New skill & new pets-upgrades discussion

Desdi - Sanctuary

Ecatomb - Lothranis wrote: »

They aren't
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=19351281&postcount=573

Most of the time it's beetween lvl3 and 6

That's good to know, thanks b:thanks

Desdi - Sanctuary

Guys! The content update is on its way!
I'm happy my speculations were actually right, the content update is happening in June (I speculated June/July) f:victory

I've already put a guide together so I'll post it as soon as the update goes live for those who didn't follow this thread and I'll keep updating that guide with everything new we find out.

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hmm..not sure. DEF levels will play a big role for pets too, it seems, so AA classes may get pretty tanky pets too.

However, I would probably suggest to stay as you are and once the upgrade comes over and we find more details about it as well as get more data for the pets and whatnot, it will be easier for you to decide.

This worries me. My build bases itself alot on raw defences in order to balance damage and survivability. Does this mean that my pets will be considerably weaker than one with less hp and normal defences if it run around with ton of def level gems? (So far the entire update give me the feel of the powerful becoming more powerful while the less powerful stay as they are)

Desdi - Sanctuary

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This worries me. My build bases itself alot on raw defences in order to balance damage and survivability. Does this mean that my pets will be considerably weaker than one with less hp and normal defences if it run around with ton of def level gems? (So far the entire update give me the feel of the powerful becoming more powerful while the less powerful stay as they are)

That's usually the case :< but sadly yes; the pets seem to have higher coefficient for the DEF LVL stat than the defence (both pdef and mdef) stat.

X_volcano_y - Harshlands

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

That's usually the case :< but sadly yes; the pets seem to have higher coefficient for the DEF LVL stat than the defence (both pdef and mdef) stat.

fair cuz there is no legendary skills to multiply the defense levels

Desdi - Sanctuary

X_volcano_y - Harshlands wrote: »

fair cuz there is no legendary skills to multiply the defense levels

Some pets actually get exclusive skills to increase DEF LVL. If I recall correctly one is the Hercules and the other is the Glacial Walker (or the Crystaline Magmite or both).

There are also a few personality skills that increase DEF LVL and/or ATTK LVL by a little so the system does really rely on ATTK/DEF LVL a lot (but of course this upgrade is, after all, a way to increase profits from people wanting to buy the new pets and gear up to get better pets etc.).

Veneir - Dreamweaver

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

and gear up to get better pets etc.).

I thought people geared up to get betters gears e.x
Because of the whole Arc thing going on, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to get the content update to look at the new things when they come out... I haven't really been 'playing' but still like to see the new veno stuff.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Veneir - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I thought people geared up to get betters gears e.x
Because of the whole Arc thing going on, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to get the content update to look at the new things when they come out... I haven't really been 'playing' but still like to see the new veno stuff.

Well, they gear up to gear up but pets being affected by gear = one more reason to gear up plus one more reason to go the ATTK/DEF LVL path or at least get ATTK/DEF LVL shards instead of like..garnets or citrines etc. b:surrender

Veneir - Dreamweaver

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, they gear up to gear up but pets being affected by gear = one more reason to gear up plus one more reason to go the ATTK/DEF LVL path b:surrender is what I meant.

'x3 Meh I suppose it could give some sort of extra inspiration to venos who are still gearing up, 'cause they know they'll get extra stuff, but I don't really think it's any different in comparison to other classes who still need to gear up to put any dents at all in the PvP field of people there are in PWI..... and that's always been the best path anyway OTL I see what you were trying to say but I don't really agree with it.
When Vally's updating his update threads with veno things, do you think we're still going to see the most civil discussion about it here/are you still updating the first post with that, too o-o?

Desdi - Sanctuary

Veneir - Dreamweaver wrote: »

'x3 Meh I suppose it could give some sort of extra inspiration to venos who are still gearing up, 'cause they know they'll get extra stuff, but I don't really think it's any different in comparison to other classes who still need to gear up to put any dents at all in the PvP field of people there are in PWI..... and that's always been the best path anyway OTL I see what you were trying to say but I don't really agree with it.
When Vally's updating his update threads with veno things, do you think we're still going to see the most civil discussion about it here/are you still updating the first post with that, too o-o?

