt fall for it you will of spend a lot of chi but might be worth a try.

_omegis_ - Sanctuary

Inb4 stacking Stormrage on someone with anti-stun buff.

Connera - Heavens Tear

Step 1: Spark
Step 2: Fortify + IG
Step 3: Detection pot
Step 4: Kill


That's pretty much how you can kill any class. ijs.

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

Connera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Step 1: Spark
Step 2: Fortify + IG
Step 3: Detection pot
Step 4: Kill


That's pretty much how you can kill any class. ijs.

Counterable by pressing W in the other direction. Best part? Works for any class. Super effective with holy path or leaps!

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Connera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Step 1: Spark
Step 2: Fortify + IG
Step 3: Detection pot
Step 4: Kill


That's pretty much how you can kill any class. ijs.

Yes, and then the sin uses IG 1 sec later and stuns you at the end of your's duration.b:chuckle

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

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DionDagger - Dreamweaver

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

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b:laugh

Pastryplague - Archosaur

So this is a lot less complicated, but doesn't always work. If you get it right, you can usually kill any sin equal to you, at least. My method's a bit weird, so be warned

How I kill sins SOMETIMES:
1. winged blessing as the start timer counts down. I do this cause I'm freaking squishy, and i want to survive the first tp/stun/few hits.
2. Demon spark+claws. So assuming I survive the first few hits cause of winged blessing, and their stun's worn off, I spark, regaining chi and resisting their next few hits. If the sin runs (wierdly that's happened to me a few times) you use ranged and kill him. If they don't run, you have time to equip claws during the spark, and then them with your aps. Usually sins don't have a ton more hp than archers, so you have a chance of killing them without kiting your *** off.

Though usually sins just own me in general, so maybe ignore this

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Pastryplague - Archosaur wrote: »

So this is a lot less complicated, but doesn't always work. If you get it right, you can usually kill any sin equal to you, at least. My method's a bit weird, so be warned

How I kill sins SOMETIMES:
1. winged blessing as the start timer counts down. I do this cause I'm freaking squishy, and i want to survive the first tp/stun/few hits.
2. Demon spark+claws. So assuming I survive the first few hits cause of winged blessing, and their stun's worn off, I spark, regaining chi and resisting their next few hits. If the sin runs (wierdly that's happened to me a few times) you use ranged and kill him. If they don't run, you have time to equip claws during the spark, and then them with your aps. Usually sins don't have a ton more hp than archers, so you have a chance of killing them without kiting your *** off.

Though usually sins just own me in general, so maybe ignore this

I'll be nice as I see you don't have a toon above 100 yet so haven't experienced endgame.

In your point 1 the skill is called Wings of Grace.

If that's a method that works for you in duels vs sins your lvl and gear range then great, although the OP was asking from an endgame PK perspective b:chuckle

Cantabrum - Archosaur

birds should kill fishies but it dont happend alwaysD:

ZooozOOo - Archosaur

Cantabrum - Archosaur wrote: »

birds should kill fishies but it dont happend alwaysD:

sharks eat birds :O b:laugh

FallenNix - Raging Tide

ZooozOOo - Archosaur wrote: »

sharks eat birds :O b:laugh

Only if the bird is dumb enuff to still be standing in the water when a shark is near.

ShawtyStar - Raging Tide

FallenNix - Raging Tide wrote: »

Only if the bird is dumb enuff to still be standing in the water when a shark is near.

Thatd be a seagull for ya b:chuckle

Bhavyy - Raging Tide

FallenNix - Raging Tide wrote: »

Only if the bird is dumb enuff to still be standing in the water when a shark is near.

Oh I see.. Sit in safe zone then?

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Just be same or higher level and you win!
Watch them stealth, stealth yourself, and then hit them with a bloodvow b:laugh
Sins cant use detect pots

tsyfall

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just be same or higher level and you win!
Watch them stealth, stealth yourself, and then hit them with a bloodvow b:laugh
Sins cant use detect pots

Let me correct this for you.

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just be same or higher level and you win!
Watch them stealth, stealth yourself, you have two options b:laugh

a. Stealth detection pot, try to stun or debuff through tidal, get shet on immediately because debuff and CC failed.
b. Stealth detection pot, stun and debuff during no tidal or through tidal, get shet on immediately as sin resists damage and immediately starts CCing your face.

Either you don't know what you're talking about or you're a troll. There's no good, consistent way to beat a sin as an archer besides hitting F1 for VISA instant deposit.

Jesusisback - Raging Tide

GG VISA instant deposit b:laugh

RankNine - Momaganon

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just be same or higher level and you win!
Watch them stealth, stealth yourself, and then hit them with a bloodvow b:laugh
Sins cant use detect pots

step 1: opening forum
step 2: replying to a thread without reading any previous posts or having decent valid knowledge of the matter.
step 3:

Jarkhen - Archosaur

I think this has been made clear multiple times already, but just to reiterate:

An archer is not going to be able to consistently defeat a properly-skilled sin without a gear advantage. End of story.

(Un?)Thankfully, "properly-skilled sin" and "endgame gear" seem almost mutually exclusive on my server, so I don't run into this issue much.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

step 1: opening forum
step 2: replying to a thread without reading any previous posts or having decent valid knowledge of the matter.
step 3:

K/D doesn't matter that much anymore w/ so much gear difference these days.

Low K/D is typical of non R9/R9rr pkers. These individuals are simply outclassed. Whereas freakishly high K/D is typical of people who always have a heavy gear advantage/avoid any decent opponent.


Still it's funny NaturesAir is down there considering she was one of the few people who had full R9 right after 2nd sale. That period of time should have been k/d farming heaven for R9s.

RankNine - Momaganon

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

K/D doesn't matter that much anymore w/ so much gear difference these days.

Low K/D is typical of non R9/R9rr pkers. These individuals are simply outclassed. Whereas freakishly high K/D is typical of people who always have a heavy gear advantage/avoid any decent opponent.


Still it's funny NaturesAir is down there considering she was one of the few people who had full R9 right after 2nd sale. That period of time should have been k/d farming heaven for R9s.

you are right in a few points, but the user above clearly showed a giant lack of experience with his comment. and i know lots of ppl that dont actually use their "gear advantage" to their advantage... :DD