Maybe I'm just confusing my words out of excitement b:laugh but yeah, I know Venomancers gear up to get better defences overall and such; I did so myself but they really really made the system to be ATTK/DEF oriented pointing out to us Venos that G16 Nirvana/R9 and ATTK/DEF shards is the way to go..kinda.

A civil discussion?...hmm I doubt. I think there will be a lot of conflict about the pets and the skills and what's useful, what's useless and all that..but I think we're used to that anyway.

As for this thread; I don't think I'll update much around here anymore (this thread served its purpose and it's time for it to slowly retire) but I've put a little guide together for those who didn't follow this thread and for those you will probably come by the forums looking for answers about this new system. I don't have all the details yet, obviously, but it should be helpful as a start xD I'll keep updating that one as soon as the update goes live and I post it.

Licancura - Archosaur

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Guys! The content update is on its way!
I'm happy my speculations were actually right, the content update is happening in June (I speculated June/July) f:victory

My first thought was, we have to wait until june??? then I realized it's june! So sad to reach this age. b:sad b:cute

Wonderfull news, Desdi, thx!!! b:pleased

I think I'm going to level up a walker because the supreme walker looks like a magmite, and try to get R8. New goals! Cool b:thanks

helovesu

I can not wait any longer to this expansion!!

Veno in my original region is such a way waiting for extinction b:sad

I hope a new pet system as well as the avatar of might will bring veno to be reckoned again.

BungaSakura - Raging Tide

i cant wait to try. i have 3 pets level 100+, herc 102, nic 101 and sawfly 101. I hope the update makes my pet more stronger.

aetherlinesey

Licancura - Archosaur wrote: »

My first thought was, we have to wait until june??? then I realized it's june! So sad to reach this age. b:sad b:cute

Wonderfull news, Desdi, thx!!! b:pleased

I think I'm going to level up a walker because the supreme walker looks like a magmite, and try to get R8. New goals! Cool b:thanks

Y/K I did the same thing, I would bet every pet I own (and I have herc nix and most of the rare pets) that I'm younger then you so dun blame your age. blame the calender

Desdi - Sanctuary

Let's have a party while waiting f:laughf:sneaky

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

I'm still really hoping slaying and warding levels will have some effect on pet stats. I've got a full set of Morai 101 heavy and arcane (except arcane cap) and don't plan on changing that any time soon.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Indeed but we'll find out on the day of the release I suppose. Theoretically it should work though so let's hope it does.

Ecatomb - Lothranis

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Guys! The content update is on its way!
I'm happy my speculations were actually right, the content update is happening in June (I speculated June/July) f:victory

I've already put a guide together so I'll post it as soon as the update goes live for those who didn't follow this thread and I'll keep updating that guide with everything new we find out.

Nice, will be easier to get more data about the new pet skill

Nariin - Dreamweaver

Hm, what about 100+ pets that are not evolvable?

Desdi - Sanctuary

Nariin - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hm, what about 100+ pets that are not evolvable?

They won't get anything special, I assume. Those pets will remain as regular pets. There are way too many tameable monsters out there and you know how Wanmei is; there's no way they would actually try to add an evolution for each one of them. At most they'd give them some set coefficient value, the same for all, and let them have the same look. I doubt this however; I'm pretty sure we'd have had some information on it otherwise.

They chose some of the most popular pets and worked with them. It's quite sad for those Venomancers who like playing with a lot of different pets and kinda sucks for those who have high level pets of those that aren't evolve-able but the majority of the Venomancer playerbase choose the top tier pets and stick with them so changing the whole pet system was probably a waste to them.

I still think it's bad that they limited it to lvl100+ pets but I'm thankful enough that they did something at least.

This update is also a way to market the new legendary pets and make people want to spend money on said pets again since over the past few years the legendary pet sales probably declined since less people were willing to spend money on them.

Pelli - Dreamweaver

For the people saying that their speculations were right, it's not really that hard to predict anymore. I mean, when NW came out, it had already been out for 3 months in China. When Dawn of Spring came out, it had already been out for 3 months in China and the same applies for Rising Call. Most localizations for PWI take about 3 months to prepare and port, give or take.

I'm still glad that I was right in this update coming the week I had predicted it would come out. Yay venos and NW updates

Desdi - Sanctuary

Pelli - Dreamweaver wrote: »

For the people saying that their speculations were right, it's not really that hard to predict anymore. I mean, when NW came out, it had already been out for 3 months in China. When Dawn of Spring came out, it had already been out for 3 months in China and the same applies for Rising Call. Most localizations for PWI take about 3 months to prepare and port, give or take.

I'm still glad that I was right in this update coming the week I had predicted it would come out. Yay venos and NW updates

That's the pattern I follow for my speculations :P

Untamed_pain - Archosaur

well at level 100 + alot of venos don't bother with pets to much anymore. But i will be having fun with new pet skills. and upgrading my nix, herc and hatchling. and maybe level my kowlin and bears lol.

helovesu

Does the Bramble Hood still work at NW?

Desdi - Sanctuary

There haven't been any changes to Bramble yet, at least not in the update we're receiving. I think the nerf was quite recent in PWCN so we shouldn't be getting it o.o

Azura - Lost City

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

There haven't been any changes to Bramble yet, at least not in the update we're receiving. I think the nerf was quite recent in PWCN so we shouldn't be getting it o.o

And even after it's changed, it will still work in nw.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

News post on new veno pets/pet system is up.

Azura - Lost City

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

News post on new veno pets/pet system is up.

I was hoping the event wouldn't have the same schedule as Japan, but oh alas, is the same -.- If they don't change this, I will only be able to go on weekends to this event.

Why did they made this event so early. Almost any normal person is busy in the morning, even kids. This is so stupid.

Veneir - Dreamweaver

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

I was hoping the event wouldn't have the same schedule as Japan, but oh alas, is the same -.- If they don't change this, I will only be able to go on weekends to this event.

Why did they made this event so early. Almost any normal person is busy in the morning, even kids. This is so stupid.

08:00-23:30 being an only-early event...? Am I missing something?
The instance only being available for 2/3rds of the day seems a little silly though, I don't see why it's not just open the whole day.... PWI will be PWI.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

There haven't been any changes to Bramble yet, at least not in the update we're receiving. I think the nerf was quite recent in PWCN so we shouldn't be getting it o.o

Nah it wasn't that recent. It was lowered in PWCN on march 26 and we're being synched up to April 16th.

Here is the new skill description in the patch.

6480 "●Bramble Guard"
Demon version makes chaotic enemies take 30% more damage."
6481 "●Bramble Guard

Range　%d　meters
Mana　%d
Channel　1.0　seconds
Cast　1.0　seconds
Cooldown　1.0　seconds
Weapon　Unarmed, Magic Instruments

Required Cultivation　Aware of the Myriad
Cast a bramble shield of protection on a friendly target. Returns
60% of melee basic physical damage and 25% melee skill physical damage to attackers. Lasts 10 minutes.

The damage reflection effect doesn't affect players in most cases.

Sage version lasts 20 minutes.
"
6490 "○Bramble Guard"
6491 "○Bramble Guard

Range　%d　meters
Mana　%d
Channel　1.0　second
Cast　1.0　second
Cooldown　1.0　second
Weapon　Unarmed, Magic Instruments

Required Cultivation　Aware of the Void
Cast a bramble shield of protection on a friendly target. Returns
60% of melee basic physical damage and 25% of melee skill physical damage to attackers. Lasts 15 minutes.

The damage reflection effect doesn't affect players in most cases.

Demon version returns 75% of damage instead.
"

It seems a little unclear to me how much skill damage demon bramble reflects. It would be lame if it was the same.